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As a preamble, I'll just say that these things have been tried before, and they've failed.

That said, I'd like to try it again. The idea is to engage the XBL-enabled portion of the 7th Column in a tournament of some sort. What sort? It's up for discussion. What I suggest is that chapters form teams - in some cases, maybe a number of chapters form a single team - and participate in "group stages" and then knockout rounds to whittle down to a winner.

Another suggestion is we completely randomise it; individuals enter and get placed into a hat (literally), and then get teamed up with others.

If you're interested, and I mean interested - not just posting for the sake of it - then do reply with ideas or appropriate comments. The principle of this is really just to bring together the column in organising something by itself, and I can't recall the last time it did.

I don't expect the tournament to be overly competitive, and there won't be any prizes, just the enjoyment of uniting with fellow community members in having a good time. Again, if you have something useful to say and if you seriously intend to go all the way with this, then please drop by. Otherwise, don't bother.

  • 07.12.2006 3:45 PM PDT
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A group tournament sounds nice....

  • 07.12.2006 3:48 PM PDT

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Maybe it should be posted as a news article first to get some peoples attention then have chapters make teams of 4-8. There could be two seperate tournaments.

  • 07.12.2006 3:53 PM PDT
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No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

No.


two seperate tournaments would be "foolish"

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  • 07.12.2006 3:54 PM PDT

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I'll sign up, but a group tournament? Don't you think that alot of people will be in multiple groups that are signed up for the tournament?

  • 07.12.2006 3:58 PM PDT
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impurity, Sgt, you bring up good points.

By organisation I mean the planning and setting up of dates and such.

I know there are going to be jerks. We could set up neutral moderators or something. Selection would have to be random.

I think grouping together teams of four is a great idea, as it adds to the community aspect as well as to the nature of a tournament. I even think combining teams of two into dual-group teams of four could work well. Like I said, it is meant to be fun. And if people enter wanting to be competitive, then by being paired up with less skilled/less motivated people they'd have to accept the purpose of the tournament. Randomising it should add to the entertainment value.

Sgt, I agree there's an issue there. If we just had individuals entering, then the problem would be solved. But there's also the issue of playing for a group and the pride from that. I can only suggest that if people don't want to choose between their groups, they could enter individually anyway and get teamed up with whoever.

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Posted by: Psyched
impurity, Sgt, you bring up good points.

By organisation I mean the planning and setting up of dates and such.

I know there are going to be jerks. We could set up neutral moderators or something. Selection would have to be random.


I found a solution to this problem in GIA. We can have the neutral moderators be elites, while forcing the other players to be spartans. Then, we can keep the colors simple, by having red v.s. blue, and the moderators yellow.

This would hopefully prevent any "accidental" killing of the moderators.

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  • 07.12.2006 4:27 PM PDT
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I don't like the forcing of character models, but the colour idea would work.

  • 07.12.2006 4:30 PM PDT
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Chapter teams? I'm not in that many large chapters... how will that work?

Maybe if the teams are limited to 3-4 and possibly multiple teams per chapter then it'd be plausible.

Anyway, I'll join along.

  • 07.12.2006 4:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Psyched
they could enter individually anyway and get teamed up with whoever.


Thats what I was thinking about

  • 07.12.2006 5:20 PM PDT

Posted by: SgtSTFU
Posted by: Psyched
they could enter individually anyway and get teamed up with whoever.


Thats what I was thinking about


I like the original idea, but this, this is bad. I personally have enough trouble relying on people i know while playing halo 2, let alone people i don't know. And i know plenty of people who feel the same way.

I think it would be better to simply allow people to be part of the tourney in pairs, teams of four, eight, whatever. Individual's should be for a seperate individual contest, for another time.

Just my thoughts.

  • 07.12.2006 6:37 PM PDT

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Well either way I'll sign up.. GT is Blind Kitten

  • 07.12.2006 6:48 PM PDT
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Having organized the last tournament (almost worked but not quite) please listen to what I have to say.

It's all about communication. There are people on this website that just want to play Halo. They don't do any of this "join chapters" stuff and probably visit this site every two months. This is why it is extremely easy for an organizer to loose touch with them. So you have a choice. You can either communicate with them using PMs on this site, and maybe make a group for the tournament (that's what I did) or you can send messages via Xbox Live. The people who visit this site regularly would obviously respond well to PMs. Likewise the ones that don't visit much would need messages sent to them over Xbox live. If you're going to accept both types of people, then you're going to need to use both methods of communication. Sorry.

Now let's look at teams by chapter vs. random teams

Team by Chapter:
Pros:
* If you assign one leader per Chapter, then all you have to do as the organizer is talk to that one leader of the group (maybe administrator) and then expect him to relay messages to his teammates. Cuts down on work for you.
* Teams have a sense of comradeship and the tournament will have a more serious feel.

Cons:
* If you set a size limit for teams, then a large number of people in bigger groups will get left out.


Random Teams
Pros:
* Almost everyone who signs up will get to play.

Cons:
* The players will be unhappy with teammates and more argueing and yelling might occur.
* There's a bunch more people you have to contact incase they don't follow the site.


So anyway, that's all I can think of right now. I'll probably remember more tommorrow, and I'll swing by again.

  • 07.12.2006 7:03 PM PDT
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Hmmm........I like the idea Excalibur had of creating a group for the tournament. I'm not good at organizing things.....because somtimes they get too organized and then fall apart.

But count me in, grouped or random.....I don't care.

-LF

  • 07.12.2006 7:32 PM PDT
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I would participate if i had xbox live =(. But its a good idea, itll take a lot of planning tho

  • 07.12.2006 7:35 PM PDT

Posted by: SgtSTFU
Well either way I'll sign up.. GT is Blind Kitten


amen to that.

