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Yes, Halo is the digital representation of the Bible Code.[/sarcasm]

  • 07.13.2006 11:19 AM PDT
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I don't think the Bible Code is real. And I don't think that Halo is near that level of depth. We do know for a fact that it is a biblical allegory.

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Taking Revelations from the bible was probably one their best moves. There truly is no greater epic than revelations and by using this as their story it brings the players closing knowing that they relate to these events.

  • 07.13.2006 11:44 AM PDT

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Isn't unggoy actually a swahili word? I remember hearing that on the HBO forums a year or so ago. Let me check... huh. I can't find it. Anyone else remember hearing that?

I remember that, but I didn't think it was a year ago.
All the races were words from many different languages...

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And in relating the player to what's coming, making that player think of something deeper than a simple videogame. Whether it's the Bible, Mythology, or simple Literature, hiding secrets prompts research. And that leaves us all a little better for it. Bravo Bungie, Bravo.

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And as for "Halo doesn't relate to the Bible", here is a quote from an interview with Chris Butcher, Bungie developer:

Chris Butcher: As far as the story, it can be looked at as a biblical allegory. The parallels are stronger than you probably realise, because nobody outside of Bungie has more than a corner of the big picture. And we only have two corners.
That doesn't make any sense. That would imply that we essentially know how Halo 3 is going to end. Besides, that is one guy from bungie talking. I doubt that the whole company looks at the game as a parallel to the bible.

Furthermore...Chris said "CAN be looked at," meaning that it probably wasn't their intention.

Wow, you are really trying to make yourself believe the story has nothing to do with the Bible. Face it, you're wrong, and it does. Please stop trying to get these threads locked, they're valid and thoughtful threads. If you don't like them, don't read them.
Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm fooling myself. Maybe I'm fooling myself because I think it's silly that a video game has parallels with the bible. I'm not trying to get this thread locked. I'm just posting what I WISH were true. Looks like I can't though, because there's far too much blind faith running amok.

Yeah, so what, you're right, I'm trying to convince myself that it isn't true. Heh. I guess I'm being a hypocrite; always trying to believe the truth, yet in this thread, I deny the truth.

So you explained to me what my own thoughts were. Would you like a cookie or something?

Alot of entertainment connects to the Bible not only games but: Lord of the Rings and The Lion,The Witch, and The Wardrobe!

  • 07.13.2006 2:10 PM PDT

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Not to mention Terminal Man (i think that was the title).
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And if you're going to discredit what Chris Butcher said because "he's one man".... read this:
XE: So just one last random out there question—do you guys read any sort of religious stuff?

Marty:
(Laughs) Well we are religious guys, I think a lot of the religious stuff in Halo comes from Jason Jones, and the imagery is all him and he likes to fit it into the Halo story.


"Well we are religious guys..."
Note: Guy plural

"...a lot of the religious stuff in Halo comes from Jason Jones..."

[Edited on 7/13/2006]

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And as for "Halo doesn't relate to the Bible", here is a quote from an interview with Chris Butcher, Bungie developer:

Chris Butcher: As far as the story, it can be looked at as a biblical allegory. The parallels are stronger than you probably realise, because nobody outside of Bungie has more than a corner of the big picture. And we only have two corners.
That doesn't make any sense. That would imply that we essentially know how Halo 3 is going to end. Besides, that is one guy from bungie talking. I doubt that the whole company looks at the game as a parallel to the bible.

Furthermore...Chris said "CAN be looked at," meaning that it probably wasn't their intention.

Wow, you are really trying to make yourself believe the story has nothing to do with the Bible. Face it, you're wrong, and it does. Please stop trying to get these threads locked, they're valid and thoughtful threads. If you don't like them, don't read them.
Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm fooling myself. Maybe I'm fooling myself because I think it's silly that a video game has parallels with the bible. I'm not trying to get this thread locked. I'm just posting what I WISH were true. Looks like I can't though, because there's far too much blind faith running amok.

Yeah, so what, you're right, I'm trying to convince myself that it isn't true. Heh. I guess I'm being a hypocrite; always trying to believe the truth, yet in this thread, I deny the truth.

So you explained to me what my own thoughts were. Would you like a cookie or something?

Alot of entertainment connects to the Bible not only games but: Lord of the Rings and The Lion,The Witch, and The Wardrobe!
The Matrix ;-)

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Not to mention Terminal Man (i think that was the title).
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And if you're going to discredit what Chris Butcher said because "he's one man".... read this :
XE: So just one last random out there question—do you guys read any sort of religious stuff?

Marty:
(Laughs) Well we are religious guys, I think a lot of the religious stuff in Halo comes from Jason Jones, and the imagery is all him and he likes to fit it into the Halo story.


