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Subject: Captain Keyes Return

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Posted by: MasterShief
John was cloning, too. So ONI can make clone. And maybe every captain, general, Commander etc. (I mean every high-ranking person) has a clone, for the moment when the covenant get into a UNSC ship. A clone who dont know where is the earth. That could be for persons who betrayed the humon to save his own live

Johns clone died very quickly. All 75 spartans were cloned and all suffered from fatal complications.

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John only had a clone so his parents would never knew he jsut suddenly went missing, they cloned him when he was young and gave the clone to the parents

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Yes thats right, but i mean that the ONI "can" clone!

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Posted by: Teh Cubed
You do realise the humans could not perfect cloning? Have you ever read the non action parts of the books?

They could only, albeit very crudely, flash clone humans, which due to certain problems within them, caused them to suffer from many diseases and die very quickly.

Captain Keyes is dead. Sorry.
I hate it when people say this and think it's true.

You know what "Flash Clone" means? It means that the kids were grown within an hour or two, to be returned to the parents' house before they'd normally wake up.

You also do know that this was over 35 years before Halo, correct?

And the fact that there is definately more than one Cloning process, rather than just the one..or they wouldn't add "Flash" in from of "Clone" for Flash Clone.

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Also, whatabout the Flood DNA that gives regenerative abilities to Johnson (it would keep the dying organs in the Clones regrowing)...

we all know that Ackerson is the one who had the Crystal under ONI..and the crystal had directions to Halo, just like the one at Cote D' Azur (sp?)

Spartan-IIIs anyone? Couple that with "Rat Race" in Halo..which seemed like a testing facility (up the ramps, down the tubes) and was built by humans inside the interior of Halo...why would the PoA's crew need this?

Chiron TL34 is also a Spartan Clone Training Facility..you can also hear the Halo's pulse sounding in the background (seperate from the teleporter chargers)..so it's not the one on Mars..
Facility, meaning there are many different ones, and all hae a different purpose, at different locations..


Also, how would the ONI Lieutenant (Haverson) be on the PoA if he wasn't part of the crew.."left overs" from Ackerson's scouting force?

Is his force the same ONI agents that are overseeing the digging up of the Forerunner sturcture in the human planet - Coral?

Why was Johnson going on the same mission that the Spartans were, sent by ONI..why send normal Marines, when you have three Spartans coming in..the whole thing seems staged by some higher-up. Ackerson?

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Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

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Posted by: Teh Cubed
You do realise the humans could not perfect cloning? Have you ever read the non action parts of the books?

They could only, albeit very crudely, flash clone humans, which due to certain problems within them, caused them to suffer from many diseases and die very quickly.

Captain Keyes is dead. Sorry.
I hate it when people say this and think it's true.

You know what "Flash Clone" means? It means that the kids were grown within an hour or two, to be returned to the parents' house before they'd normally wake up.

You also do know that this was over 35 years before Halo, correct?

And the fact that there is definately more than one Cloning process, rather than just the one..or they wouldn't add "Flash" in from of "Clone" for Flash Clone.


They died as well!

The clones would die in less than a monthdue to complications and diseases.

[Edited on 7/11/2006]

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: Teh Cubed
You do realise the humans could not perfect cloning? Have you ever read the non action parts of the books?

They could only, albeit very crudely, flash clone humans, which due to certain problems within them, caused them to suffer from many diseases and die very quickly.

Captain Keyes is dead. Sorry.
I hate it when people say this and think it's true.

You know what "Flash Clone" means? It means that the kids were grown within an hour or two, to be returned to the parents' house before they'd normally wake up.

You also do know that this was over 35 years before Halo, correct?

And the fact that there is definately more than one Cloning process, rather than just the one..or they wouldn't add "Flash" in from of "Clone" for Flash Clone.


They died as well!

The clones would die in less than a monthdue to complications and diseases.
WHat are you talking about? The only cloning perfeormed in Halo so far are the flash clones..so you have no clue what would happen to the Clones that take time to grow.

Read the rest of the post about Ackerson ;-)

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Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

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Posted by: The BS Police
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: Teh Cubed
You do realise the humans could not perfect cloning? Have you ever read the non action parts of the books?

They could only, albeit very crudely, flash clone humans, which due to certain problems within them, caused them to suffer from many diseases and die very quickly.

Captain Keyes is dead. Sorry.
I hate it when people say this and think it's true.

You know what "Flash Clone" means? It means that the kids were grown within an hour or two, to be returned to the parents' house before they'd normally wake up.

You also do know that this was over 35 years before Halo, correct?

And the fact that there is definately more than one Cloning process, rather than just the one..or they wouldn't add "Flash" in from of "Clone" for Flash Clone.


They died as well!

The clones would die in less than a monthdue to complications and diseases.
WHat are you talking about? The only cloning perfeormed in Halo so far are the flash clones..so you have no clue what would happen to the Clones that take time to grow.

