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Simply in the intrests of me not hunting down everyone who disagrees with me and ripping their lungs out, I'm going to refrain from correcting people for the rest of the night. Or day, depending on where in the world you are. instead, I will retreat to my greater skilled areas, death threats and witty banter.

  • 07.18.2006 11:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: thesixthelement
The books are really a alternate universe if you will, a universe where bungie has all the time they need to really tell what happens in halo,thats why its a book, its the halo story. They couldn't fit the entire story into game edition so they make the games first then expand on what really happened in the books. but the point is theres gonna be no extra spartans in the freakin game, yes eventually in the next book ghosts of coral, and eventual books after that but the game is pretty much gonna stick to the lone spartan sort of thing


Yes they are, shut up your freaking idiot.

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
They'd be overheating from their hot suit, not space. Space is a vacuum -- you cannot live in it, no oxygen, and it's freezing cold.

Don't be a fool. Space is not freezing cold. Space is a vacuum. It is nothing. It has no molecular motion that creates heat or cold. Again a space suit IN REALITY, has no heating system. It has a liquid cooling system and is highly protected against solar radiation. If anything space is "HOT". If you don't beleived this, go back to high school or check with NASA.... or heck, ask yourself why a vacuum bottle (thermos) keeps food warm. (If space is cold... then my soup should be cold. At least you got the "no oxygen" part right, though you wouldn't suffocate before you died from lack of atmospheric pressure. (A very painful way to die I assure you)



The Shields have seperate 'depths', they are always very low on feet and hands to increase traction, but the rest of the body has the shields 'pumped up' all the way.
Conjecture. They never talked about this. I looked for an explanation in First Strike, any explanation for how the shields worked. (I assume plasma guided around the body via a microscopic electro-magnetic weave adjacent to the gel layer. Though, this wouldn't reflect how it works in the games. Using this technology your shields would never go down.)

They NEVER said that it as the first ship to have anti-gravity. They did, however, say that the Covenant ships don't have spinning sections, and that was strange. I never said that the Pillar was the first ship to have anti-gravity. I said that it was ONE of the first ships to possess GRAVITIC PLATING. I'm not going to zip through First Stike again to find the reference but your quote only further shows how recent artificial gravity is to the UNSC. The reference to spinning sections refers to gravity created through centrifugal force which the UNSC had used up to that point.

I'll let the pelican bay thing slide because really, that's a nitpick based on what was probably a grammatical error on Nylund's part and I don't want to flip through that book to double check.

Seriously though, if you're going to try and correct people MLG Cheehwawa, do try and know a little bit about what you're talking about. You can stick to quoting science from the books and I'll quite cheerily explain how the real world works.

As for S034, I think you've misplaced your idol worship.

  • 07.19.2006 8:44 AM PDT
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nope, the books are not the games, but they are in the same story line and in the same universe, I bet that is why they are "official"

  • 07.19.2006 8:50 AM PDT
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Posted by: Milkie
Shut Up


That was mature..

Actually, Six, I believe Joe Staten said the books are canon.. You can't really argue there.


You can't take a joke.

[Edited on 7/19/2006]

  • 07.19.2006 8:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: A Fatal Sock
PPL DONT DRIVE TANKS
What do we do? Hump them?


You can believe anything you want. The universe is not obliged to keep a straight face

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I'd love harming my enemies to death with butt strokes. XD

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The Shields have seperate 'depths', they are always very low on feet and hands to increase traction, but the rest of the body has the shields 'pumped up' all the way.[/quote]
Conjecture. They never talked about this. I looked for an explanation in First Strike, any explanation for how the shields worked. (I assume plasma guided around the body via a microscopic electro-magnetic weave adjacent to the gel layer. Though, this wouldn't reflect how it works in the games. Using this technology your shields would never go down.)



Actually, I believe it was somewhat explained in the Fall of Reach. And they would have to have a "depth-control" for the shields for a simple reason, if the MC was to punch somthing with his shields on, he would take out his own shields so logically, the shields are deactivated around the fist and things go smash.

  • 07.19.2006 9:26 AM PDT
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The only people who say the books arent part of the game, are people who obviously never read the books. Its as simple as that


That's not true either... I've read the books, and i think that while the stories are "paralell" as shishka said they do not "cross paths" with information, More Spartans will not be in the game, nor will there be any "time travel Crystal"

What I meant was that the stories go along with the games.

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Posted by: The BS Police
The books are the official Story, Bungie even said so.


Actually no, Bungie has said the books and the games are different.

Proof: Master Chief is the final spartan, said many times by Bungie.

  • 07.19.2006 10:16 AM PDT
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YAY! MY TURN!
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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
They'd be overheating from their hot suit, not space. Space is a vacuum -- you cannot live in it, no oxygen, and it's freezing cold.

