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after about twenty otherwise useless hours spent trolling the forums here on Bungie.net, I couldn't help but notice the same Halo 3 theories being posted over and over:

HUMANS=FORERUNNERS!

Over and over and over and over and over........ : (
One of the things that everyone kept bringing up in these threads was the whole "Noah's Ark = The Ark!" idea. i never liked it, firstly because I Absolutely hate the idea of humans being the forerunners, secondly because it never really made sense to me. If the humans had been the forerunners, and had used the ark as some sort of "lifeboat" to survive the activation of the Halo rings, wouldn't there have been evidence of their preexisting society, say, maybe... THE SHIPS THEY USED TO BUILD THE STUPID RINGS? And before you say that the rings would have destroyed the ships, remember that the rings only harm sentient life.
Also, if humans were forerunners, and the ark was "noah's Ark," how come it took humanity a million years to evolve to the point where we could even get to the moon? If the ark was a lifeboat, then it would've taken more like ten years after emerging from said lifeboat to get back to the moon. And don't give me any of that "Teh humenz wooduv 4got10 all that stuffz aftur beyin lockd in teh Ark 4 dat long" crap, first of all because I absolutely despise people who type like that. It simply screams "Hey, look at me! I'm a whiny thirteen year old -BLAM!-tard who pretends to be older and smarter than I actually am, but I forgot to learn to spell, so I started to use this nerd slang so i didn't have to!" Secondly, a race as adavanced as the forerunners would have put their smartest people in the ark, first of all, and since the halo blast is instantaneous and isn't radioactive (radioactivity would harm all life except roaches, not just the sentient life, and it would also kill flood), it's safe to assume that they wouldn't be stuck in the ark for that long. Maybe a day.
Even if the forerunners were stuck in the ark that long, they would bring in enough of them to effectively reproduce, and they would obviously teach their offspring everything they knew. Let's face it. The Humans ARE NOT the forerunners.

  • 07.17.2006 10:18 PM PDT
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I didnt even read it because you said PWN3D.

  • 07.17.2006 10:19 PM PDT
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Nothing personal...

I don't like those theories either; if anything I think the Prophets have more to do with the Forerunner than Humans.

  • 07.17.2006 10:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: TheToxicity
I didnt even read it because you said PWN3D.


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  • 07.17.2006 10:20 PM PDT

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  • 07.17.2006 10:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: A FREAKIN NINJA
Posted by: TheToxicity
I didnt even read it because you said PWN3D.


So why'd you post? You're not offering anything constructive. Anyway, I disagree, there are too many clues pointing to it.


I wont argue, because your a freakin ninja....and ninjas scare me...... I read it and it sounds like every other theory I ever read. *remebers hes in the H3 forum, and puts on a flame resistent suit* So theres my opinion. *awaits the flame....*

  • 07.17.2006 10:31 PM PDT
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i think all the biblical reference forms are picking the trilogy apart to much, i dont think bungie would go as far as to skim through the bible and find instresting stuff thay could all mould into this one plot. i dont think so. see thats faaaaarrrrr to complicated, i agree with this guy in saying that all the noahs ark - forerunner ark = -blam-, i also agree wit the humans being forerunners theory being -blam- as well. as far as im concerned, people who have 23 post long theories examining EVERY DAMN PEICE OF PLOT in the game. its actually kinda of ruining it for me, and im sure alot of others would say the same. how bout, u play the campagins through, enjoy the story and the twists, stop trying to make ur own comparisons to other -blam!-, and just wait for the damn game to come out

  • 07.17.2006 10:35 PM PDT
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My theory personally is quite a bit different than anything I've seen. I think that the ark is based off the concept of another biblical ark, the Ark of the Covenant (<<<<<Huh? How bout that tricky association) Instead of being a lifeboat, like everyone else said, what if it's just like an UBER-Halo? For a biblical tie in, what if the forerunners built smaller, less powerful, more directed halo-type weapons for fights against their non-flood enemies, and they based the Halo rings off of these? Now, just hypothetically here, what if the Israelites unearthed one long ago, and that became part of their ark of the covenant? I'm Just saying... Purifying holy light?...eh?...