"Well we are religious guys..."
Note: Guy plural

"...a lot of the religious stuff in Halo comes from Jason Jones..."
I'm guessing this is in response to me.

My post happened quite a long time ago.

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Posted by: Zerodev
Nice work.


Yea if your a nerd...and by that I mean actually doing all the research to put this up....

Well maybe not a nerd...but definitly someone who doesn't have something better to do....

[Edited on 7/13/2006]

  • 07.13.2006 3:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zerodev
Nice work.


Yea if your a nerd...and by that I mean actually doing all the research to put this up....

Well maybe not a nerd...but definitly someone who doesn't have something better to do....

The life of many-a forum-goer.

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Posted by: Zerodev
Nice work.


Yea if your a nerd...and by that I mean actually doing all the research to put this up....

Well maybe not a nerd...but definitly someone who doesn't have something better to do....

Oh trust me, most of us have better stuff to do than post theories like this. We just choose not to do those better things :)

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Oh come on Vitamin just leave... We got evidence and you don't; but that fine. What is not fine is your comeback of IceWeasel being slow (which isn't on topic).

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I like most of it, except for the part about how you said he got 'stronger' at Halo..I think that Bungie stepped away from the more realistic side (That Nylund Depicted), to keep the game fun and flowing..rather than you dying from every stray Plasma bolt that hits you in the head, lol.

Also, "Goy" means a non - Jew, or a Jewish person ignorant to the Jewish Religion..

goy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (goi)
n. Offensive pl. goy·im (goim) or goys
Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.


[Yiddish, from Hebrew gôy, Jew ignorant of the Jewish religion, non-Jew. See gwy in Semitic Roots.]

goy
n : in this sense `Gentile' denotes a Christian as contrasted with a Jew; `goy' is a derogatory word for Christians used by Jews [syn: Gentile, non-Jew]



Yeah, a realized the "goy" thing later, thinking about Ender's Game. Oh well, I'll see what I can do with that. About him getting stronger though, that is even in the books. He even thinks to himself at one point or another "One Elite will be no problem" or something like that, I'll see if I can find it tonight.

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Dude, Halo 3 is just a game. A very kick ass game!

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Oh come on Vitamin just leave... We got evidence and you don't; but that fine. What is not fine is your comeback of IceWeasel being slow (which isn't on topic).
What the hell are you talking about? I admitted that I had a lack of evidence PAGES ago. Somebody else brought up the argument.

OWNED.

  • 07.13.2006 8:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
I like most of it, except for the part about how you said he got 'stronger' at Halo..I think that Bungie stepped away from the more realistic side (That Nylund Depicted), to keep the game fun and flowing..rather than you dying from every stray Plasma bolt that hits you in the head, lol.

Also, "Goy" means a non - Jew, or a Jewish person ignorant to the Jewish Religion..

goy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (goi)
n. Offensive pl. goy·im (goim) or goys
Used as a disparaging term for one who is not a Jew.


[Yiddish, from Hebrew gôy, Jew ignorant of the Jewish religion, non-Jew. See gwy in Semitic Roots.]

goy
n : in this sense `Gentile' denotes a Christian as contrasted with a Jew; `goy' is a derogatory word for Christians used by Jews [syn: Gentile, non-Jew]



Yeah, a realized the "goy" thing later, thinking about Ender's Game. Oh well, I'll see what I can do with that. About him getting stronger though, that is even in the books. He even thinks to himself at one point or another "One Elite will be no problem" or something like that, I'll see if I can find it tonight.
The reason the first Elite he fought was tough, was because the first time they encountered Elites was over REACH..so everythingthey threw at him was unexpected ;-)

Also, it was zero-gee fighting..prettty sloppy.

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<Start Adam Sessler quote> Okay, let me check, my Xbox is white, it has the number 360 on it, <end Adam Sessler quote>and it definately doesn't say "Holy Bible" on it, nor does Halo 3! =D

Stop making references between Halo and the bible. There are similarities, but it's not about the bible. Geeze. Freakin' overly-religous Christian gamers. Go play "Jesus' Big Adventure: The legend of the Demonic Darwin and his evil evolution theories", not Halo.

[Edited on 7/13/2006]

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Posted by: RandyS
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
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Posted by: Pwnocchio
And as for "Halo doesn't relate to the Bible", here is a quote from an interview with Chris Butcher, Bungie developer:

Chris Butcher: As far as the story, it can be looked at as a biblical allegory. The parallels are stronger than you probably realise, because nobody outside of Bungie has more than a corner of the big picture. And we only have two corners.
That doesn't make any sense. That would imply that we essentially know how Halo 3 is going to end. Besides, that is one guy from bungie talking. I doubt that the whole company looks at the game as a parallel to the bible.

