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The Witty Introduction

So why are here today? Well, we have been told by Chris Butcher in an interview that Halo’s story can be taken as a Biblical allegory. Don’t believe me? I never really had much insight into this topic, but recently I’ve become more interested. Then a few key points just hit me just before I fell asleep a couple months ago. Since that time, I’ve researched this much more and jumped head-first into this theory. It’s my first major theory, so enjoy it, criticize it, whatever. Just please, the one thing I don’t want to hear is: “It’s only a game.” Also, let’s not argue over religion, okay? I’m not Christian, nor even religious, but I do notice parallels. If we keep this discussion strictly to the theory and story, we won’t get off-topic and locked. Shall we begin?

Oh, and please don’t post until all the sections are up, thanks.

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The Watchers and the Jjaro

Some of you may know this, but others who are newer will not, but Eagle 117 once had a theory about the relation between the Forerunner and The Watchers from the Book of Enoch. He suggested that the Forerunner were divided into disputing factions and that one faction "fell" by aiding mankind while the other sought to stay out of our business. The Forerunner we know would have represented both the remaining Watchers in heaven and God because they created the Halos to wipe the galaxy clean of the Flood (or Sin). The Halos were also designed partly to rid the galaxy of the Jjaro's influence. It would be beneficial to read Eagle’s original theory over at the HBO forums HERE. In that thread, be sure to also read Eric Trautmann’s responses. If you didn’t know, Trautmann is the maintainer of the Halo Story Bible. Trautmann is to Halo as Kirkpatrick is to Marathon. Because I love Marathon so much, I have named the Forerunner faction that helped us, the Jjaro. Trautmann, after nudging from Eagle, listed the Forerunners in the list of “chill”, but was still rather vague in saying what was right and wrong. So I am basing the Jjaro part of the theory on the assumption Eagle was partly correct. If he was wrong, then this part is wrong, but the other parts are basically unrelated.

Here’s a brief overview of the Book of Enoch and the story of the Watchers in relation to Halo:

And these are the names of their leaders: Sêmîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These are their chiefs of tens.
Bezaliel is the twentieth who is often left unmentioned because of damaged text. I believe that Samyaza was the leading figure of the Jjaro (although later, he becomes less important as Azazel assumes his role). He led the 199 others to Earth. They were split into twenty units of ten each with a respective leader.

And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells [the Ethiopian text gives 300 cubits (135 meters), which is probably a corruption of 30 cubits (13.5 meters)]: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood.
This is in reference to the Nephilim, the product of the Watchers fornicating with human women. Suppose that the Jjaro weren't much different than humans and were... let's say... compatible. They would have had children that weren't exactly human and weren't exactly Jjaro. Perhaps they bred a new race that was slightly larger and possessed a gene that separated them from other races. Eagle suggested that perhaps these were the Spartans. It is a possibility. We know that the Spartans were chosen by Dr. Halsey based on a certain gene they each possessed. I, however, am more inclined to believe that Spartans do not represent the Nephilim, but are more analogous to the “good” angels.

And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl, taught astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Ezêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon.
Azazel taught them about war and the weapons with which to wage it. He showed them precious metals and taught decoration and vanity. Samyaza taught exorcisms (psychology?) and medicine. Armaros taught them magic and spells (perhaps slightly advanced technology). Baraqel taught astrology or divination (maybe this was some sort of prediction tool?). Kokabiel taught astronomy. Chazaqiel (Êzêqêêl) taught meteorology. I can't really speculate on what exactly Araqiel (Hm... have we seen this name before?) or Shamsiel taught. Sariel may have taught an understanding of the solar system. These Jjaro leaders "corrupted" humanity in the eyes of the Forerunner.

Another thought I had revolved around the creation of humanity. Although I believe that humanity evolved in the Halo universe, this seemed interesting. What if the Forerunners created humanity as "clones" of themselves for some science experiment? That would effectively have mirrored God's creation of Adam in his image. The Jjaro split off from the Forerunner because they differed in beliefs over how to continue the science experiment (help the struggling humans or let them evolve in due time). In fact, the Forerunner could have created life on Earth and just let humanity evolve. That, however, isn’t important to this theory. The point is that the Forerunner and the Jjaro differed in their beliefs on how to deal with humanity.

