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Sorry, my mistake. Romans 6:23. :: hits forehead ::

  • 07.13.2006 12:56 PM PDT
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All that really says is that the result of giving in to sin (being infected by the Flood) is that you will die. I don't see how one would get Gravemind from that.

  • 07.13.2006 4:49 PM PDT
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uh... ender looks like you are bumping a threat

  • 07.13.2006 4:53 PM PDT
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Hm? I don't know what you mean.

  • 07.13.2006 6:39 PM PDT
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Well, I agree with the first post, that is actually a really good connection, nice job on that. The part I still disagree on, though, is this.

EDIT: Oh, we've talked about this already, I think. Well, I think this is new, but whatever, don't worry about it if you don't want.

Posted by: Ender
Sin itself is not death. Death may be the result of sin, but they are not quite the same in reference to Revelation. He fills the role of the Beast, the Antichrist, much nicer. Plus, I believe Azazel (one of the Fallen Angels) to be Abaddon. All sin was ascribed to Azazel, thereby making him a "monument" to all our sins.


First, I just gotta make sure about one thing: when you say ascribed, do you mean that it is because of him, sort of? Well, I'm not sure quite how to put it. Basically, what I'm getting from this is that sin is his fault, at least in a sense. If that is wrong, then don't bother with the rest of this, just tell me that's wrong.

Anyway, on to the rest. If sin is his fault, would he be a monument to it? It's kind of like this: the pharoahs built the pyramids (aka the pyramids are thier fault), so the pyramids are a monument to the pharoahs (well, that's a bit of a simplification, but I think you know what I mean). However, what you seem to be saying is that sin is Azazel's fault, so he is a monument to sin. But that doesn't work. The only way Gravemind could be a monument to sin is if he came about because of sin. And, as Goodgamer77 pointed out earlier, "the wages of sin is death," meaning that death is because of sin, making it a monument to sin.

On a side note, somebody here is named chiefkiller? Hm, I don't think that sounds good...and I don't know what he means either.

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  • 07.13.2006 7:36 PM PDT
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Azazel was considered the cause of sin, yes, but he was also imprisoned and held as an example of what would happen if you gave in to sin. It is the second part that makes him the monument.

  • 07.13.2006 8:59 PM PDT
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Hm, eye sea.

Of course, we could always think about those posts in our group with the wierd symbols that I don't understand, possibly put it as both. I dunno, I'll try that then.

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  • 07.13.2006 9:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ender
Azazel was considered the cause of sin, yes, but he was also imprisoned and held as an example of what would happen if you gave in to sin. It is the second part that makes him the monument.


You know, I had a Doctrines class last semester, and got into an interesting discussion with my professor about this very topic. If you do not consider the Apocrypha canon, then the source of sin is a very complex issue. God is holy, and therfore cannot create that which is evil. However, when God created man, and gave him the power of choice, sin was then created to bring glory to God. After all, if everything was perfect, then God doesn't have the glory. With nothing to compare Him to, He doesn't have the same kind of glory. Just a thought.

  • 07.14.2006 7:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: EvilKitty
7 is a holy number, the number of perfection. 6 is unholy, imperfection.

There's a reason behind the numbers...


If that is the case we only have 6 working Halo rings now.

  • 07.14.2006 8:31 AM PDT
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7 could indicate used by god (forerunner) but six by the sinners (covenant). I wonder if they'd even work with 6? Maybe that will be the failure. Truth will actually initiate the countdown, and nothing happens because without 7, they are not complete.

  • 07.14.2006 8:38 AM PDT
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To play or not to play....

Even if the rings did fire a large portion of the Galaxy would not be effected. Being the kill zone of the destroyed Halo ring.

  • 07.14.2006 8:40 AM PDT

I'll have you know
that I've become
Indestructible!

A large portion, sure. But only relatively speaking.
Last I checked, 6 of 7 rings still work.

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In the bookj of revelations, there is also mention of (i think) 4 horseriders, each of wich represent a different type of evil (war,plage, etc) Do you think that thare could also be a conecction to thins in Halo 3?

  • 07.14.2006 9:53 AM PDT
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Um. the trumpets have always been there. think about it can the violins do all that? i love martys music and i listen to it all the time....it might be my mistake but i think the trumpets were always there.

  • 07.14.2006 10:12 AM PDT
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Hmm...4 horsemen. Well I think that, like in the book of Revelation, they may not be people (except for the Antichrist). The horseman of War is obviously connected to the Human-Covenant war, Pestilence is sickness, so that could easily signify the parasite of the Flood, and Death could be (though I'm slowly turning from this opinion) Gravemind or just death. Opinions?

  • 07.14.2006 10:13 AM PDT
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The Second Seal is likely the Human-Covenant War, the Third Seal could be the Flood being released on Installation 04, and the Fourth Seal is probably just death but not actually Gravemind.

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NOO! Please, god no! Now we are linking the music of Halo 3 to the bible! Why GOD WHY!?!?!?!?

But seriously, the only reason there is trumpets is becuase Marty wanted to make the game have a more epic theme, and trumpets are great at bringing up a climax to a song. Please, can we just stop with all this nonsense. More than 4/5 of the stories on the planet can be referenced to the bible in some way, Halo is no different.

  • 07.14.2006 2:28 PM PDT
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Nothing personal...

Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
NOO! Please, god no! Now we are linking the music of Halo 3 to the bible! Why GOD WHY!?!?!?!?

But seriously, the only reason there is trumpets is becuase Marty wanted to make the game have a more epic theme, and trumpets are great at bringing up a climax to a song. Please, can we just stop with all this nonsense. More than 4/5 of the stories on the planet can be referenced to the bible in some way, Halo is no different.

Thaaaank you.

  • 07.14.2006 2:55 PM PDT
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If 80% of stories in the world can be referenced to the Bible, then why is it unusual for a few people to discuss the Bible in relation to the most popular FPS in the past 10 years?

  • 07.14.2006 2:58 PM PDT
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It isnt, but its anoying that there are so many topics in the Halo 3 forum about it. Sure, why not make a group to discuss it in depth, or your won forum? Discussing it here just clutters things with really useless connections.

If you want, you could have a group that releases a collective findings thread every week in the Halo 3 forum. Which would be much neater.

  • 07.14.2006 3:01 PM PDT
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Ah, but we don't all agree on what connections we see. Musical symbolism isn't unusual. I have seen it in many plays and movies. I could easily see it in a game, especially with Marty's talents.

  • 07.14.2006 6:47 PM PDT
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You have an interesting Hypothesis. As well as some interesting connections between the bible and Halo.

However, I am not sure if there is so much meaning in something as simple as Marty deciding to add trumpets for the feel, the sound, and setting.

Hopefully Bungie will reveal such details in the future.
I would love to see the genius that has been put forth into this game.

  • 07.14.2006 6:53 PM PDT

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