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Posted by: Usedtabe
Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Check the Halo 2 LE Bonus Disk. They recieved criticism from the United States Military and part of the team went out to a shooting range with the Marines to see how it really works.

As for your argument about pistol vs. rifle, a pistol is used by a soldier as a last resort, in every situation, ever. Other reasons for using a pistol is that the current weapon (i.e. a sniper rifle) is ineffective for your situation (such as being indoors).


Again, this is not some stupid, I wanted to be in the military but I can't FPS's. And thank God its not. And you just had to say the pistol was a sniper, so here you go(and like i said, I enjoy both games, but your arguments, as well as most, are null)

All pistol haters say the same thing....it's like a sniper, it makes the game unbalanced, u wouldn't use any other weapon in the game..blah blah blah. The only rule i lived by was i never dropped my pistol(unless it was for the shotgun and sniper rifle combo), but it was far from being the only weapon used. As i've said numerous times, if you have an argument against the pistol in halo3, please do so referencing these points:

1. Everyone spawns with a pistol. The only advantage here is skill, if you didn't have it, u practiced.
2. 3 shot kills were a rare occurence. You had to be REALLY GOOD to consistently get 3 shot kills.
3.The pistol is not all powerful....i've taken down and seen people take down pistol weilders with everything from the assault rifle to the little plasma pistol, so it was definetly not the "win all" weapon people try to claim it to be.
4. 3 shot kills were a reward for skill. If they keep the shield system like it is in halo2, all one needs to do is hide and recharge, meaning no more three shot kills unless you're extremely good.(i can only hope they'll bring back the health system)
5.It is not the battle rifle in another skin, The BR is way too slow comparitively(sp). If anything is comparable, possible the carbine.
6. Spawing w/ the pistol meant that at anytime, and in any instance, you had a chance at defending yourself, even in times of facing a Rocket launcher carrier or sniper(within range).
7.The sniper rifle has up to 10x zoom, the pistol a mere 2x....no where close to being a sniper rifle replacement
Again, I think a primary weapon(Assault Rifle, Battle Rifle) should pack more punch than a pistol. 3 shots is too much, not basing this on unbalancment, but it just doesn't add up, you have shields, which are supposed to be stronger than an Elites, Titanium-A armor. And under than I think it's a type of nylon or something, the black leathery stuff. I think it should repel more than 3 bullets. IT would make more sense with the battle Rifle.

But it can't be in Halo 3 anyway. Duel weilding. once a big function is put in it cannot be taken out. Duel weilding M6D's would be like killing someone in two shots, fire two shots at once, and another 1 or 2 to finish 'em off. That's way too much easy killing, plus that's 24 shots there.

To help make a better pistol, but not something too strong, an M6B. Which I think is discribed in the books, not accurate, but packs a good punch, should kill in about 6 shots. I think that would work a lot better.

A rifle should always be stronger than a pistol. That's why they introduced the Battle Rifle.

[Edited on 7/14/2006]

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
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Halo2sucks.com is all slant and little fact, almost like a video game version of Pat Robertson or Jack Thompson.

1. It is relatively easy to kill people with a plasma rifle, if you know how to use it and your grenades effectively (apparently you don't).

2. What? Suddenly, MLG has actual credibility now? (/sarcasm) That's not proper reasoning. Starting out with a one handed weapon is not that bad, IF you know how to play the game!

3. Well, wait, that is if you were stupid enough to get close to the guy in the first place. Granted, I can kill a swordsman with dual SMGs, but the sword is useless against long range weapons, use them. Everything has a counter.


Im pretty sure i can use grenades right... I'm pretty sure youve never played Team Slayer past level 25, and dont know what a game full of skilled players is like. send me a FR: xi prettyreu xi. I'll play you 1 vs. 1, I'm pretty sure I'll beat you really badly. MLG does have credibility, their gametypes have balance and are really fun to play. The only way you get kills is with an SMG cause you suck. Getting too close to the swordsman? If you ever played in a game with skilled players youd know that we dont walk around with the sword hanging out like you do. You dont know they have sword until they get close to you then jump, whip it out, and kill you with it. Your post is completly worthless... keep all the bull-blam!- to yourself.

