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Posted by: Titan Alumn
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very well done. if you ever read the book Enders Game by Orson Scott Card, my theory is that the flood work like the enemies in that book. if you destroy the master (Gravemind=bugger queen), the rest will fall. (flood=bugger drones)


Although I never read Enders Game, the premise along with that of Halo's seem more similar to Starship Troopers than the Bible.

Well, from a scale of 1 - 10 (10=highest), how would you rate your knowledge of starship troopers?
How about the Bible?

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Well, the only reason the drones would die if the Hive Queen was killed was because they had no aiua, or "soul" and were completely dependant on the instructions of the Hive Queen to function. The Flood at least exhibit some form of personality. Recall that Jenkins contained a minute form of his personality because of a defect in the infection form. He recalled that the Infection Form itself had a sort of personality that was trying to control him. They are not totally dependant on Gravemind, unlike the Formics.

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Starship Troopers 7ish

Bible 9ish

  • 07.12.2006 4:13 PM PDT
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And which Starship Troopers? Because the movie was horrible compared to the original book.

  • 07.12.2006 4:15 PM PDT

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Really?
9ish?

You can recall 90% of the texts of the Bible and form an exegetical analysis of it?
I'm impressed.

I bet you are also almost fluent in greek and ancient Hebrew, too.

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Let's not get into a technical argument over theology now, guys.

  • 07.12.2006 4:16 PM PDT

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This isn't theology, this is knowledge of a book.

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Also, 2401 Penitent Tangeant seemed to have no regard for the gravemind, and the gravemind apparently knew everything 2401 did
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They did for halo 1 and 2, why not 3?
To my knowledge, they didn't do this as much in Halo 1.

Not as much, sure. But we agree it was there since the beginning, right?

Also, don't forget the "Truth and Reconciliation".
In an interview (I think with Marty) it was confirmed that name came from the Bible as well (pointing to Jesus). Don't forget the Cortana letters...
Yeah, it's just a name, though. That's what I mean; in Halo 1, there aren't any biblical parallels except for a few names.

As for the Cortana letters, well, I haven't read those.

Not true, if you follow the school of thought under my mediator thread, where the flood have nothing to do with the flood in genesis, but rather sin in itself, and the Covenant represented God's Law (which reveals our sin).
Gentile, Jew, no matter, both can be infected with sin.
"Humans, Covenant, whatever, we are both equally edible."
Then what do you have to say about hunters? They cannot be consumed by the flood. So following the same school of thought, we can easily say that hunters cannot be affected by "sin."
Same with sentinels.

Eh, not true.
Though their nervous system more than likely cannot be "hacked", I'm pretty sure their biomass can be absorbed into the piles of bodies that the flood gathers. The infection forms can indeed kill hunters, but not take control of them.

Thus, they are suseptible to the flood. Just not being "posessed".

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And sentinals can, too, be corrupted by the flood.
The flood can assimilate machines. That's what the Keyes-blob was doing in halo-CE to the covenant ship. Also, 2401 Penitent Tangeant seemed to have no regard for the gravemind, and the gravemind apparently knew everything 2401 did, the same as he did the prophet of Regret.



Your right. Now that i think of it, i remember seeing 2401 covered with some kind of yellow crap, kind of like some of the flood stuff thats all of the floors in some of the levels. So, when Gravemind is holding him, hes covered in the material, so he was defiantly assimilated.

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OK. Let's not get technical. Relatively speaking, I'm a 9 or so. I would venture to say I know more about the book than 90% of the population. I do know a touch of Latin. Not enough to make a difference, but no to Greek and Hebrew. Last I checked, the amount of people who knew ancient Hebrew couldn't fill a small room.

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Posted by: Titan Alumn
OK. Let's not get technical. Relatively speaking, I'm a 9 or so. I would venture to say I know more about the book than 90% of the population. I do know a touch of Latin. Not enough to make a difference, but know to Greek and Hebrew. Last I checked, the amount of people who knew ancient Hebrew couldn't fill a small room.

Fair enough.
Still, nobody has labled this piece of scripture as a coincidence.
It has nothing to do with the Ark (of Noah) or the the flood (of Noah).
So if it isn't a coincidence, then the connections go beyond that of the Ark and the Flood.

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The Book of Daniel sort of parallels Revelation, correct? I might add a bit of Daniel to my theory on Revelation if it does.

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Great job Zeredov, keep it up. Now here's what I think. Alot of people have suggested that the trailer is a VISION that the Chief is having, which could very well be, and I say this because since we're on the subject of Biblical references: the Apostle JOHN wrote the book of Revelations which is about the ends times for all of you who dont know that. And he wrote it based on what he saw in a VISION. So in the trailer mc(JOHN), could be having a vision or being shown a vision of how the world ends. Thats possibly why Cortana says "this is the way the world ends." And if so its like her saying "so wat r u going to do about it."

  • 07.12.2006 4:41 PM PDT

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The Book of Daniel sort of parallels Revelation, correct? I might add a bit of Daniel to my theory on Revelation if it does.

