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Subject: Why the flamethrower doesn't make sense.
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Flame-thrower is a perfect close range weapon for taking on the flood or Spartans. It's basically an equivalent to the shotgun. Plasma and fire are quite different... plasma is a phase state above gas that emits a lot of heat as you said... fire is the release of energy during an oxidation reaction, and tremendous amounts of heat and energy are released in fractions of a second.

How would a flame thrower hurt the MC? Simple, the fire disrupts the shield and then the flames heat his armour and himself... the heat his armor causes his skin to melt and then he dies a very painful death.

  • 07.16.2006 6:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: DARK COYOTE
Flame-thrower is a perfect close range weapon for taking on the flood or Spartans. It's basically an equivalent to the shotgun. Plasma and fire are quite different... plasma is a phase state above gas that emits a lot of heat as you said... fire is the release of energy during an oxidation reaction, and tremendous amounts of heat and energy are released in fractions of a second.

How would a flame thrower hurt the MC? Simple, the fire disrupts the shield and then the flames heat his armour and himself... the heat his armor causes his skin to melt and then he dies a very painful death.


No, the MC's armor is meant to resist thousands of degrees.. to actually heat his armor that much would mean keeping the MC on fire for hours.

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So basically it's like heating a rat up in a tin can...

And a flamethrower would be great against hording grunts, brutes, jackals, drones, prophets, and flood.

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Imagine the brutes fure catching fire.. him running into you or trying to tackle you in his fiery rage..

  • 07.16.2006 6:48 PM PDT
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It'd be awesome to see their hair catch flames. They could either roll around trying to put them out, or charge you. If others are near maybe they do get put out, and then they have a big bald brute running around.

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Posted by: Mikespyke8
The flamethrower was some sort of anti-sniper weapon. That didn't seem very realistic to me.


In WWII it was more of a 'hey lets clear out this room' type of weapon

  • 07.16.2006 6:53 PM PDT
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Flame-throwers were used by -blam!-s to clear out rooms filled with enemy soldiers or civilians, not for battle.

  • 07.16.2006 6:59 PM PDT
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Flamethrowers are awesome weapons to clear out entrenched or fortified enemy positions.

If there are a bunch of Covenant in a room then two people with flamethrowers could clear a lot out very quickly.

  • 07.16.2006 7:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Misfit
Posted by: DARK COYOTE
Flame-thrower is a perfect close range weapon for taking on the flood or Spartans. It's basically an equivalent to the shotgun. Plasma and fire are quite different... plasma is a phase state above gas that emits a lot of heat as you said... fire is the release of energy during an oxidation reaction, and tremendous amounts of heat and energy are released in fractions of a second.

How would a flame thrower hurt the MC? Simple, the fire disrupts the shield and then the flames heat his armour and himself... the heat his armor causes his skin to melt and then he dies a very painful death.


No, the MC's armor is meant to resist thousands of degrees.. to actually heat his armor that much would mean keeping the MC on fire for hours.


yes, it resists heat.. not fire. Fire is not just heat.. it emits heat, but it is more then just heat... example: when you hold your hand next to a fire, it gets warm, but when you stick your hand in the fire, it burns.

ok, yea so MC's armour is heat resistant... doesnt mean that its fllame resistant.

HOnestly thought, I dont really care, its just a game... you can try to justify it all you want, but the flame thrower would be a good weapon with sweet effects, and give the game diversity.

  • 07.16.2006 7:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: DARK COYOTE
Posted by: The Misfit
Posted by: DARK COYOTE
Flame-thrower is a perfect close range weapon for taking on the flood or Spartans. It's basically an equivalent to the shotgun. Plasma and fire are quite different... plasma is a phase state above gas that emits a lot of heat as you said... fire is the release of energy during an oxidation reaction, and tremendous amounts of heat and energy are released in fractions of a second.

How would a flame thrower hurt the MC? Simple, the fire disrupts the shield and then the flames heat his armour and himself... the heat his armor causes his skin to melt and then he dies a very painful death.


No, the MC's armor is meant to resist thousands of degrees.. to actually heat his armor that much would mean keeping the MC on fire for hours.


yes, it resists heat.. not fire. Fire is not just heat.. it emits heat, but it is more then just heat... example: when you hold your hand next to a fire, it gets warm, but when you stick your hand in the fire, it burns.

ok, yea so MC's armour is heat resistant... doesnt mean that its fllame resistant.

