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Subject: 3 better be more like CE... not 2.

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  • 07.14.2006 1:12 PM PDT
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For the last time, the BR was created for longer, better fights between two players with brs...in most instances where two players with pistols duel, the one who gets the first shot will almost always win. The pistols is/was overpowered, and you need to face it...

  • 07.14.2006 1:13 PM PDT

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I love Halo 2 cause it has cool weapons, just like CE..the weapons just need to be tweaked, so they take time to learn to use effectively.

Halo took far more skill than Halo 2 took to be good at..so I'd liek that to come back as well.

The campaign makes me sick in Halo 2..everything is extremely linear, and scrunched together..and I'm always afraid to use my more powerful weapons, because the enemies don't seem...intimidatiing. Why do the Elites spea perfect english in Halo 2? It takes away from the overall experience of fighting a ruthless Alien race.

Why the hell does the Rocket launcher have Aim Assist in Halo 2? Same with the Sniper.

The matchmaking is what makes Halo 2 so great..if they had one of those Optimatch systems like the other games do, everyone would be playing on Lockout, Midship, or Coagulation.

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  • 07.14.2006 1:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Master Fox
The whole argument of skill between Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 eventually comes down to the amount of players a person will play in Halo compared to Halo 2. Halo never had Xbox LIVE and XbConnect wasn't anything to be proud of. The only multiplayer people would ever get is through LAN parties. And sure, you could kick your friends' ass each week at a LAN party, but that didn't mean you were "good." It just meant you were better than your friends.

Now that you have Halo 2 online, you're facing people that are better. Halo 2 isn't a "rush to the power weapons." And anybody who disagrees with me simply must not know how to use a SMG. I have taken out swords, rockets, snipers, BRs and every other weapon in the game with a well placed grenade, some good aiming and quick dodging. It's not that hard to do. I'm a 34 but don't consider myself anything more than above average.

Now all of you Halo supporters who call yourselves "Pros," I have a question for you. Why do you need a BR to be able to defend yourself? I can see your point on maps like Coagulation and Burial Mounds. But I can't see why you need a Battle Rifle start for every map. You don't want variety in the game. You want the power weapons to be on the same level as the other weapons. And that's where your argument is faulty.

In all FPS, there are more powerful weapons. You are rewarded for getting those weapons before the other person. I don't see the point in getting a sword if I can get shot three times in the head in a close distance before I can kill him. I don't see the point in getting a sniper rifle if somebody can gun me down from across the map in a matter of seconds. I don't see the point of getting a rocket launcher if I get gunned down by one person in close quarters before the rocket kills him.

You see my point? The brash generalization that "everybody started with Pistols in Halo" is false. The default setting was a plasma pistol. And it goes back to the isolated groups you play with. Your group might start with the Pistol, and groups you know might have started with them. But that doesn't mean every group started with them.

This argument is null, on either sides. You're all a bunch of mindless idiots arguing at each other to the point where no side is better than the other. Halo 3 is not going to be Halo just like Halo 2 is not going to be Halo. Halo 3 will be Halo 3. Halo 2 was Halo 2. And Halo will be Halo.

If you want to play Halo so bad, go dig out your copy and play it. There's no need in limiting the creative aspects of Bungie because you're too timid or afraid to try something new. And please, quit complaining about stupid stuff like Chief getting out on the different side of the Ghost. Is that honestly a gamebreaker for you? I mean, I would hate to think that a great game could be ruined because the main character exits a vehicle in a different way than before.


Could not have said it better myself^^^

  • 07.14.2006 1:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheColdWolf
If Team Swat became ranked, would there still be no shields?


Amazing!

Posted by: returnfire14
I agree, but halo ce was not on live was

Change your signature.

Halo 2's going down the hole and losing playrs?

That's why they've had more players playing average per day than it has been in the past few months.

  • 07.14.2006 1:32 PM PDT

Posted by: bayareaboss510
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Posted by: TheColdWolf
If Team Swat became ranked, would there still be no shields?


Amazing!

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa

The campaign makes me sick in Halo 2..everything is extremely linear, and scrunched together..and I'm always afraid to use my more powerful weapons, because the enemies don't seem...intimidatiing. Why do the Elites spea perfect english in Halo 2? It takes away from the overall experience of fighting a ruthless Alien race..

Grunts speak English on Halo: CE as well.

  • 07.14.2006 1:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Striker029
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa

The campaign makes me sick in Halo 2..everything is extremely linear, and scrunched together..and I'm always afraid to use my more powerful weapons, because the enemies don't seem...intimidatiing. Why do the Elites spea perfect english in Halo 2? It takes away from the overall experience of fighting a ruthless Alien race..

Grunts speak English on Halo: CE as well.