Don't be a fool. Space is not freezing cold. Space is a vacuum. It is nothing. It has no molecular motion that creates heat or cold. Again a space suit IN REALITY, has no heating system. It has a liquid cooling system and is highly protected against solar radiation. If anything space is "HOT". If you don't beleived this, go back to high school or check with NASA.... or heck, ask yourself why a vacuum bottle (thermos) keeps food warm. (If space is cold... then my soup should be cold. At least you got the "no oxygen" part right, though you wouldn't suffocate before you died from lack of atmospheric pressure. (A very painful way to die I assure you)


Are you retarded? space is frigid. This right here is is copy-pasted directly from the nasa website: "The entire Universe is filled with the remnants of the Big Bang, in the form of photons (electromagnetic packets). They have cooled down to about 2.7 Kelvin or 2.7 degrees above absolute zero (-270.7 degrees Centigrade). So this is the temperature of space. It can be calculated from the expansion of the Universe, and it has been measured."
Now don't try to tell me that that's not cold. Now as for your soup, Vacuum bottles aren't perfect. they don't stop they transfer of heat, they slow it. Don't tell someone to go check Nasa when you haven't.



The Shields have seperate 'depths', they are always very low on feet and hands to increase traction, but the rest of the body has the shields 'pumped up' all the way.
Conjecture. They never talked about this. I looked for an explanation in First Strike, any explanation for how the shields worked. (I assume plasma guided around the body via a microscopic electro-magnetic weave adjacent to the gel layer. Though, this wouldn't reflect how it works in the games. Using this technology your shields would never go down.)


They didn't talk about it in "First Strike," it was in "Fall Of Reach," page 250: ""It provides full coverage--" Dr. Halsey's voice piped through the speakers. "--and dissipates energy far more efficiently than the Covenant shields the Spartans have recovered, though the shield is concentrated on your arms, head, legs, chest and back. the energy field tapers down to a hair under a millimeter so you don't lose the ability to hold or manipulate items with your hands.""

They NEVER said that it as the first ship to have anti-gravity. They did, however, say that the Covenant ships don't have spinning sections, and that was strange. I never said that the Pillar was the first ship to have anti-gravity. I said that it was ONE of the first ships to possess GRAVITIC PLATING. I'm not going to zip through First Stike again to find the reference but your quote only further shows how recent artificial gravity is to the UNSC. The reference to spinning sections refers to gravity created through centrifugal force which the UNSC had used up to that point.

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to accomplish with this. Something about MAC guns? If you're talking about how they fire them, MAC is MAGNETIC ACCELERATOR CANNON. I don't see anything about gravity in there. However, it's more likely that you're talking about in Halo 2 where the station has artificial gravity, and something about lack of time to implement this. However, noone really knows the time gap between Halo and Halo 2. Of course, it had to be long enough to create an entirely new version of MJOLNIR, so they probably had enough time to add a little artificial gravity.


I'll let the pelican bay thing slide because really, that's a nitpick based on what was probably a grammatical error on Nylund's part and I don't want to flip through that book to double check.

Seriously though, if you're going to try and correct people MLG Cheehwawa, do try and know a little bit about what you're talking about. You can stick to quoting science from the books and I'll quite cheerily explain how the real world works.

As for S034, I think you've misplaced your idol worship.

I'm laughing on the inside.

  • 07.19.2006 10:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: S034
Are you retarded? space is frigid. This right here is is copy-pasted directly from the nasa website: "The entire Universe is filled with the remnants of the Big Bang, in the form of photons (electromagnetic packets). They have cooled down to about 2.7 Kelvin or 2.7 degrees above absolute zero (-270.7 degrees Centigrade). So this is the temperature of space. It can be calculated from the expansion of the Universe, and it has been measured."
Now don't try to tell me that that's not cold. Now as for your soup, Vacuum bottles aren't perfect. they don't stop they transfer of heat, they slow it. Don't tell someone to go check Nasa when you haven't.


You're trying to tell me you've measured the temperature of space by the photons in it? I think you misquoted. You do realize you're talking about a sub-atomic energy particle, something that has no mass?

Forget everything else, you need basic instruction in physics

Okay, Part 1, basic thermodynamics for the layman:

Temperature, heat, as you know it is the stimulation, or vibration, of molecules. When something is very hot, it's molecules are vibrating very quickly and when they are vibrating sufficiently they break down experiencing a change of state; from solid to liquid for example.

In order for heat to be transferred, a physical medium must be present. The rapidly vibrating molecules must come into contact with another substance. These molecules jostle the molecules of the other substance causing them to vibrate. Conservation of energy dictates that the first object's molecules will be slowed and thus the object cooled down.