HOnestly thought, I dont really care, its just a game... you can try to justify it all you want, but the flame thrower would be a good weapon with sweet effects, and give the game diversity.



Wow. Seriously dude, wow.

Okay, when you touch .. lets say hot water, you burn your hand.. is it fire? No. It is high temperatures that burn you, just like it is the high temperature of fire that burns your hand when you put it in. The further you put your hand from the fire, the cooler your hand is, the closer you put it, the warmer it gets until you burn yourself.

If you are subjected to extreme heats, you will catch fire, depending on the object. If MC's suit could not resist fire or heat, he would disentegrate in the atmosphere.

I agree, the flamethrower would be fun but it would not be effective if used realisitically.

  • 07.16.2006 7:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: edp07
Ok, this is a SPARTAN we are talking about here. They can survive the heat of re-entry from ultra-high altitude drops, are equiped with very powerfuly energy sheilds, have layers of titanium alloys and coatings to refract plasma and heat, so you're saying that they can be injured by a puny flame thrower? Plasma is 1000 times hotter that any flamethrower we have. To be realistic, it'd have to be significantly weaker than the plasma rifle or carbine and people would complain.


I agree in halo 2 if you walk threw fire you don't get hurt at all also the flamethrower seem aful barbaric but a plasma thrower on the other hand would be cool

  • 07.16.2006 7:34 PM PDT

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A plasma thrower sounds so -blam!-. It would lose its badassness. Either put in a flamethrower, or don't. None of this plasma thrower crap.

  • 07.16.2006 8:43 PM PDT

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Puny flamethrower? You realise a flamethrower is a spew of liquid gas being lit as it comes out of the barrel, correct?

  • 07.16.2006 8:43 PM PDT

Posted by: edp07
Ok, this is a SPARTAN we are talking about here. They can survive the heat of re-entry from ultra-high altitude drops, are equiped with very powerfuly energy sheilds, have layers of titanium alloys and coatings to refract plasma and heat, so you're saying that they can be injured by a puny flame thrower? Plasma is 1000 times hotter that any flamethrower we have. To be realistic, it'd have to be significantly weaker than the plasma rifle or carbine and people would complain.

Good point.

  • 07.16.2006 8:45 PM PDT

Dawn of the Dead video Here
6 Minutes of Hell video here

How do you know it has to spew flaming gas? I'm sure in 400 years we can have something that can spew superheated flames. The point it null anyways. It would be a fun weapon to have. If it isn't super effective, don't use it. They put the sentenial beam in the game, and it was too crappy to even put on any maps.

And it did have a good name, defoliant projector.

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  • 07.16.2006 8:48 PM PDT
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Its a Plasma Flame Thrower.
Its in every game as far as coding is concerned.
Why would a Pistol be stronger than a Rifle?

  • 07.16.2006 8:50 PM PDT
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I agree with every1

  • 07.16.2006 8:51 PM PDT
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Wait a minute, when did any Spartans go through re-entry?

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to odin vll and fwankman88
why dont you both shut up and let him make his point which happens to be a great one

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Why does everyone here keep asking how the flamethrower would be against a Spartan? It doesn't matter, it's a human weapon. It isn't designed for Spartans. It's designed for the lesser shielded beings.

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flamethrowers do have their tactical uses. the main reason they were abandoned in the military is that they're so unstable, but i'm sure 500 years of technical advances could fix that. in any case, if i'm in a tight situation tactically, cornered and outnumbered there's no other weapon i'd rather have. it's better than a shotgun for close quarters because it fires continuously, continues to do damage after being fired, and damages a very wide area. as stated above, it makes a ton of sense to have a flamethrower against unshielded covies like brutes or grunts, and esp. hunters cuz the flames could find the cracks in their armor easily.

i don't know why so many of you bring up it not being effective against spartan armor, cuz in single player i doubt we'll be shooting at any spartans, and there have been many halo weapons that were in the single player that didn't show up in multi. either way, the fact that it does make sense in campaign mode is reason enough for me to include it.

  • 07.16.2006 9:42 PM PDT

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