  • 07.12.2006 7:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Excalibur
It's all about communication. There are people on this website that just want to play Halo. They don't do any of this "join chapters" stuff and probably visit this site every two months. This is why it is extremely easy for an organizer to loose touch with them. So you have a choice. You can either communicate with them using PMs on this site, and maybe make a group for the tournament (that's what I did) or you can send messages via Xbox Live. The people who visit this site regularly would obviously respond well to PMs. Likewise the ones that don't visit much would need messages sent to them over Xbox live. If you're going to accept both types of people, then you're going to need to use both methods of communication. Sorry.


I appreciate this, but there's no way anybody's going to go people-hunting. The only things the organisers can do is perhaps post a front-page story when appropriate, and I think maybe a group would be a good idea. I'm slightly reluctant because it's meant to be a community thing, and confining it to a private forum takes away some of the publicity, but I'll go ahead and found one if enough people think it'd help. Another thing is, people who visit the site just for Halo 2 could be a little too competitive, and may not wish to participate at all without some form of reward. I don't want to seem like I don't want to bring people into the community, but there's no way we can reach out beyond the front page of Bungie.net and the column itself. The only feasible thing I can suggest is for the participants to invite some friends along.

Team by Chapter:
Pros:

* If you assign one leader per Chapter, then all you have to do as the organizer is talk to that one leader of the group (maybe administrator) and then expect him to relay messages to his teammates. Cuts down on work for you.

* Teams have a sense of comradeship and the tournament will have a more serious feel.

Cons:

* If you set a size limit for teams, then a large number of people in bigger groups will get left out.


Random Teams
Pros:

* Almost everyone who signs up will get to play.

Cons:

* The players will be unhappy with teammates and more argueing and yelling might occur.

* There's a bunch more people you have to contact incase they don't follow the site.


Posted by: sir_brilliant
I like the original idea, but this, this is bad. I personally have enough trouble relying on people i know while playing halo 2, let alone people i don't know. And i know plenty of people who feel the same way.

I think it would be better to simply allow people to be part of the tourney in pairs, teams of four, eight, whatever. Individual's should be for a seperate individual contest, for another time.

Just my thoughts.


Here's the main problem. One possible solution is that we allow chapters to enter up to 3 teams, say (who will compete in different parts of the tournament ladder) and allow individuals to enter, who will get teamed up with other individuals. That would seem to satisfy the majority.

Or, as impurity suggested, chapters submit smaller teams and get teamed up with others randomly. It's not about winning, but I can appreciate how annoying it would be to be teamed up with someone who can't rack up a single kill. It'll have to be put to the vote at some point, and ultimately somebody's going to end up disappointed, but that's all we can do.

  • 07.13.2006 12:47 AM PDT

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(10:20:17 PM) Pezza: You were the one with the video camera breathing heavily. Of course you saw.

Im up for a Tournament.


To give everyone a chance to get in on the fun I believe it would be better to get almost everyone a chance to play by allowing people to sign up regaurdless if they are active in groups or not. It would give more people a chance to play. They may not get along but for the most part I am guessing that we would (for the most part) all get along.

  • 07.13.2006 1:07 AM PDT

What I suggest is that chapters form teams - in some cases, maybe a number of chapters form a single team - and participate in "group stages" and then knockout rounds to whittle down to a winner.

That sounds deathly familiar..except this time im not getting burned..

  • 07.13.2006 1:07 AM PDT
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To give everyone a chance to get in on the fun I believe it would be better to get almost everyone a chance to play by allowing people to sign up regaurdless if they are active in groups or not. It would give more people a chance to play. They may not get along but for the most part I am guessing that we would (for the most part) all get along.


Well, it's one big community. People should be able to find some common ground with others. It ought to help out in solving any problems between each other, and if people decide to argue and generally behave like drongos, then it's the rest of us they're letting down.

goldhawk, are you trying to accuse me of plagerism? The ideas are vaguely similar (I actually based this structure on the recent football world cup), but this is mainly for the 7th Column to congregate (although there's no intention to shut off other parties). This is a community event as opposed to a harshly competitive one with a grand final prize.

  • 07.13.2006 1:15 AM PDT

(10:19:49 PM) Scruss: oh and pezza, i saw what you did to that cat
(10:20:17 PM) Pezza: You were the one with the video camera breathing heavily. Of course you saw.

Posted by: Psyched

Well, it's one big community. People should be able to find some common ground with others. It ought to help out in solving any problems between each other, and if people decide to argue and generally behave like drongos, then it's the rest of us they're letting down.



Yeah, well hopefully we'll most of everyone involved will behave and not act like complete morons. I'm quite sure that most of the people that would be interested in joining would act mature enough to get this to work.

Well I'm in. I'd be glad to get a chance to play with more members of the community.

  • 07.13.2006 1:26 AM PDT

Posted by: Psyched
goldhawk, are you trying to accuse me of plagerism? The ideas are vaguely similar (I actually based this structure on the recent football world cup), but this is mainly for the 7th Column to congregate (although there's no intention to shut off other parties). This is a community event as opposed to a harshly competitive one with a grand final prize.


Actually i wasn't, i just felt like linking it.

Edit, why is it no one apart from the mods and certain bnet members can get away with jokes..

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  • 07.13.2006 1:29 AM PDT
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Sorry. I just get fed up of the whole "it's MY idea! stay away!" philosophy that seems to be rife in the community. I wasn't sure if you were being the same.

  • 07.13.2006 1:49 AM PDT

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Sorry. I just get fed up of the whole "it's MY idea! stay away!" philosophy that seems to be rife in the community. I wasn't sure if you were being the same.


Don't worry, it's understandable.

Hell, it wasn't even my idea on gia.com :)

  • 07.13.2006 1:55 AM PDT

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