Elites also speak their tongue sometimes. I think the Chief has some kind of translator or something like that. I can't see why people are complaining about an alien speaks English.

  • 07.14.2006 1:36 PM PDT
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That's not going to happen. Why? cuz halo 1 was more for the hardcore gamers, seeing as it took alot more skill than simply picking up 2 guns and holding down the triggers. Bungie wants to make the game fun for both casual and hardcore gamers. That's why we have MLG. As for the campaign, i agree with you. The campaign was horrible in H2. In halo:ce the only thing i hated was the flood. They just run/jump at you and you shoot them in the face, wasn't challenging and basicly was a waste of time. In H2 i hated almost every aspect of the campaign. It seemed boring, there were flood and the stupid alien known as the Arbiter, who hopefully gets thrown off a cliff in H3. Anyways just don't get your hopes up.

  • 07.14.2006 1:45 PM PDT
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ive got one thing to say and one thing only........ dumbasses

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Can anyone ever give any credible arguments for why they have to give these stupid arguments about Halo 2 vs. Halo 1? Arguments based on the following subjects do not count.

The Arbiter - He is a critical part of the story and a strong character that saw the light (because of the Master Chief) and realized his whole life was a lie. He is part of the Halo canon, deal with it.

The Campaign - It is a natural continuation of the story and was fun to play over and over again.

The Halo 1 Pistol - No soldier would ever use a sidearm as their go-to weapon, this is why Bungie recieved massive criticism from the military and fixed it, for the better, in Halo 2.

The Levels - Most of these people don't understand that the Master Chief actually occupied more levels than the Arbiter in Halo 2. Apparently, they can't count. These levels are also far less repetitive and only three of them rehash Halo 1 (at the maximum).

Weapons - Sure, we all hate it when we don't get the sword or rockets, but proper strategy and teamwork can bring them down. The same goes for duel-wielding, which is not really that strong if you know how to counter it. In Halo 1, nothing could really counter a pistol/Sniper or Pistol/Rocket combo.

The Physics - Halo 1's physics were downright unrealistic (Warthogs flying hundreds of feet in the air after a crash?).

Multiplayer - It's a lot of fun.

Anything else?

  • 07.14.2006 2:03 PM PDT
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i didnt understand a word you typed but i agree

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I never said Halo 2 was the worst -blam!- game ever... I never said that. I made a reference to halo2sucks.com because they make a lot of valid points about Halo 2's faults. ill give you some of the reasons why I think Halo 2 is messed up. Matchmaking: a. On Midship TS we start with a Plasma Rifle, so if I dont get to a BR quick enough I'll die at least 4 times in a row until i get a weapon to compete with a BR. What would be so bad about starting everyone out with a BR? I know a lot of lousy players are going to say "Then it's going to be like Team Hardcore"... who cares, it makes the game have balance. b. Dual Wielding. Why do you think MLG made all their gametypes to NO DUALS? hmmmmm. c. Plasma Sword is a joke of a weapon, this weapon can lunge 15 feet, has no life charge, and can change lunge direction in mid air. Those are just a few things that make the game experience not fun sometimes. I play mathmaking, my GT is: xi prettyreu xi. Check out my stats I'm not some newby crying about getting BR'd in the face. I use BR and I use it well, and shouldnt be flamed on cause I want all games types to start with the best weapon in the game to bring balance to it. All this post was meant to say was I want Halo 3 to be more Balanced like CE. Thats it, get off my case Im just voicing my opinion.

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  • 07.14.2006 2:06 PM PDT
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And to add to that. The 1 thing that also made it not fun was no jumpy control for the non default users. I mean if Bungie couldn't use the L trigger for jumpy cause it would interfere with Duel Wielding than Bungie(which still can and I want them to) should of use the right thumbstick and move the scope to the A button which makes alot more sence but they didn't instead they had to make the game and button layouts around default thumbstick layout.

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Posted by: REUBEN
I never said Halo 2 was the worst -blam!- game ever... I never said that. I made a reference to halo2sucks.com because they make a lot of valid points about Halo 2's faults. ill give you some of the reasons why I think Halo 2 is messed up. Matchmaking: a. On Midship TS we start with a Plasma Rifle, so if I dont get to a BR quick enough I'll die at least 4 times in a row until i get a weapon to compete with a BR. What would be so bad about starting everyone out with a BR? I know a lot of lousy players are going to say "Then it's going to be like Team Hardcore"... who cares, it makes the game have balance. b. Dual Wielding. Why do you think MLG made all their gametypes to NO DUALS? hmmmmm. c. Plasma Sword is a joke of a weapon, this weapon can lunge 15 feet, has no life charge, and can change lunge direction in mid air. Those are just a few things that make the game experience not fun sometimes. I play mathmaking, my GT is: xi prettyreu xi. Check out my stats I'm not some newby crying about getting BR'd in the face. I use BR and I use it well, and shouldnt be flamed on cause I want all games types to start with the best weapon in the game to bring balance to it. All this post was meant to say was I want Halo 3 to be more Balanced like CE. Thats it, get off my case Im just voicing my opinion.


