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Subject: Why the pistol is not a good idea. Stop saying " Take the Swor...

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Use your head. The one on your shoulders. No really, just try. Please?

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Posted by: MissionHill
Alright, flame we, whatever. Just comment.
If you're going to be an idiot, at least type in ENGLISH.


I disagree with pretty much every statement you made. You give poor examples. "The pistol is too powerfull because I killed my brother with it from 10 feet away."

Stupid.

And that is with his brother not killing him with the Halo CE shotgun from 10 feet away on the first shot?

  • 07.18.2006 3:16 PM PDT
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Alright, I think your excuse is that you just disagree with me. I think that the pistol is too overpowered because from my understanding every single person can agree with me that it is. Can we?

And the typing in English part, I put that at the bottom of everything I make.
There is no good example except for experience. Have you played Halo Combat Evolved?

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Posted by: Faithless_zelot
leave the M6D out. but here is an idea for the sword, make it have ammo, and a 1 hit kill but take out the lunge. sounds balaced to me.

Sounds useless to me. It takes two rapid hits with a melee in Halo 2 to kill anyone, so why would I carry around a weapon which is useless in most circumstances and saves me only a split second once in a while.

The lunge on the sword is part of the balance.

  • 07.18.2006 3:20 PM PDT
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Yea, okay, my facts may be a little sketchy of that specific instance. But me and my brother play [still] 50 kill sniper matches on SideWinder. I know what I'm talking about, we would attack in the little icy center part.

Can I really prove it's overpowered? Yes. I would need to play you in real life. Which I can't. So I can prove it now by a unanimous descision and agreement, which we have.

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Posted by: Vangaurd 7
I completely agree with everything you say. The pistol should stay the same. I did, however, like it much more before the first update. The battle rifle is much more logical than a little pistol if you want accuracy.


You want it to stay the same but you liked it better before?

Riiiiiiight.

Sure the pistol seemed too powerfull in Halo1, but it allowed a skilled player to take out someone camping with rocket/sniper because of it's versatility. Furthermore, the pistol had explosive rounds which is why it took off so much damage. In the future, weapons are more powerfull. Of course, we could forget about that and hope that Bungie creates a Rifle that is not as powerfull as the pistol, yet more powerfull then the BR.

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Posted by: spartanfornow
Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: MissionHill
Alright, flame we, whatever. Just comment.
If you're going to be an idiot, at least type in ENGLISH.


I disagree with pretty much every statement you made. You give poor examples. "The pistol is too powerfull because I killed my brother with it from 10 feet away."

Stupid.

And that is with his brother not killing him with the Halo CE shotgun from 10 feet away on the first shot?


The pistol is too powerfull because he told a story about this one time in band camp when his brother didn't kill him with one shot from the shotgun on Halo1 multiplayer. Maybe his brother sucks? Maybe HE 3-shotted his brother? Maybe his brother just fell from a ledge and damaged his shield a little but before they started exhanging fire? You see how pointless these "examples" can be?

  • 07.18.2006 3:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Over at ohmb.net there are a bunch of people there that don' like Halo, and this is what one of them posted.

In the original Halo I played multiplayer with a bunch of seasoned veteran friends. I ran around with a pistol the whole time and won. I seriously would stand across this level (it was a huge desert level with teleports) aim at another player and kill them with a damn pistol. I couldn't believe it... here was everyone else with rocket launchers, machine guns, and vehicles but I won by using a pistol.


Now that is so true!

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Posted by: MissionHill
Posted by: MisterCHIEF69
yea sword has to be 1 hit kill, why bruteshot is 2 hit kill and fast malle....so this is halo2 now
Sword-1 hit
Brute shot- 2 hits
otherguns-3-4 hits

if sword was 2 hits it would be
sword-2 hit
bruteshot-3-4 hit
otherguns-5-6 hits
imigine that, having to hit someone 6 times to kill them (malle not shooting)



I've been killed by a pistol in 2 hits with full shields.

Still Misterchief has a good point!

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Posted by: MissionHill
Can I really prove it's overpowered? Yes. I would need to play you in real life. Which I can't. So I can prove it now by a unanimous descision and agreement, which we have.


unanimous decision in one thread of thousands created over a 5 year time period. Wow, that sure holds some weight!

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Predator, do you really mean that you disagree with everything I say? Well then, according to what I said, you want every weapon to be unbalanced so that someone with a magnum can take out someone with an overshield with the n00b combo.

Because the pistol was a little to powered, my thoughts were that every weapon has a good point[s] and bad point[s].

So you want everything to be unbalanced, or was that the "almost" everything?
And for a person to take out another person with rockets is even more unrealistic than the lunge. They should make one hit leg kills from the sniper with the explosive rounds.

[Edited on 7/18/2006]

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Personally I think the magnum in Halo 2 was fine for a side arm which is what a pistol should be, that being said in real life there are those special overpowered pistols such as the Desert Eagle (which you can actually get with a scope lol) so maybe they could have the magnum sidearm and have the M6D in there as a special weapon, like the rocket launcher and sword, which is more rare and harder to find but then makes up for its rarity by being slightly overpowered. Any thoughts on that?

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Remonstar puts it good/well. It is a sidearm, not meant to be able to take out someone with rockets. But it did.
I'm not so sure on the "special weapon" part though.

I think that one pistol is good. It would be maybe cool for certain levels in campaign though.

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Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: MissionHill
Alright, flame we, whatever. Just comment.
If you're going to be an idiot, at least type in ENGLISH.