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Noah and the Halos

Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spoke, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.
So Uriel is sent to warn Noah of the Flood that is about to destroy humanity. The Forerunners send down one individual to warn a human (or even humanity in general) that the Halos are about to be activated. One theory I believe holds weight is by opogjijijp. He points out that the banner for the Library Forum says: “A collection of cloned DNA sequences whose location and identity can be established by mapping the genome of a particular organism.” Most likely, this is referring to the Library in-game. DNA of each species of animal, including humans, could be stored in the Halos and preserved for after the Halos fired, thus acting as Noah’s Ark.

As a side-note, there was a recent theory by HaloFighter92 which I’ll mention. He noticed that 343GS and 2401PT are blue and red, respectively. There are seven Halos, presumably each with its own monitor. HaloFighter believed that each monitor had a specific color that corresponded to one in the rainbow. I find this significant in that God promised Noah to never unleash a Flood upon mankind again. This was symbolized with a rainbow. It is just speculation, but still a very nice theory.

What bothered me for some time was how exactly the Jjaro gene would have survived to present times. Thanks to eMcee, there might be a solution. He gave this proposal that I will quote word for word because my description would be lacking:

If Flood is Sin and Earth is consumed, whoever is infected is hopeless. Biblicaly,N oah was chosen because he was free of Sin (Flood, in Halo's case). This survivor or small group of survivors made it to the Ark, but the rest of Humanity did not. This small group of Survivors would play a big role in the return of humanity, but may not have had enough genetic diversity. The Forerunner grieved for the loss of Humanity so much that they kept the Flood for study, extracting the Human DNA from the parasite to ressurect the human race. (343GS: The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce) The Guardian Gene persisted after the Forerunner completed their studies, allowing for the discovery of the Guardian Genetic Map and subsequent Spartan Project.

The big problem with this solution is the fact that, allegorically, the Forerunner would have frowned upon the crossbreeding of the Guardians with the Humans. Perhaps the Forerunner found it neccessary to leave the gene intact for Reclamation purposes, leaving the creation of more Guardians up to humanity.

I agreed that the Forerunners would have disliked the idea of keeping the Jjaro(Guardian) gene around. It does make some sense, however. The Halos may need to be activated again at some point in the future. The Forerunners would have designed it so that only they could activate the Halos. If they were gone from our galaxy, who is left to activate the Halos? Only those that had this distinctive gene. Now, one might argue, why bother keeping around the gene if you could easily just store your DNA and come back? I think the obvious answer to that question is that the Forerunners aren’t dead. There are two quotes which may be applicable here. The first is in Halo 2 when 343 Guilty Spark is explaining what the rings do to Tartarus and the second is a quote from Joseph Staten in an interview with HBO.

After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life in three radii of the galactic center, died ...as planned.
HSP: The Forerunner inhabit another galaxy.
JS: Well they don't inhabit ours - which is to say something with the power and reach of the Covenant would certainly have found them by now if they did.

The key words in the first quote are: “in three radii of the galactic center”. It doesn’t mention anything about Forerunner that would exist outside that three radii limit. Were there any? We can’t say for sure one way or another. Joseph Staten also leaves the possibility open. When asked if they do inhabit another galaxy, he remained rather mysterious and simply noted that they are not in ours. They may live in another galaxy, they may be in some slipspace hibernation, who knows.

So then the real question is, why don’t they come back to help take care of the Flood? Once again, I think this goes back to the Noah situation when they decided to never activate the Halos again. They may not have known the Flood survived until the Halos were almost activated. They may even be on their way back as the Army of Heaven to fight the Flood. A likely solution is that the Forerunner don’t matter anymore because the Angel metaphor has been transferred to the Spartans (and possibly the Elites) because they are clad in technology derived from the Forerunner.

[Edited on 7/12/2006]

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Azazel and the Abyss

the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl (God’s Kettle/Crucible/Cauldron), and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. And on the day of the great judgment he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to him ascribe all sin.
Azazel was imprisoned and locked away in Dudael, also known as the Abyss. He is blamed for bringing the evils to the world and for corrupting humanity.