Revelations does mention some things in Daniel a couple times. Not everything, but I think half of the end times stuff in Daniel is also in Revelations.

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Posted by: Ender
The Book of Daniel sort of parallels Revelation, correct? I might add a bit of Daniel to my theory on Revelation if it does.


Yes, Daniel parallels Revalation in parts. Personally, I can't verify the connection between the verses in Daniel and Halo. They are both good vs evil and they both have a couple of words that are important in Halo (Covenant/Flood). It's a story of two kings, which Halo is not. And a covenant is a common term referring to different groups coming together to form one. I mean, it seems like a pretty decent size coincidence, but not one that is unimaginable. There is no way to prove it. I personally don't think the fellas at Bungie are trying to create a spiritual masterpiece that revolves around the Bible. If they were so worried about bringing a Biblical agenda into the game, they would have refrained from swearing.

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Posted by: Titan Alumn
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The Book of Daniel sort of parallels Revelation, correct? I might add a bit of Daniel to my theory on Revelation if it does.


Yes, Daniel parallels Revalation in parts. Personally, I can't verify the connection between the verses in Daniel and Halo. They are both good vs evil and they both have a couple of words that are important in Halo (Covenant/Flood). It's a story of two kings, which Halo is not. And a covenant is a common term referring to different groups coming together to form one. I mean, it seems like a pretty decent size coincidence, but not one that is unimaginable. There is no way to prove it. I personally don't think the fellas at Bungie are trying to create a spiritual masterpiece that revolves around the Bible. If they were so worried about bringing a Biblical agenda into the game, they would have refrained from swearing.

I think you just broke the code by not thinking all the way through...

Halo is about 2 kings NOW ! The Arbiter and the Masterchief!

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That's true, although, I find it likely that John represents the Savior figure. IceWeasel had an excellent post on that recently. Would he be able to represent one of the kings as well?

  • 07.12.2006 5:24 PM PDT

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To be honest, I don't know.
The kings could represent a conglomerate of 'people' from either side.

But I am fairly certain that the last king mentioned in Daniel 11 is Truth.
"For he will pitch his tents between the sea [Indian Ocean] and the glorious holy mountain[kilimanjaro], but he will come to his end, and none will help him."

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That sounds plausible.

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Ooh, that does sound like what would happen to Truth. He is the second King, so who is the first?

  • 07.12.2006 7:26 PM PDT

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What do you mean the first?
Oh.
Truth seems to be the King of the North, while the King of the South appears to be anyone not Covenant. I would say that the South is humanity as a whole, if not the Chief.

I looked up "North" and "South" in my concordance.
Not sure if the primary/secondary meanings of the words offer any relevance, but here it goes.

The hebrew word in this passage for "south" is Negeb, which means "parched" (like a desert), or "sparse".
North is tah-phone, which means "dark" or "hidden".

The covenant aren't known for having very bright edifices (no, it's not "edifii").
But as for the humans being "parched"? Well, Africa is fairly arid.

Whatever.
I'm going off on a tangent.

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More I've come upon (randomly, no verses, sry)

The ARK of the COVENANT

'And the angels decended from heaven and bred with the children of earth. And this is when the true heroes of old were born, great leaders of men with abilities beyond the normal'- SPARTANS!?!?!?

Some more maybe l8er.

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Good arguments, but it is very vauge on the details part it could use a little in depth more becuase half those things that are mentioned apply to a wide veriaty of religions not just the biblical text in genearal. There and if its a epic in this case the whole Halo series its requierment to have one central hero who usally goes through a couple of trials and tribulations to become the epic hero you see in famous novels such as the classic Beowulf. And you also have to look at Revaltions as a piece of apocalyptic literature and can ethier be translated in a symbolic or literal way. So thats my 2 cents

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First of all, yay for the Deuteronomy reference!

And secondly, I think that while the Flood does pour onto the battlefield like a flood, there is definite room for allegory there. There are too many obvious references there to deny Biblical allegory altogether.

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First of all, yay for the Deuteronomy reference!

And secondly, I think that while the Flood does pour onto the battlefield like a flood, there is definite room for allegory there. There are too many obvious references there to deny Biblical allegory altogether.


I would never say flat out there is no Biblical allegory, but as Christians (which I assume most of you are) you should be more responsible with comparisons than some in this thread have been. The Locust in Revalation comparison (the original poster's idea) was way off. I could be wrong and maybe Bungie used the Bible and verses from the Bible to build the foundation of the entire mythology, but I will not be definite about it because while Halo is a great game, it is not sacred like the Bible and therefore doesn't deserved to be compared to it unless there is an obvious comparison, i.e. Ark/Flood.

  • 07.13.2006 10:18 AM PDT

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yes bungie got some ideas from the bible so ur saying what happened but not will happen i dnt care if spartan 177 is jesus or somuut wierd like that that gets us nowhere closer to unraverling the mystery of halo

  • 07.13.2006 10:33 AM PDT