Halo2sucks.com is all slant and little fact, almost like a video game version of Pat Robertson or Jack Thompson.

1. It is relatively easy to kill people with a plasma rifle, if you know how to use it and your grenades effectively (apparently you don't).

2. What? Suddenly, MLG has actual credibility now? (/sarcasm) That's not proper reasoning. Starting out with a one handed weapon is not that bad, IF you know how to play the game!

3. Well, wait, that is if you were stupid enough to get close to the guy in the first place. Granted, I can kill a swordsman with dual SMGs, but the sword is useless against long range weapons, use them. Everything has a counter.

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  • 07.14.2006 2:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
The Halo 1 Pistol - No soldier would ever use a sidearm as their go-to weapon, this is why Bungie recieved massive criticism from the military and fixed it, for the better, in Halo 2.



Lol. Thats funny. Bungie makes games for themselves, yet they care what the military says. Please provide something to back that up. And no offense, but this game is in the distant future, so what would the military now know what the military in the future is going to do. I love both games, but your argument about this is just lame. If you want that type of realism, go play the other "i wanna be a real-life soldier boy games" like GRAW. Leave the fantasy FPS's alone with your wannabe realism. And how would you know what anything is going to be like that far ahead in the future?

On another note, lets think military strategy, shall we? Hmmm....should i carry a burdensome rifle that takes 4 3-round bursts to kill the aliens, or shall i carry a POSSIBLE three shot, much lighter pistol that will do ot even better. How's that for your "military realism"

  • 07.14.2006 2:17 PM PDT
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Check the Halo 2 LE Bonus Disk. They recieved criticism from the United States Military and part of the team went out to a shooting range with the Marines to see how it really works.

As for your argument about pistol vs. rifle, a pistol is used by a soldier as a last resort, in every situation, ever. Other reasons for using a pistol is that the current weapon (i.e. a sniper rifle) is ineffective for your situation (such as being indoors).

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  • 07.14.2006 2:19 PM PDT
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"Better be more like CE... not 2", or what? What are you going to do that would possibly make a difference to Bungie? Really?

  • 07.14.2006 2:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Check the Halo 2 LE Bonus Disk. They recieved criticism from the United States Military and part of the team went out to a shooting range with the Marines to see how it really works.


I have the bonus disk. But you failed to respond to both of my points about your wannabe realism. Again, would any REAL military want their soldiers to have a heavier, less effective rifle when they could have a lighter, more effective pistol. Think about it. Less weight, more movement, more productivity. And again, what the hell does the military now know about 500 years form now....nothing

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Posted by: REUBEN
Yeah, Halo: CE rapes Halo 2... in every possible way. Bring the format of Halo 3 back to the original ways of Halo: CE. Stop listening to idiots who never played CE, and listen to real players who know Halo 2 was the biggest failure for a sequel (Campaign & Matchmaking). Listen to all those letters from halo2sucks.com, and truely work on making Halo 3 somewhat of a good game. You might gain a lot of your true good Halo players back.
You lack taste. You also don't like change or new things. I can tell.

Why the Hell do people want HALO 3 to be a friggin' clone of CE? It's a diffrent game. If you want to play Halo Combat Evolved, play it. not a mock up of it. Halo 3 should be a blend of Halo 2 style gameplay, Halo Combat Evolved, but most of all, its own unique elements.

Hopfully you all will agree with me because that's the only way to keep everyone happy.

Post above: Um... why should a secondary weapon be stronger than a primary weapon? That makes no sense. A game doesn't have to be realisitc, it just has to make sense.

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Check the Halo 2 LE Bonus Disk. They recieved criticism from the United States Military and part of the team went out to a shooting range with the Marines to see how it really works.

As for your argument about pistol vs. rifle, a pistol is used by a soldier as a last resort, in every situation, ever. Other reasons for using a pistol is that the current weapon (i.e. a sniper rifle) is ineffective for your situation (such as being indoors).