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
Posted by: Usedtabe
Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Check the Halo 2 LE Bonus Disk. They recieved criticism from the United States Military and part of the team went out to a shooting range with the Marines to see how it really works.

As for your argument about pistol vs. rifle, a pistol is used by a soldier as a last resort, in every situation, ever. Other reasons for using a pistol is that the current weapon (i.e. a sniper rifle) is ineffective for your situation (such as being indoors).


Again, this is not some stupid, I wanted to be in the military but I can't FPS's. And thank God its not. And you just had to say the pistol was a sniper, so here you go(and like i said, I enjoy both games, but your arguments, as well as most, are null)

All pistol haters say the same thing....it's like a sniper, it makes the game unbalanced, u wouldn't use any other weapon in the game..blah blah blah. The only rule i lived by was i never dropped my pistol(unless it was for the shotgun and sniper rifle combo), but it was far from being the only weapon used. As i've said numerous times, if you have an argument against the pistol in halo3, please do so referencing these points:

1. Everyone spawns with a pistol. The only advantage here is skill, if you didn't have it, u practiced.
2. 3 shot kills were a rare occurence. You had to be REALLY GOOD to consistently get 3 shot kills.
3.The pistol is not all powerful....i've taken down and seen people take down pistol weilders with everything from the assault rifle to the little plasma pistol, so it was definetly not the "win all" weapon people try to claim it to be.
4. 3 shot kills were a reward for skill. If they keep the shield system like it is in halo2, all one needs to do is hide and recharge, meaning no more three shot kills unless you're extremely good.(i can only hope they'll bring back the health system)
5.It is not the battle rifle in another skin, The BR is way too slow comparitively(sp). If anything is comparable, possible the carbine.
6. Spawing w/ the pistol meant that at anytime, and in any instance, you had a chance at defending yourself, even in times of facing a Rocket launcher carrier or sniper(within range).
7.The sniper rifle has up to 10x zoom, the pistol a mere 2x....no where close to being a sniper rifle replacement
Again, I think a primary weapon(Assault Rifle, Battle Rifle) should pack more punch than a pistol. 3 shots is too much, not basing this on unbalancment, but it just doesn't add up, you have shields, which are supposed to be stronger than an Elites, Titanium-A armor. And under than I think it's a type of nylon or something, the black leathery stuff. I think it should repel more than 3 bullets. IT would make more sense with the battle Rifle.

But it can't be in Halo 3 anyway. Duel weilding. once a big function is put in it cannot be taken out. Duel weilding M6D's would be like killing someone in two shots, fire two shots at once, and another 1 or 2 to finish 'em off. That's way too much easy killing, plus that's 24 shots there.

To help make a better pistol, but not something too strong, an M6B. Which I think is discribed in the books, not accurate, but packs a good punch, should kill in about 6 shots. I think that would work a lot better.

A rifle should always be stronger than a pistol. That's why they introduced the Battle Rifle.


Agree with some of those points. But, as I said earlier, even in modern times we have pistols that are stronger than rifles. And, although I would enjoy the reinstatement of the pistol, I'm not arguing for that here.As I said above, I'm just showing that most arguments against the pistol are flawed.

And I am definitely not someone who wants the m6d dual weilded. I enjoy gameplay balance, not cheesy ownage

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1. How about a Battle Rifle? That's more than enough.
2. No way. When I was playing Halo 1, I was able to get three headshot kills from across Blood Gulch, everyone and my younger brother could do the same.
3. It is not a win-all weapon if you don't know how to aim, same with the Battle Rifle. That kind of work is only really usable if you get the drop on them.
4. How is it that skillful if it is so powerful of a weapon? And why take a step backwards, health was still in Halo 2 (this has been documented), it is just not visible on the HUD.
5. If there is any good argument that you have, it is this one, but does this point really matter?
6. Have you actually seen what a sniper rifle can do in comparison to a pistol? Google some war pictures.
7. See Number 2.

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Posted by: The1337Dude
"Better be more like CE... not 2", or what? What are you going to do that would possibly make a difference to Bungie? Really?


Yeah cause I was really trying to put a threat on Bungie... haha, stuuuupid.

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Posted by: REUBEN
Posted by: The Gunshark 360
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Halo2sucks.com is all slant and little fact, almost like a video game version of Pat Robertson or Jack Thompson.

