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Subject: 3 better be more like CE... not 2.
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I thought Halo 2 was awesome. Matchmaking was my best online experience ever on Xbox Live.

  • 07.14.2006 10:55 AM PDT
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I agree, but halo ce was not on live was

  • 07.14.2006 10:58 AM PDT

Posted by: yayareaslaya707
i liked CE's campaign and h2's multiplayer


agreed.

  • 07.14.2006 11:00 AM PDT

Posted by: HELLB0RN
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Halo = New Standalone game from Bungie (started telling a story)
Halo 2 = second in the series (but a separate and different game)
Halo 3 = third in the series (and also likely to be a separate and different game)

You may have noticed, it's not

Halo
Halo 2004
Halo 2007 (tournament edition)

Games that are much like the previous one and only have small incremental changes tend to put the year at the end of the title to show that it's "lasts years version, but slightly modified".

Bungie doesn't do that. So called "true fans" would know that.


Recon just put you in your place. A true fan would embrace the Halo series, not just a single part. You are not a "True" good player. You are one of those arrogant kids that whine about everything and insult the fan base. Halo is better off with out you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


darn right. Eat it!

  • 07.14.2006 11:03 AM PDT
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I am going to say Bungie -blam!- up there biggest chance to go down in video game history. I hope bungie is remembered for what they did for the xbox with halo ce. Not for the crap job they did with halo 2.

  • 07.14.2006 11:07 AM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Bungie is allready mostly known for the great Halo 2!

  • 07.14.2006 11:11 AM PDT
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not as much as halo ce. What i dont understand about bungie is why they think they made a mistake with the pistol. The halo ce pistol is a masterpiece, in my opion it is the best weapon in any fps. Yeah the pistol shooting so far and accurate is not realalistic, but who cares it made the game great and i saw no reason to change it. The on the hand is cool but there execution of it sucks. Why busrt fire, why the excessive amount of auto aim. Plus the halo ce levels were made with all the weapons in mind. Halo 2 maps look great but the weapons abilities were not taken into affect. One last thing the plasma actually froze people in halo ce and had no auto aim. The new plasma rifle and no freeze effect at all and the auto aim is insane. If you dont believe me try killing a moving teammate wit the plasma rifle. It is impossible.

  • 07.14.2006 11:21 AM PDT
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ummmmm....no? People that think Halo 2 suck just dont like slight changes that make things more fun. This is exactly what most of the people from Halo2sucks.com said when they got Halo 2..."YO WTF!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO MY PISTOL!?!?!?! I CANT SNIPE SNIPERS FROM ACROSS THE MAP WITH IT ANYMORE THIS F@#!ING SUCKS!!! NOW IT DOESNT TAKE 3 SHOTS TO KILL ANYONE AND PEOPLE DONT JUST USE THE PISTOL ANYMORE.....ITS LIKE THE OTHER WEAPONS ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING NOW!!!! F!@K!!!!!" Personally, I dont ever want those people to come back.



Posted by: returnfire14
not as much as halo ce. What i dont understand about bungie is why they think they made a mistake with the pistol. The halo ce pistol is a masterpiece, in my opion it is the best weapon in any fps. Yeah the pistol shooting so far and accurate is not realalistic, but who cares it made the game great and i saw no reason to change it. The on the hand is cool but there execution of it sucks. Why busrt fire, why the excessive amount of auto aim. Plus the halo ce levels were made with all the weapons in mind. Halo 2 maps look great but the weapons abilities were not taken into affect. One last thing the plasma actually froze people in halo ce and had no auto aim. The new plasma rifle and no freeze effect at all and the auto aim is insane. If you dont believe me try killing a moving teammate wit the plasma rifle. It is impossible.


Well wtf, I got an idea let's go ahead and call it "The Pistol Game!" All there is is the overpowered Halo pistol, and guess what you SPAWN WITH IT!! Wont that be great!? No, it wouldnt.

