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Subject: 3 better be more like CE... not 2.
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Halo = New Standalone game from Bungie (started telling a story)
Halo 2 = second in the series (but a separate and different game)
Halo 3 = third in the series (and also likely to be a separate and different game)

You may have noticed, it's not

Halo
Halo 2004
Halo 2007 (tournament edition)

Games that are much like the previous one and only have small incremental changes tend to put the year at the end of the title to show that it's "lasts years version, but slightly modified".

Bungie doesn't do that. So called "true fans" would know that.


Recon just put you in your place. A true fan would embrace the Halo series, not just a single part. You are not a "True" good player. You are one of those arrogant kids that whine about everything and insult the fan base. Halo is better off with out you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Posted by: Chin Checked
I went to the site. And i swear these guys have to be THE BIGGEST BATCH of nerds with NOTHING AT ALL to do with theyre time. Like seriously you know comic book guy from the Simpsons? Well imagine a website full of people like him! And thats what you get, I mean these guys complain about the stupidest things EVER.

The guys who run the site need a LIFE. Like seriously, I kind of feel sorry for them. One conflicting guy -blam!-ed about having to press the white button to talk to your team. I mean come on.
Hey jackass, we're not nerds. We actually prove some valid points.

Next time, instead of generalizing, use your head.

I really hate it when a person thinks a whole site sucks just because of our opinion. That right there is nothing but acute close-mindedness. Do you even know why the site was made in the first place?

It was made to discuss our opinions away from fanboys like you. We like one game better than the other. It doesn't make us nerds. The site was created for people who felt the same way to discuss Halo 2 and think of ways to fix it.

Does Bungie listen? No. But does that matter? No. Do people think we're idiots? Yes. Why? Because they don't know anything. They know nothing about us. They don't know anything about disappointment.

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Posted by: HELLB0RN
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Halo = New Standalone game from Bungie (started telling a story)
Halo 2 = second in the series (but a separate and different game)
Halo 3 = third in the series (and also likely to be a separate and different game)

You may have noticed, it's not

Halo
Halo 2004
Halo 2007 (tournament edition)

Games that are much like the previous one and only have small incremental changes tend to put the year at the end of the title to show that it's "lasts years version, but slightly modified".

Bungie doesn't do that. So called "true fans" would know that.


Recon just put you in your place. A true fan would embrace the Halo series, not just a single part. You are not a "True" good player. You are one of those arrogant kids that whine about everything and insult the fan base. Halo is better off with out you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Wait, so Hellborn, lemme get this straight.

I'm not a true fan if I dislike the sequel?

You're wrong.

Hellborn, who the hell are you to say who is a "true" fan. IMO, a true fan is someone who enjoys something a lot, and knows how to defend it. Something that the majority of Halo 2 fans have a hards time doing.

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If you read ALL of th weekly updates. Bungie stated that Halo 3 will be different. They said they don't want to make another game that plays exactly the same.
So Halo 3 won't be like Halo:CE or Halo 2.

Both games are great. Halo was a fun game. But it got repetitive after a while. And Halo 2 has a similar problem but not as bad, because you have more options in the gameplay. Both games have the tendency to whore the Pistol/BR weapons. Thats one thing I'd like to see Bungie try to break away from.

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Your really stupid... not you Recon the maker of the thread!

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Halo = New Standalone game from Bungie (started telling a story)
Halo 2 = second in the series (but a separate and different game)
Halo 3 = third in the series (and also likely to be a separate and different game)

You may have noticed, it's not

Halo
Halo 2004
Halo 2007 (tournament edition)

Games that are much like the previous one and only have small incremental changes tend to put the year at the end of the title to show that it's "lasts years version, but slightly modified".

Bungie doesn't do that. So called "true fans" would know that.
I do agree on the fact that Halo 3 should not be another Halo CE, but I do think it should bear a lot of resemblances to it.

For me, Halo 2 was just way too different. I dunno why, but it was. There were too many things cut that were shown to us, and there wasn't any similarity to the first game. Some things had pointless changes to them; like Chief getting out of the left side of the ghost instead of the right. Why make changes like that when other things can be done? And why add in a bunch of similar weapons? Nearly every human weapon has a covenant counter-part with little difference between them. The shotgun = the sword. The SMG = plasma rifle. The plasma rifle = brute plasma rifle. The magnum = plasma pistol. The rocket launcher = fuel rod cannon. The BR = carbine. The beam rifle = sniper rifle. The normal sentinel beam = gold sentinel beam. Although I do enjoy the carbine (it's my favorite weapon), the only really unique weapons are the brute shot and needler. Everything else serves no purpose.

