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Subject: Increase the grenades fuse time?
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There sure is a bit of flaming going on around here. The grenade was good, because it started to detonate when it started to bounce.

  • 07.10.2006 8:50 PM PDT
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Dodging frag nades isn't like dodgin bullets. It ain't like strafing. Like the other guys said, there's no pratical way to dodge a "good grenade" and it's not that hard to throw a "good grenade"

Using grenades and dodging grenades are two different topics.

1.1 grenades take less skill to throw. FACT. Do you know what a fact is? You can actually prove this. Play Halo 2 1.0 then Halo 2 1.1 for proof. This is not up for disscussion. If you disagree, you're just a bad player that need to play Halo 2 more to have a better understading of how Halo 2 play.

Yes, dodging 1.1 nades take more skill but some grenades are IMPOSSIBLE TO DODGE. No matter how good you are at dodging grenades, there's always those grenades that you can't dodge no MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE. For example, stand on a ramp, tell a friend to throw bounce a frag, and see if you can dodge it. 1.1 fuse make it possible to throw "impossible to dodge: grenades.

Now anwser this.

Did 1.0 fuse make grenades useless? and elaborate on your answer.





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  • 07.10.2006 9:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: DSHiSTaH
you can jump, fool! Play Halo 2 before you post, its pretty easy to dodge................... when playing against bad players

  • 07.10.2006 9:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: GarfunkledUrGoat
Posted by: detach614
Posted by: GarfunkledUrGoat
Posted by: GarfunkledUrGoat
First, stop saying "elaborate". Nobody listens to kids like you and it's just plain annoying.

Second, fragmentation grenades take 2-5 seconds to detonate. proof.
So, from the time it takes the MC to pull the pin and throw it, it's not going to have much "sitting" time.

Third, i don't see how adding time makes grenades take more skill. Both 1.0 and 1.1 take timing, it's just different timing.


No

This is just a video game. It's not real life. MC can flip a tank, is that realistic?

You don't see that timing and leading your grenades add to the skill?


Yes. You're a -blam!- retard.
Just because it's a video game doesn't mean it can't be realistic. The idea of having fragmentation grenades sit as long as a plasma is just stupid. If you think you're "0mFgPr0", then why don't you just use plasmas?


What I meant is...

making it realistic doesn't make it better.

  • 07.10.2006 9:04 PM PDT
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give it up
all people like you do is complain about how it's too easy to get kills with this or that or how this i un-fair, have you ever stopped to think, do better players than me also complain about this? and they don't so that means that your a player who just needs to learn, and you don' t need more fuse time, got it, so stop beefing and try to get better

  • 07.10.2006 9:08 PM PDT
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"Why? Because both grenades have their strengths, and their weaknesses. The frag being fast would be a strength."

okay so what are the 1.1 frag nade weaknesses?

"Because, the person getting the grenade thrown at them has a longer time to run away from it. Even if you lead him/her, they can see the grenade, and run in the other direction."

and that's why you got to lead them good.

"You are right, but it also is possible to do that with the current grenades."

Nope. The 1.1 fuse is so short that it is not needed to time and lead. 1.0 was a requiredment.

"I fail to see the connection between your brain noticing the difference between the grenades, and not being good at Halo 2. Could you please elaborate? "

Elaborate on why you made this comment. I posted what the difference between the fuse and this comment made no sense whatsoever.

I already answer you other question.


  • 07.10.2006 9:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gimpy version117
give it up
all people like you do is complain about how it's too easy to get kills with this or that or how this i un-fair, have you ever stopped to think, do better players than me also complain about this? and they don't so that means that your a player who just needs to learn, and you don' t need more fuse time, got it, so stop beefing and try to get better


If you don't have anything to add to the arguement, then leave. No body is forcing you to read anything.

  • 07.10.2006 9:13 PM PDT
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look at your poll buddy....you lose it's final

besides i tried to be a little nice about it
i could have said "0mfg y0ur a N00B!" but i didn't, let's face it, i need practice at halo too, but i don't complain, i realise that better players can doge grenades, and they don't need more time to do it.

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  • 07.10.2006 9:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gimpy version117
look at your poll buddy....you lose it's final


look at the web adress. We're on Bungie.net,

  • 07.10.2006 9:16 PM PDT
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what does that have to do about anything

all i trying to say is that if 80 some % say no then it not a very good idea

besides even in real life grenades tend to ruin your day, pretty much, if you throw a nade near a infantry man it will most likly kill him before he has a chance to move unless he has solid cover to dash behind.

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Posted by: Gimpy version117
what does that have to do about anything

all i trying to say is that if 80 some % say no then it not a very good idea


People on this website are not that good at halo 2. They do not have a good understanding of how halo 2 play.

Their input doesn't really matter. Asking them about Halo 2 is like asking me how to do brain surgery and I'm not a brain sugeron. My input on brain surgery doesn' matter. Get the point.

  • 07.10.2006 9:22 PM PDT
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ok that kinnda insulting, so you mean to say that everyone is a noob but you? well aren't we presumtoius. buddy if you think everyone but you is a noob, then you gotta look around. besides your imput dosen't matter, bungie will never listen to a cocky stuck up noob who thinks he's better than everyone else, so you have effectively lost. so go cry me a river

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  • 07.10.2006 9:25 PM PDT
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Who else voted yes to the idea? Come forward, don't be shy... We might as well have a debate(that gets nowhere, as usual) since this made it to page 5...