[Edited on 7/14/2006]

  • 07.14.2006 11:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Kilwan
Halo 1 = Halo 1
Halo 2 = Halo 2
Halo 3 = Halo 3


  • 07.14.2006 11:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Kilwan
Halo 1 = Halo 1
Halo 2 = Halo 2
Halo 3 = Halo 3




May I commend you for stating the obvious...

The real problem here, is that those who liked Halo 2, are saying "embrace the change, love the new" and those who didn't prefer it to CE are saying "we want H3 to feel more like CE because we preferred it to H2". It's really not that hard to grasp.

The real problem is that this argument will go on til the end of time because you're all stubborn as hell. None of you are willing to accept your differences of opinion, you just moan at eachother about why you are or aren't right. Like the above post said - discuss.

  • 07.14.2006 11:41 AM PDT
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i agree, Halo CE had a better feel.

  • 07.14.2006 11:42 AM PDT
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Mendicant Bias: Someone set us up the Halo. We get signal.
Gravemind: What?!
Medicant Bias: Main screen turn on.
Gravemind: It's you!
Offensive Bias: How are you, Enemy? All your base are belong to Forerunner. You are on the way to destruction.
Gravemind: What you say?!
Offensive Bias: You have no chance to survive, make your time. Ha ha ha.

-Mysten

Yeah, Halo CEs Multiplayer was WAY better. There was a pistol that only took 3 shots to kill someone! It was the best weapon ever, because than I could pwn anyone! All I had to do was just pull the trigger and hold it! And, man, it took SKILL to hold that trigger! That was the only weapon anyone used because it was the perfect weapon in any FPS ever! The other weapons weren't even thought of!!

Unlike those Halo 2 players that use the Battle Rifle. It took 4 freekin shots! Thats way to weak! And the pistol sucks cuz now I can't shoot people 10ft away with my scope! I actaully have to have good accuracy? WTF?! All any uses is the sniper, rocket launcher and sword, and I always die! Halo 2 sux, cuz I always die! I want my Halo 1 pistol!! Halo 3 should have the pistol, so I don't have to have skill to win!!!

Seriously though. I've played on Live a few times, and if you can't even beat someone who uses the sniper rifle, rocket launcher or sword, you really are sad. On another note, I RARELY see anyone dual-weild in Halo 2. I use Plasma Rifles, and battle rifles and can easily kill a guy with rockets. In fact, I rarely see any one with the "power" weapons anymore. So shut up.

Halo 3 does not, and will not = Halo 1
Halo 3 does not, and will not = Halo 2
Halo 3 does, and will = Halo 3

Halo 3 will be a brand new experience, just like Halo 2 was. Halo 2 had a different feel than Halo 1 did, and Halo 3 will have a feel different from both of those.

  • 07.14.2006 12:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Major_Payn3
ummmmm....no? People that think Halo 2 suck just dont like slight changes that make things more fun. This is exactly what most of the people from Halo2sucks.com said when they got Halo 2..."YO WTF!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO MY PISTOL!?!?!?! I CANT SNIPE SNIPERS FROM ACROSS THE MAP WITH IT ANYMORE THIS F@#!ING SUCKS!!! NOW IT DOESNT TAKE 3 SHOTS TO KILL ANYONE AND PEOPLE DONT JUST USE THE PISTOL ANYMORE.....ITS LIKE THE OTHER WEAPONS ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING NOW!!!! F!@K!!!!!" Personally, I dont ever want those people to come back.



Posted by: returnfire14
not as much as halo ce. What i dont understand about bungie is why they think they made a mistake with the pistol. The halo ce pistol is a masterpiece, in my opion it is the best weapon in any fps. Yeah the pistol shooting so far and accurate is not realalistic, but who cares it made the game great and i saw no reason to change it. The on the hand is cool but there execution of it sucks. Why busrt fire, why the excessive amount of auto aim. Plus the halo ce levels were made with all the weapons in mind. Halo 2 maps look great but the weapons abilities were not taken into affect. One last thing the plasma actually froze people in halo ce and had no auto aim. The new plasma rifle and no freeze effect at all and the auto aim is insane. If you dont believe me try killing a moving teammate wit the plasma rifle. It is impossible.