1. It is relatively easy to kill people with a plasma rifle, if you know how to use it and your grenades effectively (apparently you don't).

2. What? Suddenly, MLG has actual credibility now? (/sarcasm) That's not proper reasoning. Starting out with a one handed weapon is not that bad, IF you know how to play the game!

3. Well, wait, that is if you were stupid enough to get close to the guy in the first place. Granted, I can kill a swordsman with dual SMGs, but the sword is useless against long range weapons, use them. Everything has a counter.


Im pretty sure i can use grenades right... I'm pretty sure youve never played Team Slayer past level 25, and dont know what a game full of skilled players is like. send me a FR: xi prettyreu xi. I'll play you 1 vs. 1, I'm pretty sure I'll beat you really badly. MLG does have credibility, their gametypes have balance and are really fun to play. The only way you get kills is with an SMG cause you suck. Getting too close to the swordsman? If you ever played in a game with skilled players youd know that we dont walk around with the sword hanging out like you do. You dont know they have sword until they get close to you then jump, whip it out, and kill you with it. Your post is completly worthless... keep all the bull-blam!- to yourself.
Um...a skilled player can use any weapon to take you out. I don't need a Battle Rifle. I use what I can find.

This thread should die. To many flamefights and off topicness.

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Posted by: REUBEN
Posted by: The Gunshark 360
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Halo2sucks.com is all slant and little fact, almost like a video game version of Pat Robertson or Jack Thompson.

1. It is relatively easy to kill people with a plasma rifle, if you know how to use it and your grenades effectively (apparently you don't).

2. What? Suddenly, MLG has actual credibility now? (/sarcasm) That's not proper reasoning. Starting out with a one handed weapon is not that bad, IF you know how to play the game!

3. Well, wait, that is if you were stupid enough to get close to the guy in the first place. Granted, I can kill a swordsman with dual SMGs, but the sword is useless against long range weapons, use them. Everything has a counter.


Im pretty sure i can use grenades right... I'm pretty sure youve never played Team Slayer past level 25, and dont know what a game full of skilled players is like. send me a FR: xi prettyreu xi. I'll play you 1 vs. 1, I'm pretty sure I'll beat you really badly. MLG does have credibility, their gametypes have balance and are really fun to play. The only way you get kills is with an SMG cause you suck. Getting too close to the swordsman? If you ever played in a game with skilled players youd know that we dont walk around with the sword hanging out like you do. You dont know they have sword until they get close to you then jump, whip it out, and kill you with it. Your post is completly worthless... keep all the bull-blam!- to yourself.


- I bet you that I have played a game with level 25's and above (half of my friends list is that way).

- If you see someone take the sword, you will be able to stay away from them if you track them.

- If I do use the sword (which is rare, I am a Battle Rifle acolyte), I put it away and draw it if people get close to me.

- I said that I can kill a swordsman with SMGs. It's not that hard if you know how to dodge.

- Whiny Insults just do not cut it. Welcome to Bungie.net, you have no rights - Play Nice.

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
1. How about a Battle Rifle? That's more than enough.
2. No way. When I was playing Halo 1, I was able to get three headshot kills from across Blood Gulch, everyone and my younger brother could do the same.
3. It is not a win-all weapon if you don't know how to aim, same with the Battle Rifle. That kind of work is only really usable if you get the drop on them.
4. How is it that skillful if it is so powerful of a weapon? And why take a step backwards, health was still in Halo 2 (this has been documented), it is just not visible on the HUD.
5. If there is any good argument that you have, it is this one, but does this point really matter?
6. Have you actually seen what a sniper rifle can do in comparison to a pistol? Google some war pictures.
7. See Number 2.


1. I like the BR, no complaints there
2.Blatant lie. If i stand at one base at Blood gulch, and you stand at another, you can barely snipe me with the sniper rifle, much less the pistol. Yes, it had some distance, but not as far as you claim.
3. Thats what i was saying.
4.Again, I would like to see it again, but not arguing for it. This is just a counter to those idiotic "I hate the pistol" rants people try to pass as facts.
5.This is to those who claim we "already have the pistol, its called the BR". Nothing more
6.Yes I have. Have you seen what a nice hunting magnum can do to a person? Again, you're talking modern times. This game is in the future. Weapons are going to be more powerful. Including pistols
7.Again, blatant lie

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The campaign makes me sick in Halo 2..everything is extremely linear, and scrunched together..and I'm always afraid to use my more powerful weapons, because the enemies don't seem...intimidatiing. Why do the Elites spea perfect english in Halo 2? It takes away from the overall experience of fighting a ruthless Alien race..