I disagree with pretty much every statement you made. You give poor examples. "The pistol is too powerfull because I killed my brother with it from 10 feet away."

Stupid.

your an idiot, your probly one of the peple who thinks they should put a scope on every gun b/c since it can make the pistol shoot farther then it can make all guns do that, even tho with a scope the pistol shoudl still not be able to shoot far at all

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Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: MissionHill
Can I really prove it's overpowered? Yes. I would need to play you in real life. Which I can't. So I can prove it now by a unanimous descision and agreement, which we have.


unanimous decision in one thread of thousands created over a 5 year time period. Wow, that sure holds some weight!


Yes, well, in this thread at least, you're the only person who thinks it's not overpowered.

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Posted by: Remonstar
Personally I think the magnum in Halo 2 was fine for a side arm which is what a pistol should be, that being said in real life there are those special overpowered pistols such as the Desert Eagle (which you can actually get with a scope lol) so maybe they could have the magnum sidearm and have the M6D in there as a special weapon, like the rocket launcher and sword, which is more rare and harder to find but then makes up for its rarity by being slightly overpowered. Any thoughts on that?

yea what your saying is true, but the desert eagle doesnt have many shots and also it doesnt have the insane acuracy at long distances like the pistol, the scope is more for aiming at still not too far of distances, where as in halo 1 the pistol's scope made it shoot across maps

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The Magnum was completely useless in Campaign.

Until Bungie makes the pistol actually useful in Campaign and multiplayer without offsetting your precious balance..I'm against the M6C.

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You guys didn't read my whole first post. The pistol traded power [ possibly ] for accuracy, speed of fire, and dual ability. That's what makes it good! You can kill someone fast!

Halo's gameplay is meant to be fast paced, that's the advantage of the magnum, you kill them before they kill you!

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I'm not saying that all weapons should be balanced, some weapons are meant to be unbalanced, which adds diversity to the game.

The magnum was incredibly useful in Campaign.

I admit, my example was weak. Ask anyone else and they will agree that it was too overpowered for a pistol, which everyone spawns with.

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Posted by: PREDAT0R
Posted by: MissionHill
Alright, flame we, whatever. Just comment.
If you're going to be an idiot, at least type in ENGLISH.


I disagree with pretty much every statement you made. You give poor examples. "The pistol is too powerfull because I killed my brother with it from 10 feet away."

Stupid.
Wow. A secondary weapon(pistol) should not be stronger than a primary weapon(Assault/Battle Rifle etc). Not the other way around. I mean not in balance. Just the fact of how fast it kills. It should take more than three shots to take down a person, with Titanium A MJOLNIR armor and super shielding that is supposedly stronger than an Elites(books).

Stupid.

The Sword should have added ammo and for lunge, when trying to kill a person above, you do a matrix style walk up the wall thing. grasp the end and then automatically swipe at the top. Something like that.

If a stronger pistol is to be in 3. have it kill in 8 headshots or 10 body shots. so when you duel weild, it won't become super powerful. Duel weilded that's already lthe equivalent of 4 shots to the head, and 5 for body. That should be the M6B. Discribed not being weaker than the C, but a bit less accurate but with more punch.

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Thanks HaloFighter, unfortunately, I think we have covered that. But thanks for agreeing.

We have just been over that whole thing already.

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The lunge when jumping should be taken out. I find it unrealstic when the players jump in the air and then lunge. Players should only be allowedto lunge while their feet are planted firmly on the ground. Besides, while in the air what force pushes the spartans, or elitesfor to their enemies?

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Posted by: iblodgett
The lunge when jumping should be taken out. I find it unrealstic when the players jump in the air and then lunge. Players should only be allowedto lunge while their feet are planted firmly on the ground. Besides, while in the air what force pushes the spartans, or elitesfor to their enemies?


That's actually a good idea.

  • 07.18.2006 4:03 PM PDT
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We've been here since you left.
We left before you came.

Give the sword ammo, cut the lunge by at least 1/2 and make it at least 2 swipes to kill. Make it as even as the shotgun is.

  • 07.18.2006 4:04 PM PDT

It all depends on what kind of game you want to play.

If you want a balanced game that is justifiably competitive, then the Halo:CE pistol is for you. It was essentially the best weapon in the game for mid-long range fights, but took excellent aim to use. Therefore, while most fights were between pistol-wielders, it was balanced since players spawned with a weapon that was useful.

If you want to play a game that is all about the GUNS, then I would recommend playing a game of Team Slayer with the SMG start. It starts you off with a virtually useless weapon, so that you NEED to find a better one to start killing. This is fine as well, but is frustrating for those who want to play competitively, since anyone can kill an SMG wielder when they have a sniper rifle. Halo 2 was more focused on the guns than Halo:CE, and this made it less balanced. This does not make it a bad game, but it does make it more frustrating to play at a competitive level. In my opinion, ranks would have done well to be left out of Halo 2, since there is so little real balance.

In this way it all depends on what kind of a gamer you are. Are you the kind that likes to jump right in and start killing with a very small learning curve? Halo 2 is for you. However, If you are the type of player that is all about competition, I would recommend a good game of Halo:CE.

[Edited on 7/18/2006]

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That's really not true. Halo 2 takes a large amount of skill to play, Halo:CE if anything took less, because you don't have to know the maps, you start out with one of the best weapons.

  • 07.18.2006 4:18 PM PDT