Well wtf, I got an idea let's go ahead and call it "The Pistol Game!" All there is is the overpowered Halo pistol, and guess what you SPAWN WITH IT!! Wont that be great!? No, it wouldnt.

Yes cause you dont want to get your ass raped! The fact the pistol was so acurate and powerful made it possible for you till kill right out of the gate, you could overcome the riducalous spawns of halo ce. No longer did te power weapons like rocket and sniper decide the game. IN halo 2 you get a wimpy smg that doesnt stand a chance against the rocket or sniper. If you get to the power weapons first you win.

  • 07.14.2006 12:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dead Eye935
Yeah, Halo CEs Multiplayer was WAY better. There was a pistol that only took 3 shots to kill someone! It was the best weapon ever, because than I could pwn anyone! All I had to do was just pull the trigger and hold it! And, man, it took SKILL to hold that trigger! That was the only weapon anyone used because it was the perfect weapon in any FPS ever! The other weapons weren't even thought of!!

Unlike those Halo 2 players that use the Battle Rifle. It took 4 freekin shots! Thats way to weak! And the pistol sucks cuz now I can't shoot people 10ft away with my scope! I actaully have to have good accuracy? WTF?! All any uses is the sniper, rocket launcher and sword, and I always die! Halo 2 sux, cuz I always die! I want my Halo 1 pistol!! Halo 3 should have the pistol, so I don't have to have skill to win!!!

Seriously though. I've played on Live a few times, and if you can't even beat someone who uses the sniper rifle, rocket launcher or sword, you really are sad. On another note, I RARELY see anyone dual-weild in Halo 2. I use Plasma Rifles, and battle rifles and can easily kill a guy with rockets. In fact, I rarely see any one with the "power" weapons anymore. So shut up.

Halo 3 does not, and will not = Halo 1
Halo 3 does not, and will not = Halo 2
Halo 3 does, and will = Halo 3

Halo 3 will be a brand new experience, just like Halo 2 was. Halo 2 had a different feel than Halo 1 did, and Halo 3 will have a feel different from both of those.


Wow you are a retard the br and pistol are almost the same except br takes one more shot but dont forget about auto aim of the br it is insane. I hit his shoulder and it counts as a head shot so the br is more hold the trigger and shot. The has the same scope as te pistol. Also the pistol was 3 shots to the head which if i recall it a little bit hard to hit was you need to shoot directly at their head no over, or to the side, DIRECTLY ON IT. O and if you ever played halo ce you would know that te pistol is extremely unaccurate if you hold down the trigger. To be accurate you have to fire one at a time. its not like that with the br, so if you think the br is in any way harder then the pistol you flat out never played halo ce.

  • 07.14.2006 12:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: returnfire14
Posted by: Dead Eye935
Yeah, Halo CEs Multiplayer was WAY better. There was a pistol that only took 3 shots to kill someone! It was the best weapon ever, because than I could pwn anyone! All I had to do was just pull the trigger and hold it! And, man, it took SKILL to hold that trigger! That was the only weapon anyone used because it was the perfect weapon in any FPS ever! The other weapons weren't even thought of!!

Unlike those Halo 2 players that use the Battle Rifle. It took 4 freekin shots! Thats way to weak! And the pistol sucks cuz now I can't shoot people 10ft away with my scope! I actaully have to have good accuracy? WTF?! All any uses is the sniper, rocket launcher and sword, and I always die! Halo 2 sux, cuz I always die! I want my Halo 1 pistol!! Halo 3 should have the pistol, so I don't have to have skill to win!!!