Grunts speak English on Halo: CE as well.

Elites also speak their tongue sometimes. I think the Chief has some kind of translator or something like that. I can't see why people are complaining about an alien speaks English.
The Elites' language is not toally known to us (they were recently encountered for the first time by Master Chief directly before Halo, at Reach) so yo uwould get the basics to what they're saying - but you wouldn't know to the extent they say in Halo 2.

It really seems like he's some Olde English King stating to me why I am dying, after he kills me. It makes me sick.

Elites speaking in their Warbled toung and yelling "WORT WORT WORT" as they shoot their loud, dangerous sounding Plasma Weaponns (only in Halo did they sound like this..no 2 ;-)) at my face..then Swearing loudly in their language as I stick their own Plasma Grenade to thei Spiky Helmet is a wondeful thing.

The Aliens in Halo seemed much more mysterious because of this little thing, and in Halo 2 the y seemd evem more familiar..both because it's the second game AND we understand everything they say now.

It really takes away from the "Viscious Alien Jugegrnaut taking over the Galaxy".

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if your noobish and you know it keep posting stupid things on this thread and you will be the most retarded person in history

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To continue, if pistols are going to be more powerful, so will rifles. And shotguns, etc. So either way a rifle should just be more powerful. Common sense, but not really realisitc which is not what everyone wants.

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Let the ninja smiting begin!

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Let the ninja smiting begin!

i dont get it

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
To continue, if pistols are going to be more powerful, so will rifles. And shotguns, etc. So either way a rifle should just be more powerful. Common sense, but not really realisitc which is not what everyone wants.


Good point. I agree. But, to argue the validity of the pistol is utterly ridiculous. Obvioiusly people can have their opinions, but too many times they themselves forget that they are just opinions, and not facts. I love both games, though I slightly lean towards the MP of Halo:CE. Doesn't mean that I'm right though. But I'm also not on the forums stating that this or that weapon is "tot4lly teh suxxorz!!!11" . I just find it intriguing what people say against the pistol. It was perfect for CE, and it could have worked In Halo2, obviously with some tweaks to it. But Bungie made their decision, and I hope it will return to H3, and tailored for H3

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i think your just a noob. you cried your river, now i'm building a bridge so you can get over it. i think your crazy. like gnarls barkley crazy. halo 2 is different. it's still skill based. i've never seen somebody who sucked at halo ce -blam!- at halo 2. it is like halo, not halo ce, not halo 2, it's what it is. it's halo 3.

[Edited on 7/14/2006]

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your the most retarded person in the world, what are you gonna do with the money you earned?

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Halo = New Standalone game from Bungie (started telling a story)
Halo 2 = second in the series (but a separate and different game)
Halo 3 = third in the series (and also likely to be a separate and different game)

You may have noticed, it's not

Halo
Halo 2004
Halo 2007 (tournament edition)

Games that are much like the previous one and only have small incremental changes tend to put the year at the end of the title to show that it's "lasts years version, but slightly modified".

Bungie doesn't do that. So called "true fans" would know that.
I do agree on the fact that Halo 3 should not be another Halo CE, but I do think it should bear a lot of resemblances to it.

For me, Halo 2 was just way too different. I dunno why, but it was. There were too many things cut that were shown to us, and there wasn't any similarity to the first game. Some things had pointless changes to them; like Chief getting out of the left side of the ghost instead of the right. Why make changes like that when other things can be done? And why add in a bunch of similar weapons? Nearly every human weapon has a covenant counter-part with little difference between them. The shotgun = the sword. The SMG = plasma rifle. The plasma rifle = brute plasma rifle. The magnum = plasma pistol. The rocket launcher = fuel rod cannon. The BR = carbine. The beam rifle = sniper rifle. The normal sentinel beam = gold sentinel beam. Although I do enjoy the carbine (it's my favorite weapon), the only really unique weapons are the brute shot and needler. Everything else serves no purpose.