Again, this is not some stupid, I wanted to be in the military but I can't FPS's. And thank God its not. And you just had to say the pistol was a sniper, so here you go(and like i said, I enjoy both games, but your arguments, as well as most, are null)

All pistol haters say the same thing....it's like a sniper, it makes the game unbalanced, u wouldn't use any other weapon in the game..blah blah blah. The only rule i lived by was i never dropped my pistol(unless it was for the shotgun and sniper rifle combo), but it was far from being the only weapon used. As i've said numerous times, if you have an argument against the pistol in halo3, please do so referencing these points:

1. Everyone spawns with a pistol. The only advantage here is skill, if you didn't have it, u practiced.
2. 3 shot kills were a rare occurence. You had to be REALLY GOOD to consistently get 3 shot kills.
3.The pistol is not all powerful....i've taken down and seen people take down pistol weilders with everything from the assault rifle to the little plasma pistol, so it was definetly not the "win all" weapon people try to claim it to be.
4. 3 shot kills were a reward for skill. If they keep the shield system like it is in halo2, all one needs to do is hide and recharge, meaning no more three shot kills unless you're extremely good.(i can only hope they'll bring back the health system)
5.It is not the battle rifle in another skin, The BR is way too slow comparitively(sp). If anything is comparable, possible the carbine.
6. Spawing w/ the pistol meant that at anytime, and in any instance, you had a chance at defending yourself, even in times of facing a Rocket launcher carrier or sniper(within range).
7.The sniper rifle has up to 10x zoom, the pistol a mere 2x....no where close to being a sniper rifle replacement

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
Posted by: REUBEN
Yeah, Halo: CE rapes Halo 2... in every possible way. Bring the format of Halo 3 back to the original ways of Halo: CE. Stop listening to idiots who never played CE, and listen to real players who know Halo 2 was the biggest failure for a sequel (Campaign & Matchmaking). Listen to all those letters from halo2sucks.com, and truely work on making Halo 3 somewhat of a good game. You might gain a lot of your true good Halo players back.
You lack taste. You also don't like change or new things. I can tell.

Why the Hell do people want HALO 3 to be a friggin' clone of CE? It's a diffrent game. If you want to play Halo Combat Evolved, play it. not a mock up of it. Halo 3 should be a blend of Halo 2 style gameplay, Halo Combat Evolved, but most of all, its own unique elements.

Hopfully you all will agree with me because that's the only way to keep everyone happy.

Post above: Um... why should a secondary weapon be stronger than a primary weapon? That makes no sense. A game doesn't have to be realisitc, it just has to make sense.


Umm, read my post. It actually makes more sense.
A. ITs the future, so i would imagine our technology is better than now, and we can have a pistol that acts better than a rifle.
B. It weighs less, therefore would be more ideal than a rifle, considering it's also more effective.
C. You say it's a sidearm. I take it you've never been hunting. Pick up a pistol magazine one day, you'll see plenty of MODERN pistols that are more powerful than rifles

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Check the Halo 2 LE Bonus Disk. They recieved criticism from the United States Military and part of the team went out to a shooting range with the Marines to see how it really works.


I have the bonus disk. But you failed to respond to both of my points about your wannabe realism. Again, would any REAL military want their soldiers to have a heavier, less effective rifle when they could have a lighter, more effective pistol. Think about it. Less weight, more movement, more productivity. And again, what the hell does the military now know about 500 years form now....nothing


I severely doubt that the military would change it's training in that manner other than to incorporate the advancements in technology. That's just the way it works. Pistol or not, the tactics and other elements remain similar, because they can adapt to changing warfare.

As for your argument about weight, the soldiers should be strong enough to carry the rifle. If they can't, then they would not have passed Basic. Basic training is slightly mentioned by Sargeant Johnson in Halo 2 and gone into greater detail with the Helljumpers in the books.

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Posted by: Usedtabe
Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Check the Halo 2 LE Bonus Disk. They recieved criticism from the United States Military and part of the team went out to a shooting range with the Marines to see how it really works.


I have the bonus disk. But you failed to respond to both of my points about your wannabe realism. Again, would any REAL military want their soldiers to have a heavier, less effective rifle when they could have a lighter, more effective pistol. Think about it. Less weight, more movement, more productivity. And again, what the hell does the military now know about 500 years form now....nothing


I severely doubt that the military would change it's training in that manner other than to incorporate the advancements in technology. That's just the way it works. Pistol or not, the tactics and other elements remain similar, because they can adapt to changing warfare.

As for your argument about weight, the soldiers should be strong enough to carry the rifle. If they can't, then they would not have passed Basic. Basic training is slightly mentioned by Sargeant Johnson in Halo 2 and gone into greater detail with the Helljumpers in the books.



I'll give you that. Good post. But 2 things:
1. Again, it is the future, therefore none of us can predict what is and isn't reality for the future.
2. Common sense says that even though you can carry the heavier weapon, It makes more sense to have a smaller, more effective weapon at your disposal.

And although I loved the pistol, and would love its return, I'm not arguing for that here. I'm just stating that most people's arguments against the pistol are extremely flawed

  • 07.14.2006 2:32 PM PDT