Also, every Human-Forerunner advocate's favorite "clue," Guilty Spark's line at the end of the first game>>> "Finally! A record of all our lost time! Human History, is it?" is actually shot down in Halo 2, when spark Says: "After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, along with all other sentient life within three radiaii of the galactic center, DIED as planned.

Now, Guilty Spark would have known if humans were the forerunners, and thus would have noticed if the humans weren't dead. The "Human History" line is simply Spark collecting data that helps to bridge the gap between his losing contact with his creators and the arrival of the humans on the ring.

  • 07.17.2006 10:59 PM PDT
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I totally just realized that we're probably all fauxtarded for being on the forums this late. I don't know about everyone else, but where I am it's 11:00. Hooray, nerds!

(Fauxtarded (Copyrighted) = someone who's not actually retarded but does or says something that could be mistaken for that of someone who is actually retarded)

  • 07.17.2006 11:03 PM PDT
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go away... while the humans=forerunner posts are annoying... posts like this are worse.

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If you wanna see an airplane cemetery, why don't you just find an old airplane and look at where it goes?

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The Forerunners weren't even in the Ark. 343 Guilty Spark stated that the Forerunners all died. What may have happened is that the Forerunners died off, and only non-sentient life survived, and then that non-sentient life evolved into Humans again.

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does anyone remember when 343 guilty spark offered the chief class 12 armour....that means that the forerunners had armour for HUMAN CAPABILITY...meaning the forerunners either were or created humans

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Posted by: Tartan 777
go away... while the humans=forerunner posts are annoying... posts like this are worse.


Then don't read it. I don't give a -Blam!- if you don't like it. The forums are here for this, so I'm going to say what I want, and if you don't like it, tough.

  • 07.17.2006 11:18 PM PDT

Ever heard of "The Ark of the Covenant"?


Posted by: DUDEHALO3
does anyone remember when 343 guilty spark offered the chief class 12 armour....that means that the forerunners had armour for HUMAN CAPABILITY...meaning the forerunners either were or created humans

Fail.

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Posted by: S034
Posted by: Tartan 777
go away... while the humans=forerunner posts are annoying... posts like this are worse.


Then don't read it. I don't give a -Blam!- if you don't like it. The forums are here for this, so I'm going to say what I want, and if you don't like it, tough.


the reason i think this is worse is mostly cuz of your bad choice of topic name... also... we've all heard just about everything you wrote before.

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Posted by: DUDEHALO3
does anyone remember when 343 guilty spark offered the chief class 12 armour....that means that the forerunners had armour for HUMAN CAPABILITY...meaning the forerunners either were or created humans


No, that just means that the forerunners had armor that was 6 times as powerful as MJOLNIR. If I may quote the book: "These Sentinels will supplement your combat systems. But I suggest you upgrade to at least a Class Twelve Combat Skin. Your current models only scans as a Class Two-which is unsuited for this kind of work."
Spark wasn't Offering, he was saying "Hey, tard! Get Better Armor or you're going to die!"

  • 07.17.2006 11:25 PM PDT
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ohh my bad thanks i was trying to figure that one out. but why didnt johnson or someone take 343 guilty spark and sttudy his armour?

  • 07.17.2006 11:29 PM PDT
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If you wanna see an airplane cemetery, why don't you just find an old airplane and look at where it goes?

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Do you mean to study 343 Guilty Spark's armor?

  • 07.17.2006 11:41 PM PDT
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Just wait until Bungie lays down the facts.

Why didn't we see any Forerunner ships? Oh, I don't know..maybe any abandoned ship would've rusted, disintergrated away, and perished over time? Yes, beside the fact things like the Halos and other structures are built to last. I bet it's not cheap or easy to find the material to build something that can last over 100,000 years. And you're wrong. There are alot of Forerunner ships. You just didn't pay attention. The Forerunner Ship at the end of Halo 2, the Sentinel warships over the Library, High Charity, and possibly other ships that could be hidden, lost, or tucked away elsewhere.

Say the Ark is a lifeboat. I doubt the Forerunner would have time or be that discriminant on who's to be saved. That's like saying whites are admitted to lifeboats on a sinking ship but blacks aren't. It's more like whoever that can be saved. In a manner of speaking, all Forerunner are at the highly intellegient level-even for 'stupid' Forerunnner. If all life in the galaxy including the Forerunner died off in the former galaxy, who's left? That's right, no one. No one to "educate their descendants". Save a scattered few, perhaps. It's up to the Index to reseed the galaxy of life and begin anew. And we don't know how long it took for the Forerunner to be where they are evolved into a superintellegient race. They could've been around for billions of years whereas humans have only been around for several million.