There are three automatic weapons: SMG, PR, and BPR. In the first game, they would have related to the AR and the PR/ But now, there is no difference between them. The PR has now lost its freeze effect and has picked up a massive amount of auto-aim. The SMG is just a watered-down AR and also has a bunch of auto-aim. And then the BPR made a pointless appearance too. It was nothing but a PR with some minor tweaks.

That's not to say that I "hate" Halo 2. I do like a lot of things about it, like boarding, boosting, etc. But I just think it was not a true sequel. I don't agree with the topic-starter when he says that Halo 2 fans are "retards" or whatever; but I do think Halo 3 should at least include some of the long-lost features of Halo 1.


Now I see why you go to Halo2sucks.com....

You know why Halo 2 was different? It's because it was a BRAND NEW GAME!! That seems to be the hardest concept for everyone in the Halo 3 forum to grasp...HALO 3 is going to be a BRAND NEW GAME!! Not Halo 1 all over again...

Halo 3 is NOT going to be Halo 1's campaign, halo 2's multiplayer....it's going to be a WHOLE DIFFERENT NEW GAME!!!

Vitamin, I don't mind that you go to halo2sucks.com....it's just that you guys complain over stupid stuff...like you posted above, Master Chief gets out the left side instead of the right...so what? In Halo 3, Master Chief might jump off the back of the ghost when getting out...that won't bother me any.

So, I agree with everything that Recon has said...Halo 3 is going to be it's own game. THANK GOD!!

Alas, posting in the Halo 3 forum means my post getting read is .003%...

Halo2 > Halo 1

That's how it is...

[Edited on 7/14/2006]

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Posted by: Usedtabe
Posted by: HaloFighter92
To continue, if pistols are going to be more powerful, so will rifles. And shotguns, etc. So either way a rifle should just be more powerful. Common sense, but not really realisitc which is not what everyone wants.


Good point. I agree. But, to argue the validity of the pistol is utterly ridiculous. Obvioiusly people can have their opinions, but too many times they themselves forget that they are just opinions, and not facts. I love both games, though I slightly lean towards the MP of Halo:CE. Doesn't mean that I'm right though. But I'm also not on the forums stating that this or that weapon is "tot4lly teh suxxorz!!!11" . I just find it intriguing what people say against the pistol. It was perfect for CE, and it could have worked In Halo2, obviously with some tweaks to it. But Bungie made their decision, and I hope it will return to H3, and tailored for H3
I'm just saying. I know it's your opinon, I respect that, i just want to have an intelligent debate.

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Posted by: I Am Ding Ding
Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Halo = New Standalone game from Bungie (started telling a story)
Halo 2 = second in the series (but a separate and different game)
Halo 3 = third in the series (and also likely to be a separate and different game)

You may have noticed, it's not

Halo
Halo 2004
Halo 2007 (tournament edition)

Games that are much like the previous one and only have small incremental changes tend to put the year at the end of the title to show that it's "lasts years version, but slightly modified".

Bungie doesn't do that. So called "true fans" would know that.
I do agree on the fact that Halo 3 should not be another Halo CE, but I do think it should bear a lot of resemblances to it.

For me, Halo 2 was just way too different. I dunno why, but it was. There were too many things cut that were shown to us, and there wasn't any similarity to the first game. Some things had pointless changes to them; like Chief getting out of the left side of the ghost instead of the right. Why make changes like that when other things can be done? And why add in a bunch of similar weapons? Nearly every human weapon has a covenant counter-part with little difference between them. The shotgun = the sword. The SMG = plasma rifle. The plasma rifle = brute plasma rifle. The magnum = plasma pistol. The rocket launcher = fuel rod cannon. The BR = carbine. The beam rifle = sniper rifle. The normal sentinel beam = gold sentinel beam. Although I do enjoy the carbine (it's my favorite weapon), the only really unique weapons are the brute shot and needler. Everything else serves no purpose.