There are three automatic weapons: SMG, PR, and BPR. In the first game, they would have related to the AR and the PR/ But now, there is no difference between them. The PR has now lost its freeze effect and has picked up a massive amount of auto-aim. The SMG is just a watered-down AR and also has a bunch of auto-aim. And then the BPR made a pointless appearance too. It was nothing but a PR with some minor tweaks.

That's not to say that I "hate" Halo 2. I do like a lot of things about it, like boarding, boosting, etc. But I just think it was not a true sequel. I don't agree with the topic-starter when he says that Halo 2 fans are "retards" or whatever; but I do think Halo 3 should at least include some of the long-lost features of Halo 1.

  • 07.14.2006 8:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: HELLB0RN
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Halo = New Standalone game from Bungie (started telling a story)
Halo 2 = second in the series (but a separate and different game)
Halo 3 = third in the series (and also likely to be a separate and different game)

You may have noticed, it's not

Halo
Halo 2004
Halo 2007 (tournament edition)

Games that are much like the previous one and only have small incremental changes tend to put the year at the end of the title to show that it's "lasts years version, but slightly modified".

Bungie doesn't do that. So called "true fans" would know that.


Recon just put you in your place. A true fan would embrace the Halo series, not just a single part. You are not a "True" good player. You are one of those arrogant kids that whine about everything and insult the fan base. Halo is better off with out you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I wasn't trying to "put anyone in their place".

Each fan is welcome to come to their own decision and judgment on what games they like and in what order.

But the fact remains that we're not the ones who really own or are making the games. We're all players, we're all gamers, we're all fans.

Someone is welcome to like 1>2 or 2>1 or whatever. It doesn't change me, my opinions or what I like or dislike.

But there seems to be a disconnect over who does what.

If someone says, "Bungie, you better make #3 like #1!" that is silly. It's swinging a sword at the sea.

Now, even though it seems similar, "Bungie, if #3 is not like #1, then I won't buy it!", is a completely different statement. It shows that the person speaking understands who is doing what. Bungie makes the game, and we decide if we want to buy, or play it.

We're all much better when we're clear on what our "place" is. IMO, we're the audience and Bungie is the performer. We're just waiting for them to release their next performance. If someone wants to make their own performance and get their own audience, there's plenty of room on the stage.



Agreed...Bungie makes games that are fun to them...and it just so happens that a vast population likes games that Bungie likes to make. If you don't like them, then that is your given right under the Constitution to have freedom of speech...it is just silly to not evaluate all of the pro's and con's about an entire series. You can't judge the series until you play Halo 3, or at least that is what I honestly think.

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Halo CE=H3 Single-player
Halo 2=Multiplayer
Halo 3=Halo CE Single-player,Halo 2 Multplayer,and new stuff on Halo 3 for both SP and MP.

  • 07.14.2006 8:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: Chin Checked
I went to the site. And i swear these guys have to be THE BIGGEST BATCH of nerds with NOTHING AT ALL to do with theyre time. Like seriously you know comic book guy from the Simpsons? Well imagine a website full of people like him! And thats what you get, I mean these guys complain about the stupidest things EVER.

The guys who run the site need a LIFE. Like seriously, I kind of feel sorry for them. One conflicting guy -blam!-ed about having to press the white button to talk to your team. I mean come on.
Well then you didn't go to the website. The reason that site was made was because they wanted to discuss the flaws of Halo 2 without people like you flamming the hell out of them. The majority of them are really mature, much more than you. You should go to their forums, you'd notice they aren't the immature jerks Shishka and you think they are.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
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Your really -blam!-...

Quoting the person to whom you are speaking (like I did with you) helps people to know who you are addressing.

Just putting a response out there (even a one liner that has no meaning) is pointless until people know who you are talking to.

Really sorry internet messing up.... I mean't the maker of the thread (which I shouldn't be so mean to)

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Posted by: Retarded Moose
Halo 2 > Halo 1

Halo 3 (will be) > Halo 2
With a sig like yours, there's no way you could possibly be taken seriously.

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Posted by: High Truth
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Yeah, Halo: CE rapes Halo 2... in every possible way. Bring the format of Halo 3 back to the original ways of Halo: CE. Stop listening to idiots who never played CE, and listen to real players who know Halo 2 was the biggest failure for a sequel (Campaign & Matchmaking). Listen to all those letters from halo2sucks.com, and truely work on making Halo 3 somewhat of a good game. You might gain a lot of your true good Halo players back.