Furthermore...Chris said "CAN be looked at," meaning that it probably wasn't their intention.

Wow, you are really trying to make yourself believe the story has nothing to do with the Bible. Face it, you're wrong, and it does. Please stop trying to get these threads locked, they're valid and thoughtful threads. If you don't like them, don't read them.
Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm fooling myself. Maybe I'm fooling myself because I think it's silly that a video game has parallels with the bible. I'm not trying to get this thread locked. I'm just posting what I WISH were true. Looks like I can't though, because there's far too much blind faith running amok.

Yeah, so what, you're right, I'm trying to convince myself that it isn't true. Heh. I guess I'm being a hypocrite; always trying to believe the truth, yet in this thread, I deny the truth.

So you explained to me what my own thoughts were. Would you like a cookie or something?

Alot of entertainment connects to the Bible not only games but: Lord of the Rings and The Lion,The Witch, and The Wardrobe!
The Matrix ;-)


But the difference between Halo and LOTR and Narnia is that LOTR and Narnia were written with those representations and symbolisms on purpose. As a matter of fact, C.S. Lewis and Tolkien were good friends who actually bumped off each other's work. Lewis put the concept of metaphor much heavier in his book series while Tolkien left it to be more subtle.

Bungie simply has written a story in which the plot unfolds in a very coincidental, almost uncanny, way. But can you not also take a very large amount of any other stories and plug most of these coincidents in as well? Mind you, I am in no way trying to shame or disregard this theory or the creator of it (very nicely done, that had to have taken some time) but some of it seems a little stretched. I do however believe Bungie did put in some biblical elements for the intended purpose of a deeper symbolism.

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<Start Adam Sessler quote> Okay, let me check, my Xbox is white, it has the number 360 on it, <end Adam Sessler quote>and it definately doesn't say "Holy Bible" on it, nor does Halo 3! =D

Stop making references between Halo and the bible. There are similarities, but it's not about the bible. Geeze. Freakin' overly-religous Christian gamers. Go play "Jesus' Big Adventure: The legend of the Demonic Darwin and his evil evolution theories", not Halo.

First off, not all of us posting Biblical theories are christian. I don't even believe in religion. That's not the point though. The point is that Chris Butcher confirmed that Halo is a biblical allegory. We continue making these threads off of ideas that spring into our minds about the parallels.

Back on topic... if 343GS was one(or both) of the Two Witnesses in Revelation, and Tartarus was the Beast(which I don't believe) then he should have defeated 343GS. Then the Savior figure(who should be John) should kill the Beast, but here we have the Arbiter filling that position. Plus, the Witnesses are supposed to ascend to Heaven after 3 and a half days, but 343GS is still here.

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I disagree with the part about 343 Guilty Spark. Do you remember the part in Two Betrayals where Cortana has to tell Chief the truth about what the Halo's really do? 343 isn't telling everyone that the Halo's kill everyone, he says that they kill the flood, until Cortana eeks it out of him.

  • 07.14.2006 6:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: Antiacolyte
<Start Adam Sessler quote> Okay, let me check, my Xbox is white, it has the number 360 on it, <end Adam Sessler quote>and it definately doesn't say "Holy Bible" on it, nor does Halo 3! =D

Stop making references between Halo and the bible. There are similarities, but it's not about the bible. Geeze. Freakin' overly-religous Christian gamers. Go play "Jesus' Big Adventure: The legend of the Demonic Darwin and his evil evolution theories", not Halo.

First off, not all of us posting Biblical theories are christian. I don't even believe in religion. That's not the point though. The point is that Chris Butcher confirmed that Halo is a biblical allegory. We continue making these threads off of ideas that spring into our minds about the parallels.

Back on topic... if 343GS was one(or both) of the Two Witnesses in Revelation, and Tartarus was the Beast(which I don't believe) then he should have defeated 343GS. Then the Savior figure(who should be John) should kill the Beast, but here we have the Arbiter filling that position. Plus, the Witnesses are supposed to ascend to Heaven after 3 and a half days, but 343GS is still here.


There's no telling how long the prophets had GS on standby in the Inner Sanctum.

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I suppose that's true. It fits nicely with something I'm working on as well... but it just seems... but still, what role does the Arbiter play then?

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Though they didn't ascend, I think that Keyes and Johnson (especially Johnson because of his regeneration) would be interesting parallels of the witnesses. They both died fighting for their cause.

And as pointed out in a different thread, I think that the Arbiter could be a parallel to the apostle Paul. Maybe a witness himself, as he eventually learned and spoke of the truth.

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The Witnesses may still be the Monitors. 2401PT still fits the bill, at least if Gravemind is the Beast. He could be seen as having been defeated, now that he is in Gravemind's clutches.

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