Read the rest of the post about Ackerson ;-)


Last time I checked the only form of cloning in the Halo universe is Flash Cloning, which is best used to create replacement ogans for those who are injured.

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Posted by: The BS Police
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: Teh Cubed
You do realise the humans could not perfect cloning? Have you ever read the non action parts of the books?

They could only, albeit very crudely, flash clone humans, which due to certain problems within them, caused them to suffer from many diseases and die very quickly.

Captain Keyes is dead. Sorry.
I hate it when people say this and think it's true.

You know what "Flash Clone" means? It means that the kids were grown within an hour or two, to be returned to the parents' house before they'd normally wake up.

You also do know that this was over 35 years before Halo, correct?

And the fact that there is definately more than one Cloning process, rather than just the one..or they wouldn't add "Flash" in from of "Clone" for Flash Clone.


They died as well!

The clones would die in less than a monthdue to complications and diseases.


Those were the old flash cloning methods.

I'm guessing that there are clones that can last longer than a month. Why build a entire combat training complex for them if they are just going die not long after they were cloned?

[Edited on 7/11/2006]

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Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Posted by: The BS Police
Maybe Captain Keyes is now a part of Gravemind... just like "Regret" and "2401 Penitient Tangent" are!


That is the only way you would see Captain Keyes return.

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Posted by: opogjijijp
Posted by: The BS Police
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: Teh Cubed
You do realise the humans could not perfect cloning? Have you ever read the non action parts of the books?

They could only, albeit very crudely, flash clone humans, which due to certain problems within them, caused them to suffer from many diseases and die very quickly.

Captain Keyes is dead. Sorry.
I hate it when people say this and think it's true.

You know what "Flash Clone" means? It means that the kids were grown within an hour or two, to be returned to the parents' house before they'd normally wake up.

You also do know that this was over 35 years before Halo, correct?

And the fact that there is definately more than one Cloning process, rather than just the one..or they wouldn't add "Flash" in from of "Clone" for Flash Clone.


They died as well!

The clones would die in less than a monthdue to complications and diseases.


Those were the old flash cloning methods.

I'm guessing that there are clones that can last longer than a month. Why build a entire combat training complex for them if they are just going die not long after they were cloned?


This was the cloning method used during the Halo game. The technology could not have been perfected very well as this would most likely have been implemented into either Halo or Halo 2.

But the considering the Ackerson's Clone vs Spartan III theory, you have a good point.

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: Teh Cubed
You do realise the humans could not perfect cloning? Have you ever read the non action parts of the books?

They could only, albeit very crudely, flash clone humans, which due to certain problems within them, caused them to suffer from many diseases and die very quickly.

Captain Keyes is dead. Sorry.
I hate it when people say this and think it's true.

You know what "Flash Clone" means? It means that the kids were grown within an hour or two, to be returned to the parents' house before they'd normally wake up.

You also do know that this was over 35 years before Halo, correct?

And the fact that there is definately more than one Cloning process, rather than just the one..or they wouldn't add "Flash" in from of "Clone" for Flash Clone.


They died as well!

The clones would die in less than a monthdue to complications and diseases.


Those were the old flash cloning methods.

I'm guessing that there are clones that can last longer than a month. Why build a entire combat training complex for them if they are just going die not long after they were cloned?


This was the cloning method used during the Halo game. The technology could not have been perfected very well as this would most likely have been implemented into either Halo or Halo 2.

But the considering the Ackerson's Clone vs Spartan III theory, you have a good point.
Well, that was the type of cloning needed, since they needed the kids back ASAP...we are never told wether they had another form of clothing, or if the Flash Cloning was improved by the time Halo rolled around..

Also, I would assume cloning would be extremely expensive, so no mass producing Marine Clones ( no more human planets..no more trade..no more money.. )

so it's likely we didn't see the Cloned Spartans in Halo 2 since there wasn't enough time to show them, without confusing people..wait till Halo 3 ;-)

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Posted by: RAWPOER95
Have you ever played the original Halo? If you have, do you remember on the level "Keyes" that big blob? It had what looked like a human sticking out of it. The Chief shoved his hand into it's skull after the human part had died. That was Captain Keyes. And if you've ever read the Halo books, you would have read that they can only clone PARTS of a body, not the entire body. If they cloned the entire body it would die soon. Also if there was a Keyes clone it would know everything Keyes knew, and therefore be no help to the Cole Protocol.


They cloned every single spartan and replaced them after they were kidnapped

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Posted by: The BS Police
Maybe Captain Keyes is now a part of Gravemind... just like "Regret" and "2401 Penitient Tangent" are!


That is the only way you would see Captain Keyes return.

WTF!!!YOU QUOTE YOURSELF;

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Posted by: RAWPOER95
Have you ever played the original Halo? If you have, do you remember on the level "Keyes" that big blob? It had what looked like a human sticking out of it. The Chief shoved his hand into it's skull after the human part had died. That was Captain Keyes. And if you've ever read the Halo books, you would have read that they can only clone PARTS of a body, not the entire body. If they cloned the entire body it would die soon. Also if there was a Keyes clone it would know everything Keyes knew, and therefore be no help to the Cole Protocol.


