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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
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Actually MLG, youre the one who is trying to make a say in it. You are the one treating it like it should be the storyline, what YOU say. We aren't the ones making our own freaking version of the campaign.

But I will laugh so hard no matter what, if I'm wrong, I 'm going to laugh because no one agreed with you. And I'll still laugh if I'm right.

LOL!
Trying to make a say in it? I was just seeing if anyone else thought those mission ideas would be cool - never said that's how it would go.

People agreed with me (You know, the ones who read the books)

You guys are basically saying "They better not add in more spartans, because I didnt read the books..that will confuse me too much! me, Me, ME!"
Actually, Cheehwawa, we "basically" said that it would be confusing to the 90 PERCENT of the Halo fans if the books made an impact on Halo 3's plot. Which is the truth.
I've seen a few of the anti-spartan people to post in here posting around in SPartan threads, stating "They better not add Spartans, or I will not play the campaign" and things like that, saying that Bungie basically needs to twist their story (which is complete) to suit the ignorant "fans" who are not willing to see changes in the plot.

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The books are the most boring piece of literature i have ever laid eyes on. And its not like i dont read books its just that the only people who would find the books interesting is Halo super fans that are enthralled with story. And would love anything Halo that bungie throws theyre way. Besides by the way some people type its clear they wouldnt be able to read a book in less then a year.

But the point is the books suck some hardcore nuts and if you think other wise its cuz your a fanboy. All my friends read books and they all fell asleep around the 1- 5 page.I know i did.

Instead of reading the books i recommend "The World is Flat" funny and interesting book!

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Why does everyone say "The books should not make an impact on Halo 3"..do you mean the Halo bible, which has influenced everything Halo up until now, and will do so with Halo 3?

You're saying it as if the books are not part of the Halo story.

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Posted by: Jimmy01
This is what I think:

Let them sit in their confusion.

I don't want to not have an awesomely detailed and longer game because they don't know what's been going on, I want things to be resovled and I want a lot of the story to be involved, such as Colonel Ackerson and Dr. Halsey, I also want to see other Spartans (obviously I don't want to play as them, but I want to see some interaction with the Chief as well as the Marines) so things can be as big they can, not just because of Bungie's inituative and creative talent.

The ODSTs were also described as musclebound hardmen almost as tough as Spartans; I recently saw a thread in which the ODSTs should be tougher, as in Halo 2 there is only one instance you get to fight along the ODSTs and they get destroyed easily on Legendary, and these are guys who can rival Spec-Ops Elites.

Who agrees?


I agree about the spartans, but not the ODSTs.

I love the ODSTs, they are by far one of the coolest characters ever thought up. But, they cannot rival an Elite, one of any rank. The master chief can barely rival a minor elite (according to the video games). The ODSTs are freakin sweet, but maybe 3 could bring down an Elite, minor that is.

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I request the following:

1. The thread where Shiska said the books complement the games or somesuch. Dont just give me his post. I need to know the context he said it in.

2. A post, or something in an update, or whatever, that states the games are canon. There are statements that the books are canon. I cant find anything that says the games are.

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Posted by: MissionHill
Actually MLG, youre the one who is trying to make a say in it. You are the one treating it like it should be the storyline, what YOU say. We aren't the ones making our own freaking version of the campaign.

But I will laugh so hard no matter what, if I'm wrong, I 'm going to laugh because no one agreed with you. And I'll still laugh if I'm right.

LOL!
Trying to make a say in it? I was just seeing if anyone else thought those mission ideas would be cool - never said that's how it would go.

People agreed with me (You know, the ones who read the books)

You guys are basically saying "They better not add in more spartans, because I didnt read the books..that will confuse me too much! me, Me, ME!"
Actually, Cheehwawa, we "basically" said that it would be confusing to the 90 PERCENT of the Halo fans if the books made an impact on Halo 3's plot. Which is the truth.
I've seen a few of the anti-spartan people to post in here posting around in SPartan threads, stating "They better not add Spartans, or I will not play the campaign" and things like that, saying that Bungie basically needs to twist their story (which is complete) to suit the ignorant "fans" who are not willing to see changes in the plot.
How does that make us ignorant if we'd rather a game's story be able to explain itself without the help of books that MOST of the people haven't read?

I said it before, I'll say it again: I choose not to read the books because they seem to drag on, the only one I enjoyed was The Fall of Reach. Now why should there be a penalty to those who feel the same? Halo 3 should build upon Halo 2 and Halo 1, not the books.

