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He may then be liberated from his position. He could be spending 3 days (metaphorically) in the "grave" only to rise again?

  • 07.14.2006 3:00 PM PDT
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Very true. In that case, does he fill both positions of the Witnesses? If not, who is the other?

  • 07.14.2006 6:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ender
I suppose that's true. It fits nicely with something I'm working on as well... but it just seems... but still, what role does the Arbiter play then?


Holy cow. Yeah, I think I forgot about him. But just a little, I promise. Alright, I'll get to work on him.

And I figured out the Grunt thing. You see, they are ungoy, and the prefix "un" means not. Thus, they are "not goy." Perfect.

And I do think Tartarus defeated 343 GS. I mean, his little hammer thing was the only thing that brought him down at all. Even the big explosion of Alpha Halo didn't hurt him at all. And, of course, he is now floating around because that's what they were supposed to do, come back. As for going to heaven, I'm still not sure on what to consider Heaven here. I've got an idea about Hell, but right now that isn't going quite well. And for right now at least, I'm going with him filling the role of both.

As for him not telling the MC about the whole "the Halo's kill everybody" thing, it wasn't that he was witholding information from him, he wasn't telling the MC because the MC was supposed to know already. On page 257 of The Flood (the cutscene at the start of Two Betrayals), after telling the MC what the Halos do, 343 said, "But you already knew this. I mean, how couldn't you." So, the MC seems to be a special case. Let's look at a regular case: the Heretic Leader. 343 told him all about what the Halos do. Why did he tell them? Because that is his job as a (the) Two Witnesses: to tell people what is really going on. And, just like the Two Witnesses, 343 is from the long forgotten past. Of course, we can't make connection to who the actual Two Witnesses are because we don't actually know, but we are relatively sure that they are someone from the past. Many people even believe the Two Witnesses are the only two people who never died, which does also describe 343.

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  • 07.14.2006 8:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ender
The Witnesses may still be the Monitors. 2401PT still fits the bill, at least if Gravemind is the Beast. He could be seen as having been defeated, now that he is in Gravemind's clutches.

I had this same thought, honestly. The monitors seem like the witnesses to me from the allegorical standpoint.

  • 07.15.2006 8:10 PM PDT
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How about this one:

I believe that by Biblical refferences, that Earth is infact Isreal, and that the actions taking place in the trailor are the end times surrounding Isreal as all the attention will be brought back to it. The power from the north, Outerspace, would venture into Isreal, Earth, in search of something..power perhaps, but they will be judged there.

  • 07.26.2006 12:15 PM PDT
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I just get annoyed with all the "The End is Near" talk. No one knows the day or hour. yes, it wasn't a thread dealing with that, but it's obvious the poster ponders the end of the world a lot to make a thread like this. God does not want us obsessing about the End Times like this, IMO. Too much focus on the future, an not NEAR enough on the presence. In fact, I could make an argument that all this end of the world talk everywhere may be proof it isn't coming soon. Anyone ever thought the "End of the World" stuff may be a tool of Satan to keep people from concentrating on what's important, namely working with people in the now?

  • 07.26.2006 12:30 PM PDT