[Insert Inverse Argument Here]

[Insert Neutral Comment Here]

I guess we should go back to using Slide Rulers, instead of calculators, eh? You know, because people who used slide rulers were true math experts.


thats absolutely right. slide rules take far more ability and mind power to use than your average texas intrument calc ever would. if you want a real measure of skill, use the tools which force you to exert yourself. now as for actual playing experience, 2 was much easier to get into for the average gamer. i truly beleive that halo 3 should not be like either games. i want new challenges, new thrills and spills. give me something that will make me rip my hair out in anguish when i die and praise allah when i sinfully fornicate with those dirty ghat damn covenant corpses. give me something akin to the side rule, not a slide rule itself, because that would be boreing and bland.
but seriously, all i want is a good ending. at this point i can just go back and play halo 1 if i want real skill. i dont need a replacement. just finish the story and add some new bells and whistles; make the kids go "ohhh and ahhhh".

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true dat home dog, true dat.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
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Posted by: Retarded Moose
Halo 2 > Halo 1

Halo 3 (will be) > Halo 2
With a sig like yours, there's no way you could possibly be taken seriously.

and here we have the core of the problem. Not you specifically VZ, but nearly everyone who cares to take a side on this so-called "debate".

Based on somone's position, people are unwilling to respect or give any validity to the opinions of others. "You like this, so obviously you don't know anything and I can disregard you and your statements." It's a civil form of namecalling. But just as dismissive.

This is why it's not a discussion, this is why it's not even a debate. It's an argument. A fight. And people are trying to somehow "win" it.

I don't get the fight, I don't see the argument, and I don't even see the point of a debate. This is like an argument over which is better, Red or Blue. The arguing doesn't change the subjects of the argument. Nor will any outcome of the argument (if one were possible) have any impact on the color Green.

Don't like Halo 2? Fine. Play games that you DO like. Love Halo 2? Great! Play it as long as you like.

Think that you have ideas that would be better? Good for you! When you are in the position to do so, use your ideas, make a better game, if it is better, people will love it and you'll be adored by all.

But arguing? When there are better things to do? If you want, but I am getting tired of cleaning up the mess.
Sorry if it sounded like I was trying to win an argument...it just bothers me that so many people stereotype h2sucks.com because of the site's name.

The only reason that I still argue about why I dislike Halo 2 is because I always had some hope that maybe Bungie would try to fix it somehow if many people asked them to. Bungie appreciates themselves for creating quality games--and they DO make quality games. But it just feels like Halo 2 isn't a quality game at all--be it Microsoft's time limit that they stuck on Bungie, or something else. I dunno.

I play Halo 2 maybe once a month nowadays. The only reason I play it--to look for things that I can enjoy. I recently gave Live another shot. But I got stock with Elongation twice in a row. It was four VS four, and two of my teammates quit out. The entire enemy team was dual-wielding. They were dual-wielding while my brother and I kept spawning with single SMGs. So after the match, I turn the Xbox off.

It's little things like that that ruin the experience for me and many others; the more I try to be open-minded about it, the more things that get in the damn way of me enjoying it.

But, I have stopped hoping for Bungie to fix the game nowadays; after I saw that not a single Bungie employee replied to the Halo 2 patch thread, even though over 800 people wanted a patch....I just sorta gave up. I dunno, maybe it was a good thing to give up.

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whether halo 3 is more like ce or 2 or whatever, it doesnt matter. what matters is that were getting another dose of what we all seem to love.

  • 07.14.2006 9:16 AM PDT
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You should have made a poll!

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Posted by: St Michael 666
whether halo 3 is more like ce or 2 or whatever, it doesnt matter. what matters is that were getting another dose of what we all seem to love.
Heh. You're right. Even though I dislike one game, I could still enjoy the other two and enjoy them as a trilogy.

*Moves on and forgets about debating Halo 2*

  • 07.14.2006 9:20 AM PDT

Recon just put you in your place. A true fan would embrace the Halo series, not just a single part. You are not a "True" good player. You are one of those arrogant kids that whine about everything and insult the fan base. Halo is better off with out you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Now that's wrong. A true fan would embrace the series? How? How can you be a fan of something you have not played yet? That is ridiculous. If anything a 'true' fan of Halo could well have been disappointed by all the needless changes and the discarding of so much that made it unique. What you are referring to is a blind fan, not caring what happens so long as the name 'Halo' is on the cover. So don't be so quick to judge, is what I'm saying.

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