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Posted by: Baratos
I request the following:

1. The thread where Shiska said the books complement the games or somesuch. Dont just give me his post. I need to know the context he said it in.

2. A post, or something in an update, or whatever, that states the games are canon. There are statements that the books are canon. I cant find anything that says the games are.
The games are canon because Bungie made them. Where have you been?

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I think the next book takes place somewhere before halo 2 and some how the other spartans are gonna get killed off the chief and johnson are gonna survive. The ship they took control of is gonna get destroyed. there gonna make it to earth and halo 2 gonna begin just like in the game with chief and johnson.(so the next book fills in the holes and explains why there are other spartans in the books and not in the game). and docter hasley returns in halo 3. So the books and the game make sense.

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Well, I dont think it really matters now. You say ninety percent of the Halo community hasnt read the books... A heck of a lot of the Halo community is on the Bungie forums, HBO, and other fansites, and they all already know that theres other spartans from arguments just like these.

These forums arent half as clean as the RvB forums... Somebody needs to start locking repetitive threads...

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Personally, I think it's a little foolish and selfish for either side of this debate to think that Bungie should do only what caters to them. I think it's ridiculous to say that you won't play the game if Bungie included Spartans, especially when you don't know the way that they'll include them. It's also foolish to say that Bungie NEEDS to include Spartans, and to hell with people who haven't read the books.

My thing is, Bungie knows how to tell a good story- if they do or do not include Spartans, it will be because it either helps or hurts the story, and ultimately, the game. They will do what they think makes a better game. And if you're not going to play the campaign for ANY reason at all, be it the inclusion or exclusion of Spartans, then why should Bungie care about what you think- you are obviously too selfish to see reason. It's your loss, in my mind.

And as for the books- both the books and the games come from the same source, people. Bungie. Some of the things from the books are NOT included in the games, because there's not enough time to cover them, or they are too confusing, or they are not significant to the overall story. Other things, though, have been in the games AND the books, because they are necessary. Both sides must realize this. Are Spartans one of those things? We'll find out. And if Bungie includes them, they will do so in a non-confusing way, unless they flat out do it wrong.

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The games are canon because Bungie made them. Where have you been?
Well, the books are supported by Bungie, but some people think they arent entirely canon....

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"To hell with people that didn't read the books"? Like I said, I have read much better stuff.

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Posted by: Baratos
1. The thread where Shiska said the books complement the games or somesuch. Dont just give me his post. I need to know the context he said it in.
'

If you are reffering to this quote:

The Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike are official books. Yes, Bungie had say in their writing. Yes, the writers did some of their own work nothing was published without first receiving Bungie's approval.

However, what you fail to realize is that the books act as flavor for the hardcore. Guess what? Out of the millions that have bought and played the second Halo, only a tiny handful have actually READ these books. As such, it'd be unwise to reference the books directly in the game, as the reference would be obscure and misunderstood by the majority of players.

The books enhance the games, not the other way around.

The mistake in your thinking is that Halo 1 doesn't "reference" anything that happened in The Flood. It's the other way around. And, Halo 1 didn't reference anything that happened during Fall of Reach, just as Halo 2 didn't reference anything that happened in First Strike.


It can be found in this thread. If I remember correctly Shishka posted on page 20 something.

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
"To hell with people that didn't read the books"? Like I said, I have read much better stuff.


He said to hell with people that say this: .... and your quote was in that sentence.

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Posted by: Pwnocchio
It's also foolish to say that Bungie NEEDS to include Spartans, and to hell with people who haven't read the books.

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Posted by: opogjijijp
Posted by: Baratos
1. The thread where Shiska said the books complement the games or somesuch. Dont just give me his post. I need to know the context he said it in.
'

If you are reffering to this quote:

The Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike are official books. Yes, Bungie had say in their writing. Yes, the writers did some of their own work nothing was published without first receiving Bungie's approval.

However, what you fail to realize is that the books act as flavor for the hardcore. Guess what? Out of the millions that have bought and played the second Halo, only a tiny handful have actually READ these books. As such, it'd be unwise to reference the books directly in the game, as the reference would be obscure and misunderstood by the majority of players.

The books enhance the games, not the other way around.

The mistake in your thinking is that Halo 1 doesn't "reference" anything that happened in The Flood. It's the other way around. And, Halo 1 didn't reference anything that happened during Fall of Reach, just as Halo 2 didn't reference anything that happened in First Strike.


It can be found in this thread. If I remember correctly Shishka posted on page 20 something.