There are three automatic weapons: SMG, PR, and BPR. In the first game, they would have related to the AR and the PR/ But now, there is no difference between them. The PR has now lost its freeze effect and has picked up a massive amount of auto-aim. The SMG is just a watered-down AR and also has a bunch of auto-aim. And then the BPR made a pointless appearance too. It was nothing but a PR with some minor tweaks.

That's not to say that I "hate" Halo 2. I do like a lot of things about it, like boarding, boosting, etc. But I just think it was not a true sequel. I don't agree with the topic-starter when he says that Halo 2 fans are "retards" or whatever; but I do think Halo 3 should at least include some of the long-lost features of Halo 1.


Now I see why you go to Halo2sucks.com....

You know why Halo 2 was different? It's because it was a BRAND NEW GAME!! That seems to be the hardest concept for everyone in the Halo 3 forum to grasp...HALO 3 is going to be a BRAND NEW GAME!! Not Halo 1 all over again...

Halo 3 is NOT going to be Halo 1's campaign, halo 2's multiplayer....it's going to be a WHOLE DIFFERENT NEW GAME!!!

Vitamin, I don't mind that you go to halo2sucks.com....it's just that you guys complain over stupid stuff...like you posted above, Master Chief gets out the left side instead of the right...so what? In Halo 3, Master Chief might jump off the back of the ghost when getting out...that won't bother me any.

So, I agree with everything that Recon has said...Halo 3 is going to be it's own game. THANK GOD!!

Alas, posting in the Halo 3 forum means my post getting read is .003%...

Halo2 > Halo 1

That's how it is...


Ahhh Ding Ding, just as the flames have settled you show up with a gas can and that goofy "I'm gonna start some -blam!- smile" lol.

Halo 2 is not greater than halo:ce. If you really understood Recons post, it very well stated that no game was better than the other, they're all different. Therefore, all there is left is personal preference.So, that's not how it is

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whos intelligent in this forum, you people talk about the same stuff that was posted last year in the halo 2 forums!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: Striker029
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa

The campaign makes me sick in Halo 2..everything is extremely linear, and scrunched together..and I'm always afraid to use my more powerful weapons, because the enemies don't seem...intimidatiing. Why do the Elites spea perfect english in Halo 2? It takes away from the overall experience of fighting a ruthless Alien race..

Grunts speak English on Halo: CE as well.
I'm pretty sure he said "elites," not "grunts."

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
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Posted by: HaloFighter92
To continue, if pistols are going to be more powerful, so will rifles. And shotguns, etc. So either way a rifle should just be more powerful. Common sense, but not really realisitc which is not what everyone wants.


Good point. I agree. But, to argue the validity of the pistol is utterly ridiculous. Obvioiusly people can have their opinions, but too many times they themselves forget that they are just opinions, and not facts. I love both games, though I slightly lean towards the MP of Halo:CE. Doesn't mean that I'm right though. But I'm also not on the forums stating that this or that weapon is "tot4lly teh suxxorz!!!11" . I just find it intriguing what people say against the pistol. It was perfect for CE, and it could have worked In Halo2, obviously with some tweaks to it. But Bungie made their decision, and I hope it will return to H3, and tailored for H3
I'm just saying. I know it's your opinon, I respect that, i just want to have an intelligent debate.


As well as I. I was referring to others who feel their opinions are fact. Not yourself, as I have appreciated discussion with you

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Yeah... its just like every topic in here... someone flips out because someone doesnt agree with them.. just incase you didnt know but.. people have these things called opinions.. its a crazy little thing that lets people agree and disagree with eachother.. i know MIND BLOWING.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Halo = New Standalone game from Bungie (started telling a story)
Halo 2 = second in the series (but a separate and different game)
Halo 3 = third in the series (and also likely to be a separate and different game)

You may have noticed, it's not

Halo
Halo 2004
Halo 2007 (tournament edition)

Games that are much like the previous one and only have small incremental changes tend to put the year at the end of the title to show that it's "lasts years version, but slightly modified".

Bungie doesn't do that. So called "true fans" would know that.
I do agree on the fact that Halo 3 should not be another Halo CE, but I do think it should bear a lot of resemblances to it.

