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Hrmmmm,

div sumvun, tauke ouuttt that blodddy piiaannoooo,

cauusee- I *hic* wannana parrdy wit dat guoooy-----------

*falls onto floor and becomes drunken road kill*

  • 05.17.2004 9:46 PM PDT
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OH!... girls just wanna have fa-un!

*singing in car to an 80's radio station while going 65 mph, tartarus feels what could be described as a slight bump in the road*

  • 05.17.2004 9:51 PM PDT
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*dragged to intensive care...blood is put back into his body and his spleen replaced.....he recovers and finds his way to his car*

**the bad old doctor forgot about designated drivers**

***MS pulls out into traffic ounly to be struck by Tartourus and to be soundly beaten***

****MS is rushed to hospital with the sounds of 80's music ringing in his ears****

  • 05.17.2004 9:54 PM PDT
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*Tartarus arives home, pulls intot the garage, turnes the car off, opens the door and proceeds to walk into the house when he relizes something is wrong*

Sundaaaa Bloooody Sundaaa! Oh crap! What the hell happening to my car?

Edit - Man can I type?

[Edited on 5/17/2004 9:59:45 PM]

  • 05.17.2004 9:58 PM PDT
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*as MS hotwires the car and pulls out, he cant help but wonder what happened to the Car that hit him...*

**As he steals this random car, he flips on the radio....and hears 80's music**

OH MY GOD!!!!

***screech of tires as car races into the night***

*****Pulls into McDonalds*****

******2 Cheeseburgers and 1 Shake later, he sees an all too familiar sillouhette******

Toutarus!!!!!!

To be Continued........

  • 05.17.2004 10:03 PM PDT
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*Tartarus hears a voice calling out his name. He turns and sees some guy withpink milk shake all over his upper lip*

Hey ah, my name isn't Toutarus. Its Tartarus. Anyways what do you want? Where do i know you from? Can't you see I'm busy here robbing this McDonalds.

* A lady stands up and runs out screaming "Ah! We're all going to die!" Tartarus raises gun and shoots her in back. she was the only customer besides Master Shake in Mcdonalds*

So why are you bothering me? And was your strawberry milk shake good?

[Edited on 5/17/2004 10:12:19 PM]

  • 05.17.2004 10:11 PM PDT
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yeah the screens look great I can't wait for this games.

  • 05.17.2004 11:17 PM PDT
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aaahhh, you...... you just ruined a great dialogue between two intellectuals, ohh, btw i want to add something to the communism thing, Marx was indeed almost right, maybe you've (Tartarus) overestamed it a bit but the situation looks a bit to nice, but the reason it didnt work is because of the socialisme that tryed to improve the livingspace for the workers who had so bad in that time, the biggest problem isnt the human nature, the situation you are discribing is only the Dictator fase that leads to a pacifist anarchy, if that would have happend we might have given up our differences, because peace and eqaulity is all we want right?......

to continue the story...

*ApoX interrupts the conversation by telling them to hurry up, he needs his shake now*

*MS and Tartarus ignore him.....*

[Edited on 5/18/2004 4:50:46 AM]

  • 05.18.2004 4:48 AM PDT
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maybe an intellegent topic would help more...

  • 05.18.2004 5:11 AM PDT
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Intellectuals my luminescent butt! For the record: A liberalist is someone who believes that freedom is an intrinsic quality of human nature, whether providedby a creator diety or circumstance. Social contract theorists were the most famous advocates of this doctrine, including John Locke, Hobbes and Rouseau. The united states was founded on a twisted version of John Locke's arguments, deranged in order to account for slavery, which at the time was tolerated.

As another point: Socialism and Democracy are not mutually exclusive, Socialism is an economic system, like capitalism or fuedalism. Communism is a form of government, like democracy or monarchy, they are two distinct types of subject matter.

Furthermore: Marx's analysis account for human nature: He believed you could mold it, based on observations on how people adjust to any given economic system(If you're born into capitalism, you accept it, if you're born into monarchy you accept it). Marx believed that communism was an evolutionary eventuality, because he was optomistic enough to believe people would eventually realize that in general they are not going to be rich, and the wealthy have so much money that if you spread it out over everyone you could vastly improve quality of life for the general population. Marx was a benevolent person, he wanted good for everyone, but for the record communism was never really defined in his papers.

