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Subject: Halo. Is. NOT. The. BIBLE!
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Your totally right. I've recently looked at a post where some named stupid titles like in the Bible and wrote Halo 3 versions of the Bible. Most of those people on here are pathetic.

Hey I have Bible reference for you'll.
"The covenant are angles because they protect the ark and the spartans end up be saintan (it's totally given away, becuase master cheif is the only spartan, there is one saitan), and the elites are trying to protect humanity"

See how easily this can be done. Why don't some people refer Super Mario to Jesus and Peach to Mary. That would be HOOT!!

Bungie, is not making a game to reflect on Christianity. Like Anticolyte said there's killing, blood, gore, and the end of the world at sake. It also takes place in the future.

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  • 07.13.2006 10:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
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Chill out dude. There are biblical allegories in the Halo universe. Get over it. You can make biblical allegories to lots of things. The Matrix, and Lord of the Rings to name a few. And were using these references to try and figure out the mystery behind the Forerunners, the Ark, and the Halos. So just shut up.
I don't remember there being biblical parallels in Lord of the Rings. I'm pretty sure Tolkien was against that.

He had Gods and Godesses in the novels, which isn't a Christian idea.


Tolkien was actually a very devout believer.

Also, as others have shown quotes: some Bungie staff have said that it's ok to look at all of Halo as biblical allegory. I don't know why people get so worked up over it. The Bible is referenced in a LOT of culture- movies, television, games, etc, and you don't always know it's there. I just don't see why people get so angry if it is.


because the repeating of the same connections is annyoing, and it seems like people try to make up connections to the bible just so they can say that they are there


Oh, I totally agree- but that doesn't sound like most people's problem. I don't hear "man there are so many of these threads", just flat out angry comments saying "it's a video game there is nothing about the Bible". There's a difference. People just get up in arms about the suggestion that the Bible is referenced in something that they love. It's one of the oldest texts in history- it's going to show up places.

You're right, some people fish hard for snippets that they could relate- but that doesn't change that there are some obvious, deliberate parallels drawn with the Bible.

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  • 07.13.2006 10:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Antiacolyte
Geeze. Freakin' overly-religous Christian gamers. Go play "Jesus' Big Adventure: The legend of the Demonic Darwin and his evil evolution theories", not Halo.


freakin' overly sensetive gamers ;-)

chris butcher himself ahas said that the story of halo can be thought of as a biblical allegory. does it mean it is one? not necessarily, it just means you can think of it as one, and it makes some sense.

there are clearly similarities between the bible and the halo storyline. however, the story of halo is clearly not the bible in space. otherwise the main character wouldnt be killing anyone and things would definitely work out differently.

still, i'm wondering why you felt the need to express your feelings on people's speculation and theories about halo's similarity to certain things in the bible. does it kill you to think outside the box? you can either take halo for what it is at first glance and enjoy the epci scifi story, or you could try going a bit further and trying to draw similarities and perhaps enjoy the story more.

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Exactly. And here's the deal- why doesn't it make these same people mad at the suggestion of Norse parallels? Or Greek? There are plenty of those in there as well as the Biblical ones. Different people are going to enjoy the game for a variety of reasons- I say, let them.

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Posted by: Antiacolyte
<Start Adam Sessler quote> Okay, let me check, my Xbox is white, it has the number 360 on it, <end Adam Sessler quote>and it definately doesn't say "Holy Bible" on it, nor does Halo 3! =D

Stop making references between Halo and the bible. There are similarities, but it's not about the bible. Geeze. Freakin' overly-religous Christian gamers. Go play "Jesus' Big Adventure: The legend of the Demonic Darwin and his evil evolution theories", not Halo.

Please, please, for the love of his highness of covie-kicking, Master Chief, STOP CALLING HALO THE DIGITAL VERSION OF THE FREAKING BIBLE! It's about guns, blood, death, and war, not the f***ing Revelation!

Flame or comment accordingly.



I like Eggs... you look like you should be wearing a flame suite.... BLARG

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You should go play 'Jesus' Big Adventure: The Demonic Darwin and his evil evolution theories' too. =D

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Posted by: Antiacolyte
MissionHill, I am Presbyterian, although not strongly religous. I don't go to church, but I believe in God, Heaven, Hell, Jesus, and the afterlife and such. I apologize for sounding insulting, but come on. Halo is a video game.


There are actually many video games out there that draw parallels from different sources of literature. "Too Human", coming up for the 360 actually is drawing a ton of stories from Norse mythology. Likewise, there have been many other games that draw from Roman, Greek, and Biblical sources. It's not a new trend. Not all video games are mindless fun- there are plenty out there that offer some substance beneath the action, and many games that offer intricate, symbolic stories. It's actually been going on for about 10 years or more.