For me, Halo 2 was just way too different. I dunno why, but it was. There were too many things cut that were shown to us, and there wasn't any similarity to the first game. Some things had pointless changes to them; like Chief getting out of the left side of the ghost instead of the right. Why make changes like that when other things can be done? And why add in a bunch of similar weapons? Nearly every human weapon has a covenant counter-part with little difference between them. The shotgun = the sword. The SMG = plasma rifle. The plasma rifle = brute plasma rifle. The magnum = plasma pistol. The rocket launcher = fuel rod cannon. The BR = carbine. The beam rifle = sniper rifle. The normal sentinel beam = gold sentinel beam. Although I do enjoy the carbine (it's my favorite weapon), the only really unique weapons are the brute shot and needler. Everything else serves no purpose.

There are three automatic weapons: SMG, PR, and BPR. In the first game, they would have related to the AR and the PR/ But now, there is no difference between them. The PR has now lost its freeze effect and has picked up a massive amount of auto-aim. The SMG is just a watered-down AR and also has a bunch of auto-aim. And then the BPR made a pointless appearance too. It was nothing but a PR with some minor tweaks.

That's not to say that I "hate" Halo 2. I do like a lot of things about it, like boarding, boosting, etc. But I just think it was not a true sequel. I don't agree with the topic-starter when he says that Halo 2 fans are "retards" or whatever; but I do think Halo 3 should at least include some of the long-lost features of Halo 1.


Now I see why you go to Halo2sucks.com....

You know why Halo 2 was different? It's because it was a BRAND NEW GAME!! That seems to be the hardest concept for everyone in the Halo 3 forum to grasp...HALO 3 is going to be a BRAND NEW GAME!! Not Halo 1 all over again...

Halo 3 is NOT going to be Halo 1's campaign, halo 2's multiplayer....it's going to be a WHOLE DIFFERENT NEW GAME!!!

Vitamin, I don't mind that you go to halo2sucks.com....it's just that you guys complain over stupid stuff...like you posted above, Master Chief gets out the left side instead of the right...so what? In Halo 3, Master Chief might jump off the back of the ghost when getting out...that won't bother me any.

So, I agree with everything that Recon has said...Halo 3 is going to be it's own game. THANK GOD!!

Alas, posting in the Halo 3 forum means my post getting read is .003%...

Halo2 > Halo 1

That's how it is...
*Sigh* Look I'm not gonna flame...but I have to say, the reason I dislike Halo 2 is because it's TOO different. A sequel is supposed to take its predecessor and build upon it, not make it completely different.

You want an example of a good sequel, fine: Marathon 2. Because it controlled the same way as the first game. The only difference: a couple new enemies, a couple new weapons, and a continuation of the great story. Those are the only things that a sequel should do: add on to the first game.

And I was not complaining about the ghost; it's nothing to complain about. I was just showing an example of some of the strange things that Bungie changed. I mean, why change what side of the ghost that Chief uses? Isn't it a pointless thing?

Well, anyway, thanks for not minding the fact that I go to halo2sucks.com. For a second there, I thought you were gonna flame. :)

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I prefer the gameplay of Halo CE. The game just revolved around fair play IMO with pistol starts to defend yourself from just about everything. First shot fired doesn't determine the winner if you strafed. Large maps like Bloodgulch were fun to play with grenades that consistently flipped most vehicles (balanced infantry vs vehicle combat) and having a rocket launcher didn't tip the game entirely in your favor by shutting down their vehicle use. Weapons like plasma rifles are worth picking up because of the freeze. Shotgun works. Vehicle to vehicle combat was balanced. Ghost vs Tank battles could go either way if you can use the freeze effectively. Tank vs infantry could go either way because it wasn't impervious to bullets and a single frag knocked out the driver's shield. The game gives you a lot of credit in that you're expected to master the weapon to use it effectively. The rocket is useless if you don't know how far to lead a moving Warthog. The sniper is useless in the hands of a novice. The gameplay just...worked.

In Halo 2 the combat just seems watered down. Weapons were downgraded to suit duel wielding and the melee animations lack some polish. The vehicle physics and balance is gone and isn't as fun as a result. Vehicles don't flip from grenades unless the host is riding it. The rocket takes down all the vehicles effortlessly with lock-on. Seeing how Halo has "evolved" I wouldn't be surprised to see lock-on sticky grenades in Halo 3.

  • 07.14.2006 3:28 PM PDT