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Subject: Bungie needs to fight Smart Joy Frag, only they can save us
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Hi everyone,
I don't know if you already discussed the Smart Joy Frag Problem, it's a new adapter that allows Mouse and Keyboard Gameplay instead of a Joypad.
We discussed about the possibilities to eliminate this advantage and came to a conclusion:
The Xbox has the ability to check what Controller is connected, if you hook up a non licensed product it get's registered as a Big Pad.
So if we had the possibility in the lobby to check what peripherie everyone is using we could still have competitive Clanwars with Small Pads, because they get registered separately, maybe you've seen it on some config screens, where the picture changes accordingly to the connected Pad.

Bungie has time to implement such a feature and with it they could save us all from the horrible disadvantage that we already had overcome since Q3 for DC.

So if you are a betatester or are in any way in contact with Bungie, please ask them about this issue, because it WILL break the competitive Pad Gaming, if we don't adress the issue before it's too late.

  • 10.03.2004 5:26 AM PDT
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Dude, its over. Theyve already completely finished the game. theyve sent it off, didnt u read the weekly update????

  • 10.03.2004 6:41 AM PDT
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you guys really need to just get over this.

  • 10.03.2004 6:52 AM PDT
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No, it's not, they have to pass final testing, so they still could fix such a little thing, if it's not already in.

  • 10.03.2004 7:02 AM PDT
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I absolutly do agree with you Dan. Bungie should make a patch or something like that to stop that -blam!-

**schieb** ;-)

[Edited on 10/3/2004 8:38:03 AM]

  • 10.03.2004 8:32 AM PDT
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It's not about banning M&K Players, it's about showing them in the lobby.

  • 10.04.2004 4:04 AM PDT

I totally agree with you Recon, but as of late it seems that reason and logic fall on deaf ears in the Underground.

  • 10.04.2004 6:07 AM PDT
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It's not that we don't think that they should have a right to personal preference, we just think that a M/K setup gives a huge advantage game play wise over normal people. Sure, the pros will still be able to make quick work of these M/K players but they will still be one up over the average player. I can understand the comparison to button layout and the argument of preference but there is a pretty hefty difference between what button does what on a controller and the use of a mouse and keyboard. I guess all that I'm trying to say is that I think the M/K setup will augment many otherwise horrible players’ skill levels artificially. This is not something I want. I want everyone to have to work as hard as me to be good.

I'm sure this poorly worded argument will be ripped to shreads in seconds but I must be off. See you.

  • 10.04.2004 7:06 AM PDT
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the true gamer will only engade the game of skill by the proper means of doing so, not by alternative means!!! (skilled gamers play the game properly and only use a joy pad!!!)

  • 10.04.2004 7:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Besides, where does it end? Dukes only? No Mad Catz? Only standard controller configuration (button layout)? They all sound like personal preferences to me and I can't see why one gamer's personal preference should be a join/can't join criteria.


As I said we would end up with Small Pads only in some leagues, because they are checkable. There are a lot of people out there who are against Mouse Aiming on consoles, I personally quitted it after playing Q3 against high skilled players, because I don't see the fun in training 720 Jumps while giving out 8 Headdies on the way. I prefer loosing in UC against some high skilled Padplayer over getting busted by a PC Player in any UT instance any day, simply because I feel that he deserved the frag and didn't got it because of his superior input device.I mean Mouse support is just the start, If you've ever played with a normal 3 button Mouse against a Trackball with Coolie Hat and stuff, you know what I mean.

  • 10.05.2004 6:46 PM PDT
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I do think the mouse/keyboard can give an unfair advantage and it should atleast list it in the lobby. For example, with a mouse you can jack up your sensitivity without losing accuracy and on the controller a player must find a balance between accuracy and aiming speed, that's why ten sensitivity isn't as 1337 as everyone makes it out to be. I'm not saying the m/k thing shouldn't be used, I just think that someone who is average with the mouse/keyboard will have an advantage over someone who is average with the conotroller. Although I know a lot of pros will be able to beat m/kers, but I have a feeling that a master m/ker could out sniper a master controller player (although for pistol duels I'd lean towards the controller). It would be cool if it would show up in the lobby, especially when it's in tournaments and stuff.

  • 10.05.2004 7:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Leviathen
the true gamer will only engade the game of skill by the proper means of doing so, not by alternative means!!! (skilled gamers play the game properly and only use a joy pad!!!)


That depends on what your definition of "True gamer" is.

  • 10.05.2004 7:43 PM PDT
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I've always felt that mouse and keyboard is the best available gaming
control option. I see the Controller as an obstacle to be overcome
however, and will not use a mouse and keyboard, even if it were
available to me. In fact, I would enjoy beating someone who was
using a M&K with a gamepad because it would A.) Show how
good you are, and B) Humiliate your opponent who is using a M&K.

Whining will do nothing to solve your problem, but practicing with
your gamepad will.

  • 10.05.2004 8:12 PM PDT

It is possible to later patch the online game so that it could detect a mouse and keyboard. Just a thought.

  • 10.05.2004 10:16 PM PDT

We’ve watched while the stars burned
Out, and creation played in reverse.
The Universe freezing in half-light.
Once I thought to escape.
To end a master, step out of the
Path of collapse. Escape would make us God.
Yet I cannot help but remember one enigma,
A hybrid, elusive destroyer.
This is the one mystery I have not solved.
The only element unaccounted for.

Am I the only one here that's better with a controller?

  • 10.05.2004 10:24 PM PDT
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No you are not. I have rarely used a keyboard and mouse and I am not very good when I try. I have played consoles my whole life and feel way more comfortable with a controller. Will someone else have an advantage? Probably. Will there be better players than me? Without a doubt (tens of thousands) Will I have the most fun at a video game ever? Hell ya and I think the rankings are cool and all, but it won't stop me from playing the games I like or get my panties in a bunch if I am in the bottom 10 percent of all Halo players. As long as I can compete with my friends and family, that is the only important thing.

  • 10.05.2004 11:22 PM PDT
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Being as how I've played FPS, and other games with a keyboard and mouse for years (since I was what, 4 or 5? I'm 21 now.) I feel more comfortable with it, but I learned the controller as equally quick. In fact, in most cases since I've been playing console games forever it wasn't that hard to adjust to the Xbox controllers, just the number of buttons etc.


Am I going to use a keyboard and mouse setup? No. Why? Because if you guys are sitting here thinking that this combo will make people better, just wait until you kill someone and rub it in their face that you're using a controller. Then see how mad they get ;)

  • 10.06.2004 8:26 AM PDT
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I agree that the ability to see the icons in the lobby would be great, just to satisfy everyone. Would any one be unhappy if bungie were to implement this? I don't think so.

  • 10.06.2004 8:30 AM PDT