  • 05.18.2004 5:12 AM PDT
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that elite looks odd like its missing armor... any one with me on that you can see to much orange skin thats too werid!

  • 05.18.2004 5:16 AM PDT
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I agree, I like their normal skin color... elites are so neat looking :)

  • 05.18.2004 5:20 AM PDT
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Ok comunision dosn't work better unLESS you have a time machine and can see how many things you need to bye from every single person! Hey cwait a timemachine hasn't been
invented... well comunism suck and probably half of you don't know what it is.... or do you...... all know what it is?......

  • 05.18.2004 6:21 AM PDT
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Communism is a theoretical eventuality according to Marx. He thought that given the way governments have evolved over time, it would eventually come into being, as a society defined by not exploiting its own population. He referred to it as the end of history, in the sense that a small group of people wouldn't be mercilessly manipulating the majority anymore. It was never very well defined, and thus, whether it would "work" or not is completely moot.

In terms of a government working... you'd be surprised what works if the penalty for defying your superiors is death, or worse than death(A lot of people would rather die than be completely humiliated). Things other than american democracy work, some create more benevolent governments(I want the dutch to take over the world, they totally rule!) and some create nightmarish atmospheres that I sincerely doubt anyone in this forum has ever even come near to enduring.

Personally... I don't know what communism in a real form would look like, I doubt many do, it's something that's supposed to come with an enlightenment that may or may not ever happen... The best way to put it is this(Yes, I am a pretentious idiot, thank you): If you're ready to admit you'll never be fabulously rich, you'll never be a movie star, and you'll never really control your own destiny(In the sense you're always dependent on others for your pay and such) then you're ready to start thinking ahead of the current socio-economic system, and may like some of Marx's ideals.

  • 05.18.2004 6:37 AM PDT
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See Nuclear Wolf, you have it all completly right. You have , like i hinted at earlier, identified the root to all of this. Economics.

Socialism is a transitional economic form that comes before pure communism. Yes, this is where you kill people and force them to do things that they don't want to do (if you are really set to go full blown communism), but its just because they don't know any better, right? (That kinda sounds like the slavery arguement) The people have to give up all of their free thoughts and desires so that they can become robots and accept having a dull, boring and meaningless life. Well, I'm sorry human nature will never allow something like this to take place. People are not robots and this could never transpire. Why, Because it takes away all motivation. Even if I were born into a pure communist state, I will never see everyone as equals. People will always try to get more out of life.

What Marx describes may happen at some point in time when we reach a level of technology where everything that everyone needs can be produced for free and supplied to everyone. All of the resources for producing those goods are abundant too. Therefore, no one has more of anything than someone else and no one controls more of something than anyone else. We would all live like kings and queens, but then again, what would we all do with our free time. what would motivate us. Nothing would have value.

All I know is that no where in the world is there a better quality of life than here in the US. It ain't perfect, but communism would have never produced Halo or Halo 2. Creativity only comes from individual free thought.

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  • 05.18.2004 10:14 AM PDT
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You're not completely right, communisme isnt that violent (i have a history test about it tomorrow so i have to get this correct) Marx describes Three fases, the revolution, the Regime, and the *somekind of anarchy*, where you're talking about is the regime, this is needed to defend the community against the rich who wont except the situation and want their Throne back (Russia had Tsaar(dont know the english word, im dutch), and the only way Marx saw to solve this was a though regime which guided the people to victory untill everyone excepted the situation, at that time the regime would go away slowly the no-goverment form would appear, in this everyone is equal in everything, peace and prosperity, people would give up a lot for that, do you want to live in a world where you can be rich but war is poking around the corner?

The fact you cant be religious and no free thinking is a part of the Regime, if this would be allowed the position of the Regime could be doubted, however in the *no-goverment* fase religion is free to believe in and aswell free thoughts. The problem with this world is, we aint perfect, we are to self centered to give up our powers and go to the *no-goverment* fase thats why Communisme failed in Russia and fail in North Korea....

  • 05.18.2004 11:07 AM PDT
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*btw my history test went well....*

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