This reminded me of the Whisper in the Storm audio:

I have walked among men and angels for three thousand years. Time has no end... no beginning... no purpose.

I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God and man.

I live to see death, destruction, over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished.

I live in a prison of my own demise.

I am lost in time...

I also noticed an uncanny resemblance between the Whisper in the Storm audio and this passage from the book of Enoch:

And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.
The Nephilim are part Angel and part Man, so they would “walk” among both. After their bodies were destroyed, their spirits lived on trapped on Earth. They are most likely metaphorically “wandering” in the form of passed on genetic material. Their sins are their very existence and they live only to see Judgment.

At this point, Gabriel tells God to use all of the Fallen Watchers as an example, not just Azazel. Imprison them, and wipe out their children in war. God instructs Michael:

And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjâzâ and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. 12. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgment and of their consummation, till the judgment that is for ever and ever is consummated. 13. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: 〈and〉 to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations.
So, all of the Jjaro are captured at this point while their children with the gene are destroying themselves in war. After seventy generations on Earth, they are to be judged. At this point, they were all supposed to be trapped in the Abyss. Where is the Abyss? Most likely, the Abyss is the collection of seven Halos. After the Halos’ activation, the Flood starved to death, but some were contained on the Halos in storage, awaiting their freedom. That sounds an awful lot like the Fallen Angels trapped awaiting the opening of the Abyss. What happens to the Fallen Angels in Halo then?

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The Prediction

The Abyss is supposed to be opened again by an angel in the end times. The Fallen Angels will be released onto the world and will be led by a powerful angel known as Abaddon, or Apollyon. This all takes place during the Fifth Trumpet in Chapter 9 of the Book of Revelation as seen here:

1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. 3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.
7 The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. 8 They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle. 10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

The description of the locusts, or Fallen Angels, in this passage reminds me of the Flood, specifically the Combat Forms. Massive amounts of grotesque and horrific creatures tormenting humanity could describe both the release of the Fallen Angels and the Flood. An intriguing possibility is that the Combat Forms are not the representations of Fallen Angels. Who would be? I’m thinking the Spartan III group. We know little about the group, indeed, we’re not sure if it is a group. Our only inkling was the S-III file in Ackerson’s computer on Reach and the reference to CPOMZ, most likely CPO Mendez who left in 2525 to train another group of Spartans. opogjijijp and I, mainly opog, speculated that the Spartan III soldiers could be genetically spliced with Flood DNA to give them incredible powers of healing and strength. These creations could also be equivalent to the Fallen Angels in Revelation.

At some point, an angel comes from Heaven holding a key to the Abyss and opens it. There are a few events that fit this description in Halo. The first of which would be the outbreak on Installation 04. Another would be the release of the Flood from the Containment Zone on Installation 05. Yet another possibility is that this event has not happened so far in the series, which I am inclined to believe. I think Halo 2 leaves off just as the Flood are about to make their way to Earth and wreak havoc, mirroring the opening of the Abyss. Eventually, the Flood will be defeated and their leader destroyed by the Savior figure (most likely John). I think we can expect a good deal of action from Halo 3. I intend to delve into Revelation more in-depth in another theory, but until then, see you starside!

  • 07.11.2006 9:06 PM PDT
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The Special Thanks

I want it to be known that this is in no way entirely my idea and work. The original idea came from an age-old thread by Eagle 117 and I had a lot of help and advice from friends. I tried to make sure everyone received due credit throughout the theory. In case I missed anyone, I want to thank: Eagle 117, opogjijijp, eMcee, HaloFighter92, Sakka, and IceWeasel.

Bibliography

There are a few websites I used that could be used for further study:

http://www.biblegateway.com (with searchable Bibles)
http://reluctant-messenger.com/book_of_enoch.htm (multiple translations)
http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/demons.htm
http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/gen6sons.htm
http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/azazel.htm
http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/abaddon.htm

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Excellent work Ender. That was a great read.

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  • 07.11.2006 9:24 PM PDT

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I may have missed this, but in your prediction you spoke of the fallen angels being lead by abbadon/apollyon. Are you aware that those words mean "Destroyer"?