Idea suggested isn't "realistic".

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Posted by: Gimpy version117
ok that kinnda insulting, so you mean to say that everyone is a noob but you? well aren't we presumtoius. buddy if you think everyone but you is a noob, then you gotta look around. besides your imput dosen't matter, bungie will never listen to a cocky stuck up noob who thinks he's better than everyone else, so you have effectively lost. so go cry me a river


did i hit a weak spot? must of struck a nerve

  • 07.10.2006 9:30 PM PDT
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you know your a noob when:

1.)you wine for more time to get away from a nade before it explodes
2.)you call everyone else a "noob"

yes i'll be the big person here you did strike a nerve, you hit my nerve that hates (i take that a-hole part back back), one that hates noobs who think they aren't

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  • 07.10.2006 9:31 PM PDT
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So what you're saying is that if they make the grenade fuses longer, the "less good" players will have a harder time and you will start winning? I find that highly unlikely. And if shorter fuses take less skill, then you should have no problem.

  • 07.10.2006 9:32 PM PDT

Lets be honest. This is just a useless excuse for a thread. No we don't want frags to have a longer fuse! We don't want them to bounce more and we don't want stickies to not stick!

  • 07.13.2006 1:12 AM PDT

Wiplash ll7, bow chica bow wow

ye be honest there not going to change little things like tha bt i reckon they will bring in new grenades like the needler granade

this will be packed full of needler ammo and when it exploseds there will be a big explosion where loads of needels stick to people like the gun who is in the radios of the explosion it will be more powerful than the needler and depending how close u r to the impact it could kill u lower ur shiels u just bearly touch u


wot u fink???

  • 07.13.2006 1:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: detach614
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Poll = 2 for Yes, 9 for NO. Im pretty sure that means the Noobified short fuse wins. I guess we cleared that up for you didnt we.


It doesn't change the fact that 1.1 grenades are noobfied. I won that arguement.


Personally I think the 1.1 grenades are perfect. The 0.5 - 1 second detonation after the first bouce is perfect for flushing out people in cover. You add a fuse, and people have time to escape, which defies the point of the nade.


Your question should not be about the fuse time, what it should be about is making the throw distance variable. The trigger is pressure sensitive yes? Then why can we not have a "the more you press the furthur it goes" method? At least then grenades genuinly would not be as easy to use.

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  • 07.13.2006 2:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: detach614
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Your dumb, Frags would be useless if they took longer to detonate.


No you're dumb. Frags would take skill because you have to time your grenades. You're obvisouly a very bad player.


Excuse me but you asked us to voice our opinion we did not ask for yours. Calling people Dumb after they just called you dumb real creative.
Why did you make this poll your live was probably save hundreds of times due to the short fuse. Plus if you want to be realistic the granade would blow up in the air after 1.1 second in the air after throwing it.

  • 07.13.2006 2:08 AM PDT
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Detach
Its bungie choice what happens with grenades, trying to convince these guys old grenades are better.
and plasmas made strong in the 1.1 not weaker and the time doesn't matter
with frags I never noticed it, no major change so it doesn't matter
you lost the poll.
just, stop trying
and stop saying 'elaborate' and 'take the L'

  • 07.13.2006 2:27 AM PDT

Wiplash ll7, bow chica bow wow

exactly and plasma granades ar awsome sheck out all the montages there are out there and what u se its either a no scope head shot or a sticky!

  • 07.13.2006 3:01 AM PDT
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Less self-righteous posturing and ad hominem attacks will keep this thread open and its participants' posting privileges retained.

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No, just no.

Grenades in Halo 2 can explode right next to you without doing much damage because it's alot weaker than before, whereas in Halo it would do massive damage or kill you.

It's not "n00bified". You just suck.


Read the topic. We're talking about nades's instant fuse time. Not the damage it does.




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grenades do not have an instant fuse. they have a fuse. frags are supposed to be like that so you do not have to lead them so much. iwith the plasma grenades long fuse, you have to lead them so far that the victim can notice it and go a different way.

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Posted by: detach614
Dodging frag nades isn't like dodgin bullets. It ain't like strafing. Like the other guys said, there's no pratical way to dodge a "good grenade" and it's not that hard to throw a "good grenade"

Using grenades and dodging grenades are two different topics.

1.1 grenades take less skill to throw. FACT. Do you know what a fact is? You can actually prove this. Play Halo 2 1.0 then Halo 2 1.1 for proof. This is not up for disscussion. If you disagree, you're just a bad player that need to play Halo 2 more to have a better understading of how Halo 2 play.

Yes, dodging 1.1 nades take more skill but some grenades are IMPOSSIBLE TO DODGE. No matter how good you are at dodging grenades, there's always those grenades that you can't dodge no MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE. For example, stand on a ramp, tell a friend to throw bounce a frag, and see if you can dodge it. 1.1 fuse make it possible to throw "impossible to dodge: grenades.

Now anwser this.

Did 1.0 fuse make grenades useless? and elaborate on your answer.





skill is always relative, never a fact.
for example, i bet you $1000000 that i am a lot better at BXB than you, and you are a lot better at sniping than me. ill play you 1v1. first BXBs, then snipers.

and isnt it good that sometimes people cant dodge grenades. if there were a way to dodge every attack, then no one would ever get a kill.

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If you want to complain, get off bungie.net.
Find your long lost, whiney ass, brethren

  • 07.13.2006 4:48 AM PDT