Seriously though. I've played on Live a few times, and if you can't even beat someone who uses the sniper rifle, rocket launcher or sword, you really are sad. On another note, I RARELY see anyone dual-weild in Halo 2. I use Plasma Rifles, and battle rifles and can easily kill a guy with rockets. In fact, I rarely see any one with the "power" weapons anymore. So shut up.

Halo 3 does not, and will not = Halo 1
Halo 3 does not, and will not = Halo 2
Halo 3 does, and will = Halo 3

Halo 3 will be a brand new experience, just like Halo 2 was. Halo 2 had a different feel than Halo 1 did, and Halo 3 will have a feel different from both of those.


Wow you are a retard the br and pistol are almost the same except br takes one more shot but dont forget about auto aim of the br it is insane. I hit his shoulder and it counts as a head shot so the br is more hold the trigger and shot. The has the same scope as te pistol. Also the pistol was 3 shots to the head which if i recall it a little bit hard to hit was you need to shoot directly at their head no over, or to the side, DIRECTLY ON IT. O and if you ever played halo ce you would know that te pistol is extremely unaccurate if you hold down the trigger. To be accurate you have to fire one at a time. its not like that with the br, so if you think the br is in any way harder then the pistol you flat out never played halo ce.


You must really not play on line because dual weildin is everwhere, the sniper, rocket and sword are the main thing every body goes for. You must be like lvl 14 and play with the noobs.

  • 07.14.2006 12:13 PM PDT
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You could always make your own game instead of telling an extremely successful company how to make theirs. Teenage forum flamers always make the best games after all. That'll show them... They'll listen to you from that point on...

  • 07.14.2006 12:23 PM PDT
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It goes like this children:

Hardcore gamer (e.g. Bungie.net member)
Halo:CE >>> Halo 2

Casual ( Loves auto-aim and millions of weapons)
Halo2 >>> Halo:CE

I love Halo:CE a ton more than Halo2 because of the horrible, auto-aim (used to make up for lag; then why put it in the single-player Bungie, WHY!!!!!!) Also the pop-up, unbalanced weapons, interwoven Campain...ect, ect. ect.

  • 07.14.2006 12:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Posted by: GruntBuster
It goes like this children:

Hardcore gamer (e.g. Bungie.net member)
Halo:CE >>> Halo 2

Casual ( Loves auto-aim and millions of weapons)
Halo2 >>> Halo:CE

I love Halo:CE a ton more than Halo2 because of the horrible, auto-aim (used to make up for lag; then why put it in the single-player Bungie, WHY!!!!!!) Also the pop-up, unbalanced weapons, interwoven Campain...ect, ect. ect.


Try Perfect Dark Zero online, it has no auto-aim and it is horrible.

[Edited on 7/14/2006]

  • 07.14.2006 12:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: GruntBuster
It goes like this children:

Hardcore gamer (e.g. Bungie.net member)
Halo:CE >>> Halo 2

Casual ( Loves auto-aim and millions of weapons)
Halo2 >>> Halo:CE

I love Halo:CE a ton more than Halo2 because of the horrible, auto-aim (used to make up for lag; then why put it in the single-player Bungie, WHY!!!!!!) Also the pop-up, unbalanced weapons, interwoven Campain...ect, ect. ect.

You're right about the CE>>>h2 issue but I disagree with you on the Auto Aim making up the lag online. H1 online worked perfectly as far as AA goes. The only problem with it is you have to lead your shot but you dont need as much AA as h2 has it's proven with H1 online.

  • 07.14.2006 12:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: The BS Police
Posted by: GruntBuster
It goes like this children:

Hardcore gamer (e.g. Bungie.net member)
Halo:CE >>> Halo 2

Casual ( Loves auto-aim and millions of weapons)
Halo2 >>> Halo:CE

I love Halo:CE a ton more than Halo2 because of the horrible, auto-aim (used to make up for lag; then why put it in the single-player Bungie, WHY!!!!!!) Also the pop-up, unbalanced weapons, interwoven Campain...ect, ect. ect.