Maybe the Forerunner exists in another time and place, leaving only their abandoned legacy behind for their supposed descendants to find, reclaim, and join them.

I have this gut feeling that humans will appeal their cause to the Forerunner-almost like pleading God to intervene. Call me crazy, but it could happen...

[Edited on 7/17/2006]

  • 07.17.2006 11:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Seven7h

Why didn't we see any Forerunner ships? Oh, I don't know..maybe any abandoned ship would've rusted, disintergrated away, and perished over time? Yes, beside the fact things like the Halos and other structures are built to last. I bet it's not cheap or easy to find the material to build something that can last over 100,000 years. And you're wrong. There are alot of Forerunner ships. You just didn't pay attention. The Forerunner Ship at the end of Halo 2, the Sentinel warships over the Library, High Charity, and possibly other ships that could be hidden, lost, or tucked away elsewhere.


Did you even read what I said? I didn't say there weren't ANY forerunner ships, just none on earth. That and High Charity is a covenant ship, they just used the forerunner ship to power it.


Say the Ark is a lifeboat. I doubt the Forerunner would have time or be that discriminant on who's to be saved. That's like saying whites are admitted to lifeboats on a sinking ship but blacks aren't. It's more like whoever that can be saved. In a manner of speaking, all Forerunner are at the highly intellegient level-even for 'stupid' Forerunnner. If all life in the galaxy including the Forerunner died off in the former galaxy, who's left? That's right, no one. No one to "educate their descendants".

listen to what you are saying. If all life in the galaxy died, then how could these dead people have descendants? the descendants would also be dead.
Save a scattered few, perhaps. It's up to the Index to reseed the galaxy of life and begin anew.
what in the name of GOD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? the index just activates the rings!
And we don't know how long it took for the Forerunner to be where they are evolved into a superintellegient race. They could've been around for billions of years whereas humans have only been around for several million. Is it just me, or did you just prove
my point of HUMANS NOT BEING FORERUNNERS?!?!?!?!


Maybe the Forerunner exists in another time and place, leaving only their abandoned legacy behind for their supposed descendants to find, reclaim, and join them.

I have this gut feeling that humans will appeal their cause to the Forerunner-almost like pleading God to intervene. Call me crazy, but it could happen...


Once again, we have already established that ALL THE FORERUNNERS ARE DEAD, thus putting the proverbial nail in the coffin of that idea.

  • 07.18.2006 12:13 AM PDT
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Then, where does this famous Great Journey go to?

The Forerunner don't inhabit our galaxy anyway. So Staten says.

  • 07.18.2006 12:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: Seven7h

Then, where does this famous Great Journey go to?

The Forerunner don't inhabit our galaxy anyway. So Staten says.


Have you even played Halo 2? The Great Journey is a load of crap that the prophets made up. And whoever told you that the Forerunner don't inhabit our galaxy is retarded. plus, that wouldn't matter.

Guilty spark said that all sentient life within three radiaii of the galactic center died. This means that if the galaxy is this:

> > >
> > >
> > >

one radius of this sample galaxy is the distance of one spacebar and an arrow:
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So in this sample galaxy, the actual effect of halo's activation would be this big:
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> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>


of course, it's hard to duplicate something circular with keyboard characters.

Basically, the forerunners made sure that even some life outside the galaxy would be killed, just as a precaution. They were taking no chances. Now how rational would it be to work this hard to kill off all sentient life in the galaxy, then try to leave? How unbelievably screwed would their plan be if just one infection form was stuck on their ship?
**Remembers "Aliens"**
The forerunners would be going "Aw... damn it. Where's Sigourney weaver when you need her?"

  • 07.18.2006 8:37 AM PDT
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Damn forums, all skewin' my drawing.

  • 07.18.2006 8:40 AM PDT

Chief's armor is based off of Covenant technology. Covenant technology is stolen Forerunner technology. Therefore, it would be easy for Spark to view the Chief's armor as a "class 2" combat skin. It's similar to some old Forerunner junk.

  • 07.18.2006 8:49 AM PDT

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