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I think Bungie should end all the arguments by making the MC walk on water, heal the flood, and walk in the desert for 40 days.

P.S. I know that I'm probably going to hell for being so blasphemous.

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"You must face the truth squarely and without flinching from duty. Our enemies are mortal no longer. Mercy for such as they is a chimera, self-deception is its only ally. Dedicate this weapon, given unto your hand at the behest of the Emperor, to their destruction. Regard its function as your only duty: you live only to bring cleansing fire."

i declare crusade to convert the non belivers...

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I think Bungie should end all the arguments by making the MC walk on water, heal the flood, and walk in the desert for 40 days.

P.S. I know that I'm probably going to hell for being so blasphemous.



ROFL!!! LMAO!!

wait.... in the release.... MC was walking out of the desert... i wonder how long he had been walking in the desert before we saw him!?!?!

ZOMG!! it IS THE BIBLE!! [/sarcasm]

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Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
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Exactly. And here's the deal- why doesn't it make these same people mad at the suggestion of Norse parallels? Or Greek? There are plenty of those in there as well as the Biblical ones. Different people are going to enjoy the game for a variety of reasons- I say, let them.


becuase people don't constantly push the Norse and Greek theories, but they do push the bible theories


Haha, well it IS a forum... I don't think anything is being "pushed". It's simply being put out there to discuss it with other people. The forum is public space, and anyone is welcome to post an opinion on it, within the rules of the site, of course.

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  • 07.13.2006 11:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
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Exactly. And here's the deal- why doesn't it make these same people mad at the suggestion of Norse parallels? Or Greek? There are plenty of those in there as well as the Biblical ones. Different people are going to enjoy the game for a variety of reasons- I say, let them.


becuase people don't constantly push the Norse and Greek theories, but they do push the bible theories



Haha, well it IS a forum... I don't think anything is being "pushed". It's simply being put out there to discuss it with other people. The forum is public space, and anyone is welcome to post an opinion on it, within the rules of the site, of course.


indeed true, but people DO push the bible theories, because it seems that anyone who disagrees with them is anti-God or something. and anyway, how many Norse and Greek topics do you see compared to the bible topics? that is my point


Good point about the Greek and Norse topics. It'd be interesting to see how people would react. As for the whole "anti-God" thing... I honestly haven't seen that reaction much. I feel like the more negative responses usually come from people who are angry about the Bible being mentioned and start flaming people and saying "you dumb Christians", etc. You don't have to be a Christian to see the parallels. There are plenty of people interested in philosophy that know a good bit about the Bible, because they are well versed in the texts of many religions.

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I can't sleep tonight, so I borrowed a computer to check email and such. I came across this post, and I felt compelled to respond.

First. and foremost, whoever said Biblical theorists should be blacklisted made me laugh. It's threads like this that should be locked, and the biggest flaming culprits blacklisted. This thread has absolutely nothing to do with Halo 3, whereas the Biblical connections threads attempt to weave their way forwards in the Haloverse.

Second, I quote:

There is a connection between the Bible and Halo.... This is not to say that there are other myths/legends/religions connected with the Halo series, because there definitely are. This is also not intended to offend non-Christians, nor is it intended as an attempt to convert anyone. This is simply what I see from what I know.
I inserted that in my Biblical connections post, and nowhere in that post did I say that Halo is the Bible. I have read others' Biblical connections posts and do not recall any of them stating Halo is the Bible. Like I said, I'm not pushing any agenda either. If Bungie specifically says there is Biblical allegory, and subtle allegory to boot, then I have a right to look it up and post my ideas.

Third, I do not think anyone here is going to hell, and I highly doubt most others do either. Why? I am not anyone to judge. That's between each one of you and God.

Fourth, Bungie does state that no religious discussion is allowed. However, based on the fact that Halo has Biblical and other religios/mythical/legendary connections, posts such as mine are allowable because they have everything to do with the Halo universe and Halo 3. I and others do not start threads simply to discuss the Bible at length. Do you really think the Ninjas would have allowed the threads to live this long? Back to my first point: this thread and others like it do not belong.

So I'm going to go to bed now and enjoy the rest of my vacation. Hopefully some of you angry people can find ways to calm down. If you do not like the Biblical references threads, don't read them. It's really very simple.

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  • 07.13.2006 11:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Antiacolyte
Stop making references between Halo and the bible. There are similarities, but it's not about the bible. Geeze. Freakin' overly-religous Christian gamers. Go play "Jesus' Big Adventure: The legend of the Demonic Darwin and his evil evolution theories", not Halo.
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I laughed.

http://christiananswers.net/spotlight/games/2005/halo2.h tml
http://christiananswers.net/spotlight/games/2002/halo.ht ml

Just thought I'd throw those in there.