Try Perfect Dark Zero online, it has no auto-aim and it is horrible.


I own a360 too! I didn't buy PDZ because of the rubbish SP AI. I more of a SP guy. Also yes auto-aim for MP but why, WHY!!! did Bungie put it in the single player game. Look at Halo:CE, no visable magnitism.
Halo:CE = Best Console FPS
CoD2 = 2nd Best.
Halo 2 = 3rd Best Console FPS
IMO

  • 07.14.2006 12:49 PM PDT
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yeah soooo 400 people play halo 1 maybe few more. millions play halo2. ok lets make it more halo 1 and loose lots of people just to make them happy. course bungie will

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Posted by: Bbq monkey
yeah soooo 400 people play halo 1 maybe few more. millions play halo2. ok lets make it more halo 1 and loose lots of people just to make them happy. course bungie will


Not a flame, but your argument lacks any facts. Bring some sources for those numbers next time. And, keep in mind, Halo CE never got its chance on LIVE. So, even then your numbers wouldn't matter, as it wouldn't be a fair comparison. I enjoy Halo2, but I would love Halo:CE to have been online. But, because its not, I play H2. (and don't say play XBC, becuase its not anywhere close to being the same)

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  • 07.14.2006 1:02 PM PDT

Down, down to hell and say that I sent you there...

I came into the world with my legs forward and a woman cried "he was born with teeth!"

"I had no father I am like my father...I had no brother I am like my brother...And this word, "love" which old farts call divine be resident in men like you -blam!-. But not in me, I am my mother-blam!- self, alone."

You Are an Idiot

The whole argument of skill between Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 eventually comes down to the amount of players a person will play in Halo compared to Halo 2. Halo never had Xbox LIVE and XbConnect wasn't anything to be proud of. The only multiplayer people would ever get is through LAN parties. And sure, you could kick your friends' ass each week at a LAN party, but that didn't mean you were "good." It just meant you were better than your friends.

Now that you have Halo 2 online, you're facing people that are better. Halo 2 isn't a "rush to the power weapons." And anybody who disagrees with me simply must not know how to use a SMG. I have taken out swords, rockets, snipers, BRs and every other weapon in the game with a well placed grenade, some good aiming and quick dodging. It's not that hard to do. I'm a 34 but don't consider myself anything more than above average.

Now all of you Halo supporters who call yourselves "Pros," I have a question for you. Why do you need a BR to be able to defend yourself? I can see your point on maps like Coagulation and Burial Mounds. But I can't see why you need a Battle Rifle start for every map. You don't want variety in the game. You want the power weapons to be on the same level as the other weapons. And that's where your argument is faulty.

In all FPS, there are more powerful weapons. You are rewarded for getting those weapons before the other person. I don't see the point in getting a sword if I can get shot three times in the head in a close distance before I can kill him. I don't see the point in getting a sniper rifle if somebody can gun me down from across the map in a matter of seconds. I don't see the point of getting a rocket launcher if I get gunned down by one person in close quarters before the rocket kills him.

You see my point? The brash generalization that "everybody started with Pistols in Halo" is false. The default setting was a plasma pistol. And it goes back to the isolated groups you play with. Your group might start with the Pistol, and groups you know might have started with them. But that doesn't mean every group started with them.

This argument is null, on either sides. You're all a bunch of mindless idiots arguing at each other to the point where no side is better than the other. Halo 3 is not going to be Halo just like Halo 2 is not going to be Halo. Halo 3 will be Halo 3. Halo 2 was Halo 2. And Halo will be Halo.

If you want to play Halo so bad, go dig out your copy and play it. There's no need in limiting the creative aspects of Bungie because you're too timid or afraid to try something new. And please, quit complaining about stupid stuff like Chief getting out on the different side of the Ghost. Is that honestly a gamebreaker for you? I mean, I would hate to think that a great game could be ruined because the main character exits a vehicle in a different way than before.

  • 07.14.2006 1:10 PM PDT