They cloned every single spartan and replaced them after they were kidnapped
He said that..

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Posted by: Al Green
Who is Captain Keyes?


The Captain of Pillar of Autumn from Halo 1!

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Posted by: Al Green
Who is Captain Keyes?


You die now!

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Thinking about the more reasonable side of this arguement.. should Captain Keyes really return? After a whole game without him, do you really think it'd be right for him to come out of nowhere?

I don't think it'd work, Bungie already had a very very well thought out way of bringing Johnson back (actually, wasn't it Mr Nylund?). They can't do that again really.. it'd be to.. "already done".

In my opinion, Captain Keyes has had his day.

Or thinking about it, why the hell would a clone of Keyes have the exact neural implant that he did? With all the correct information for the POA?? WHY?
If the Cole Protocol was in place, I doubt they would have doubles, and I highly doubt that Keyes would be able to retract it from his skull with any ease...

I need Cheehwawa to deny or prove that for me lol.. it's just a thought.

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Posted by: Teh Cubed
Or thinking about it, why the hell would a clone of Keyes have the exact neural implant that he did? With all the correct information for the POA?? WHY?


It mustn't be an EXACT neeural implant but for the self-destroing. When Keyes dies in a fight in the space and the crew must destroy there ship, they can "use" the clone.

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Posted by: Teh Cubed
Thinking about the more reasonable side of this arguement.. should Captain Keyes really return? After a whole game without him, do you really think it'd be right for him to come out of nowhere?

I don't think it'd work, Bungie already had a very very well thought out way of bringing Johnson back (actually, wasn't it Mr Nylund?). They can't do that again really.. it'd be to.. "already done".

In my opinion, Captain Keyes has had his day.

Or thinking about it, why the hell would a clone of Keyes have the exact neural implant that he did? With all the correct information for the POA?? WHY?
If the Cole Protocol was in place, I doubt they would have doubles, and I highly doubt that Keyes would be able to retract it from his skull with any ease...

I need Cheehwawa to deny or prove that for me lol.. it's just a thought.
I would think the real Keyes died on Halo, and if there was a Clone, it would've been elsewhere..possibly kepyt safe in Cryo Sleep till He's needed. He'd have the same memories up until before Halo, but no neural implants.

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If he was jettisoned like the other Cryo Pods.. then he would have died most likely. The Chief only got 3 pods, and only 1 of those 3 survived. Which was Linda.

It would be left in space and probably eventually die somehow. Unless someone came back to the system and picked it up?

Edit - My bad.

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  • 07.11.2006 11:57 AM PDT

Well it would be good. Miranda Keyes has no character at all, she's a non-entity. Bring him back as an AI perhaps.

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Posted by: Teh Cubed
If he was jettisoned like the other Cryo Pods.. then he would have died most likely. The Chief only got 3 pods, and only 1 of those 3 survived. Which was Linda.

It would be left in space and probably eventually die somehow. Unless someone came back to the system and picked it up?
I meant back at Earth or something, where ONI is located..not on the PoA ;-)

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Posted by: MasterShief
Yeah, but we all thought that Johnson is death too, but Bungie had a idea and so johnson survive halo 1. So it can be with keyes, too.
HE escaped off a Pelican, learn to read.

Keyes is dead. no HUMAN VITAL signs detected, he's all Flood at the point where Chief smashed him. His skull and brain matter is either nonexistant or changed by the Flood...either way it was then smashed by the Chief. THEN! Halo exploded into an explosion of 500 Hiroshima bombs(estimated). Over 100 million degrees, as told by Cortana. I doubt Keyes, or the Truth of Reconciliation could survive that. He's dead ok?

Don't bring up the "OMFG KEYS IS LIEK GRAVMIND TOATLY!" either.

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Posted by: MasterShief
Yeah, but we all thought that Johnson is death too, but Bungie had a idea and so johnson survive halo 1. So it can be with keyes, too.
HE escaped off a Pelican, learn to read.

Keyes is dead. no HUMAN VITAL signs detected, he's all Flood at the point where Chief smashed him. His skull and brain matter is either nonexistant or changed by the Flood...either way it was then smashed by the Chief. THEN! Halo exploded into an explosion of 500 Hiroshima bombs(estimated). Over 100 million degrees, as told by Cortana. I doubt Keyes, or the Truth of Reconciliation could survive that. He's dead ok?

Don't bring up the "OMFG KEYS IS LIEK GRAVMIND TOATLY!" either.


Hey, WTF is going with you? We only speak about his ideas and when you dont like it - go away. I meanBungie does not adhere to the book. Linda is still alive in the book, but in the game, they say: He is the last Spartan!"

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