Thanks for posting that opog, it certainly enhances the discussion. What I hate about that quote is that people are like "See? There won't be Spartans!" (And people will probably start saying that) That quote is just stating that something can't and won't just appear in the games for no reason that is obscure and only in the books. The books enhance the overall story of the games. The books did not come first. The "book fans" need to realize this.

However, that quote is not saying in any way that things will not appear in both the games and the books. If they are important elements in the story, they will appear in both, and be explained properly in both.


And Hellsworld- thanks for clearing that up. I'm not sure how that quote was taken out of context.

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Posted by: HELLSWORLD
Posted by: Pwnocchio
It's also foolish to say that Bungie NEEDS to include Spartans, and to hell with people who haven't read the books.
Right, he was referring to people that haven't read the books...which includes me, because I haven't either...therefore, he might as well be referring to me.

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It's also foolish to say that Bungie NEEDS to include Spartans

AND

It's also foolish to say to hell with people who haven't read the books.

That's how I interpreted it.

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Hahaha, Vitamin, dude- I wasn't saying that at all. Please read the whole sentence. I'm saying it's foolish for people to think "to hell with people who haven't read the books". It's clear as day. Did you read what I said at all?

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Posted by: Pwnocchio
Hahaha, Vitamin, dude- I wasn't saying that at all. Please read the whole sentence. I'm saying it's foolish for people to think "to hell with people who haven't read the books". It's clear as day. Did you read what I said at all?
Damn, I thought YOU were saying it. LOL, sorry man...

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Thanks, oppopjiip. But Halo 2 did reference the books with Sgt. Johnson. So....huh?

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Posted by: Pwnocchio
Posted by: opogjijijp
Posted by: Baratos
1. The thread where Shiska said the books complement the games or somesuch. Dont just give me his post. I need to know the context he said it in.
'

If you are reffering to this quote:

The Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike are official books. Yes, Bungie had say in their writing. Yes, the writers did some of their own work nothing was published without first receiving Bungie's approval.

However, what you fail to realize is that the books act as flavor for the hardcore. Guess what? Out of the millions that have bought and played the second Halo, only a tiny handful have actually READ these books. As such, it'd be unwise to reference the books directly in the game, as the reference would be obscure and misunderstood by the majority of players.

The books enhance the games, not the other way around.

The mistake in your thinking is that Halo 1 doesn't "reference" anything that happened in The Flood. It's the other way around. And, Halo 1 didn't reference anything that happened during Fall of Reach, just as Halo 2 didn't reference anything that happened in First Strike.


It can be found in this thread. If I remember correctly Shishka posted on page 20 something.


Thanks for posting that opog, it certainly enhances the discussion. What I hate about that quote is that people are like "See? There won't be Spartans!" (And people will probably start saying that) That quote is just stating that something can't and won't just appear in the games for no reason that is obscure and only in the books. The books enhance the overall story of the games. The books did not come first. The "book fans" need to realize this.

However, that quote is not saying in any way that things will not appear in both the games and the books. If they are important elements in the story, they will appear in both, and be explained properly in both.


And Hellsworld- thanks for clearing that up. I'm not sure how that quote was taken out of context.


Incase you or anyone else wants it, here is the link to his post. The other link I gave just leads to the thread.

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  • 07.11.2006 6:03 PM PDT

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I have not seen a thread with such passion before. Honestly. What is with everyone calling each other names? Anyways...

I agree with MLG saying that if they can incorporate some of the books lore into cutscenes to further enhance the story more power to them. But, as it was said before, the story is already being implemented to Halo 3. Whatever they decided to put in to the story of the SP mode is done.

In movies you see sequels that have a narrator go back and explain previously untold parts of the story. Great example is watching Firefly then watching Serenity. While this is a game and not a movie, are not the two mediums coming closer together?

By the way, if you think the books are boring, too bad. Bungie signed off on them. They are part of the over arching story. Just because the books don't include someone pulling a trigger every page doesn't make it boring.

I have read the books and don't think I am in a special club that makes me better. I just hate it when people who try to pretend they know the whole story and have only played the two games.

  • 07.11.2006 6:20 PM PDT

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I for one don't. I read the books and thought they were a waste of time.


Heretic!


He will be burned!

  • 07.11.2006 6:23 PM PDT

Constant state of war, of one, with all.

I am just asking people didn't you wonder at the beginning of Halo 2 when you saw Johnson but distinctly remember him dying in the first game? The book gives a partial explaination. Mediums of entertainment are coming closer everyday. Movies and games are a big thing. Why can't a game company expand the story it has created in a game with books? I don't think people like that.

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