Look. Everything can be compared to the bible in some way, and usually is.
Hero=jesus
bad guy=devil.
Easy as that.
If the main character dies, well that seals the deal it was obviously reminiscent of jesus dying for everybody elses sins.

Halo just happens to have more religious terms. Probably more to emphasize the fact that the covenant are highly religious.

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  • 07.13.2006 11:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
i wouldn't say anything like "You dumb Christians" because i respect other people's opinions, but i have gotten a few "anti-God" remarks from people. my point is that the bible connections have been discussed and re-discussed, and the fact is that connections are there, but people shoudn't go as far as saying that Halo is the bible, and should stop trying to make connections that aren't there.


I don't think anyone says that Halo is the BIble- and as for making connections that aren't there, I agree. But you admitted yourself, there are connections. Personally, I don't mind when people re-discuss the same thing over and over and over- it's a forum, that's what people do. You don't have to go in and read every topic, you know.

  • 07.13.2006 11:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
my point is that the bible connections have been discussed and re-discussed,


That's because this is a very large forum, and that what it is for. Discussingt stuff. If you don't like those threads then simply don't read them. There can be be lots of new ideas and thoughts in some of those threads, and they should continue.

And the fact is that connections are there, but people shoudn't go as far as saying that Halo is the bible,

Nobody is saying that Halo is the Bible.

and should stop trying to make connections that aren't there.

The connections they are making may actually be there. If thats how people want to spend there time just let them discuss the biblical parallels and ignore them yourself. You don't have to read the topics.

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  • 07.13.2006 11:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
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Chill out dude. There are biblical allegories in the Halo universe. Get over it. You can make biblical allegories to lots of things. The Matrix, and Lord of the Rings to name a few. And were using these references to try and figure out the mystery behind the Forerunners, the Ark, and the Halos. So just shut up.
I don't remember there being biblical parallels in Lord of the Rings. I'm pretty sure Tolkien was against that.

He had Gods and Godesses in the novels, which isn't a Christian idea.


There's no gods in the lord of the rings.

  • 07.13.2006 11:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
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Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
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Posted by: Clayton Bigsby1
Posted by: Pwnocchio
Exactly. And here's the deal- why doesn't it make these same people mad at the suggestion of Norse parallels? Or Greek? There are plenty of those in there as well as the Biblical ones. Different people are going to enjoy the game for a variety of reasons- I say, let them.


becuase people don't constantly push the Norse and Greek theories, but they do push the bible theories



Haha, well it IS a forum... I don't think anything is being "pushed". It's simply being put out there to discuss it with other people. The forum is public space, and anyone is welcome to post an opinion on it, within the rules of the site, of course.


indeed true, but people DO push the bible theories, because it seems that anyone who disagrees with them is anti-God or something. and anyway, how many Norse and Greek topics do you see compared to the bible topics? that is my point


Good point about the Greek and Norse topics. It'd be interesting to see how people would react. As for the whole "anti-God" thing... I honestly haven't seen that reaction much. I feel like the more negative responses usually come from people who are angry about the Bible being mentioned and start flaming people and saying "you dumb Christians", etc. You don't have to be a Christian to see the parallels. There are plenty of people interested in philosophy that know a good bit about the Bible, because they are well versed in the texts of many religions.


i wouldn't say anything like "You dumb Christians" because i respect other people's opinions, but i have gotten a few "anti-God" remarks from people. my point is that the bible connections have been discussed and re-discussed, and the fact is that connections are there, but people shoudn't go as far as saying that Halo is the bible, and should stop trying to make connections that aren't there.


who gave you an anti-God remark? I'm a christian and a regular member of this forum and I don't see anyone saying your unreligious for not agreeing with them. And who talks about how the world was made? I for one think the eveloution theory and the bible story are the same thing if you stop and look at it.

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Posted by: Antiacolyte
<Start Adam Sessler quote> Okay, let me check, my Xbox is white, it has the number 360 on it, <end Adam Sessler quote>and it definately doesn't say "Holy Bible" on it, nor does Halo 3! =D

Stop making references between Halo and the bible. There are similarities, but it's not about the bible. Geeze. Freakin' overly-religous Christian gamers. Go play "Jesus' Big Adventure: The legend of the Demonic Darwin and his evil evolution theories", not Halo.

Please, please, for the love of his highness of covie-kicking, Master Chief, STOP CALLING HALO THE DIGITAL VERSION OF THE FREAKING BIBLE! It's about guns, blood, death, and war, not the f***ing Revelation!

Flame or comment accordingly.
Sir I love you. Congrats you get a star for being the most intelligent person in the Halo 3 forum....

Then again, thats not that much of an acomplishment...

well you get a little star, but It's all bold, and italicised and underlined. enjoy your star

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