This totally works out!
You are familiar with the Whisper in the Storm audio. Turns out the title of that song is really called "Destroyer's Invocation".

*shakes head*

I can't believe I didn't see that.

Great read.

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its just a game get over yourslef and your dumb group. which i happen to be a memeber of.

this game shouldnt be your life. ther is some biblical references thats it. jason jones created this story to have some biblical meaning. but not for groupies like you guys to worship it and find every little detail in it that has to do with parallels. its not that deep.

  • 07.11.2006 9:30 PM PDT

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We don't worship it, but it is quite deep. If you don't like it, you are entitled to your opinion.
Jones did in fact say that the game is deeper than you think.

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Very interesting and very well written...Good job (Y)

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Posted by: IceWeasel
I may have missed this, but in your prediction you spoke of the fallen angels being lead by abbadon/apollyon. Are you aware that those words mean "Destroyer"?

This totally works out!
You are familiar with the Whisper in the Storm audio. Turns out the title of that song is really called "Destroyer's Invocation".

*shakes head*

I can't believe I didn't see that.

Great read.

I am aware that Abaddon and Apollyon both mean Destroyer. What I didn't know was that the Whisper in the Storm audio was known as Destroyer's Invocation. Is this official? Did we get this from Marty in that series of questions from a few months ago and I just missed it? If it is official, that leaves open some interesting possibilities and only strengthens my resolve to connect Gravemind with the Destroyer.

  • 07.12.2006 11:32 AM PDT

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It is indeed official.
Halo 2 Volume 2 soundtrack is broken up into "suites"
*grabs jewel case*

"Destroyer's Invocation" is the first song under the "Mausoleum Suite".

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Nice read. Im going to have to read or take a glance at the dictionary now.

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u guys are amazing and actually i want 2 congradulate Iceweasel more becuase a while back he created a thread on this and was the first and best one ive seen so fare but this is also very in depth and just wanna say job well done 2 u both.

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I don't recall IceWeasel doing one about the Book of Enoch. IceWeasel, have you been holding out on us? I recall Eagle 117's theory on this, from which I got my inspiration. I can dig up the links for you, but I have the HBO one of his in the theory at the top.

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Wow, that was interesting. Good job though dude that must have been a lot of typing!

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The typing wasn't that bad since I did it all in Word, just adding in the Text Markup Tags. Does anyone have any thoughts on why the Forerunner would have left the Jjaro gene around for Reclaimers? The explanation I put in the theory sort of fits, but it could be better, especially if the Spartans now represent Angels.

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I've been around these parts for almost eight years now...wow! Maybe I should be concerned about that...

Once again, another great theory from one of B.net's best theorists...I've always been interested in your theories about the Book of Enoch. Keep it up :-)

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  • 07.12.2006 12:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ender
I don't recall IceWeasel doing one about the Book of Enoch. IceWeasel, have you been holding out on us? I recall Eagle 117's theory on this, from which I got my inspiration. I can dig up the links for you, but I have the HBO one of his in the theory at the top.

True, I've never done anything on Enoch. I barely skimmed over the book.

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The Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees seem to cover similar material. From what I have read, however, Enoch is more descriptive and specific. I would highly recommend that everyone who reads this theory check out the original theory by Eagle 117 which I have linked to in the introduction. It contains a good starting point for the concept.

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A good theory and a good read.Well done.

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Technically, the Spartans aren't genetically engineered from birth the be super-soldiers. They have been given augmentations, but the genes they were tested for were there from birth and were not a result of UNSC meddling. As for the Ark of the Covenant, I intend to cover that in a different theory. By "that Ethiopian stuff" are you referring to the Ethiopian translations of the Book of Enoch I mentioned?

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So does this mean that the Spartans are the Nephilim? :o

The Bible does say, "As it was in the days of Noah, so too will it be when the second coming of Christ comes." That is not an exact quote, but it is close. I'm pulling it from memory. So if the Nephilim were on the earth before the first flood, and now the Nephilim exist again now at the world's end?

[Edited on 7/13/2006]

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