Part 2: Next Post: Thermal Insulation

Addendum: Going out to eat. I'll be back in one hour to explain the difference between that and radiation.

[Edited on 7/19/2006]

  • 07.19.2006 10:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: S034
Are you retarded? space is frigid. This right here is is copy-pasted directly from the nasa website: "The entire Universe is filled with the remnants of the Big Bang, in the form of photons (electromagnetic packets). They have cooled down to about 2.7 Kelvin or 2.7 degrees above absolute zero (-270.7 degrees Centigrade). So this is the temperature of space. It can be calculated from the expansion of the Universe, and it has been measured."
Now don't try to tell me that that's not cold. Now as for your soup, Vacuum bottles aren't perfect. they don't stop they transfer of heat, they slow it. Don't tell someone to go check Nasa when you haven't.


You're trying to tell me you've measured the temperature of space by the photons in it? I think you misquoted. You do realize you're talking about a sub-atomic energy particle, something that has no mass?

Forget everything else, you need basic instruction in physics

Okay, Part 1, basic thermodynamics for the layman:

Temperature, heat, as you know it is the stimulation, or vibration, of molecules. When something is very hot, it's molecules are vibrating very quickly and when they are vibrating sufficiently they break down experiencing a change of state; from solid to liquid for example.

In order for heat to be transferred, a physical medium must be present. The rapidly vibrating molecules must come into contact with another substance. These molecules jostle the molecules of the other substance causing them to vibrate. Conservation of energy dictates that the first object's molecules will be slowed and thus the object cooled down.

Part 2: Next Post: Thermal Insulation

Addendum: Going out to eat. I'll be back in one hour to explain the difference between that and radiation.


My god. You actually are retarded.

Follow this here LINK Then take back every attempt to correct my correcting you. Space is cold, -blam!-

  • 07.19.2006 10:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: Milkie
"Looks Around"

"Eats Candy"


damn it that was my candy!!

*Looks Around*

*Eats Ice Cream*


*Notices that both the Candy and Ice Cream are gone*

*Pops some popcorn*

Anybody want some?

  • 07.19.2006 11:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: thesixthelement
The books are really a alternate universe if you will, a universe where bungie has all the time they need to really tell what happens in halo,thats why its a book, its the halo story. They couldn't fit the entire story into game edition so they make the games first then expand on what really happened in the books. but the point is theres gonna be no extra spartans in the freakin game, yes eventually in the next book ghosts of coral, and eventual books after that but the game is pretty much gonna stick to the lone spartan sort of thing


I completely agree, to me the Halo campaign series is the real story and the books are an alternate. When I was reading the books it didn't feel like Halo, I could tell the storyline and words weren't Bungie's.

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Oh my... goodness... that's what you're talking about? You completely misquoted the poor gentleman. He is absolutely correct but you don't understand what he's saying.

Did you miss the part that the person asking the question was talking about "Deep Space" or the part where he said objects would EVENTUALLY reach the equilibrium temperature?

We're talking about "Flash Freezing" here. You're stating that the inside of a Thermos is absolute zero! (that's what's inside a Thermos, a vaccum, space. Break open a thermos and see if you're hit with a blast of -270 degree cold. You won't, because space has no temperature. It's not hot or cold.)

According to Thermodynamics heat can only be transferred across a medium remember? That's high school physics. I roughly explained this to you earlier.

The concept of insulation, heat resistant items, are things that are resistant to the transfer of molecular motion. Heat cannot travel across a vaccum. Energy and Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Where the hell does all the heat go when you "Flash Freeze"?

And you have the nerve to call me retarded?

To quote Magneto, "Oh yes. A lightning bolt into a big copper conductor. I thought you lived in a school."


  • 07.19.2006 11:55 AM PDT

Soldiers come quickly, I feel the earth beneath my feet.
I’m feeling badly, it’s not an attempt at decency.
And if you’re well off, well then I’m happy some for you.
But I’d rather not celebrate my defeat and humiliation here with you.

Posted by: jonny 888
Has Bungie said there are/aren't going to be more Spartans included in Halo 3? No? Then stop telling us how you 'know' they're not going be added. You don't know. No-one except Bungie knows.



Then again, Bungie gave a nice quiet hint...
that a few banshee pilots would be returning!What did the Spartans do in first strike.
other than John, there's Linda, Fred, Will and Kelly. And Dr.halsey kidnapped Kelly and flew off into space with her!

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Posted by: The BS Police
The books are the official Story, Bungie even said so.


Bungie never said anything. It is another version of the MC storyline within the realm of the Halo Universe. It isnt the same story. Bungie, i would think, would want to keep the games and books seperate to keep them both stand alone merchendise.

Why make a game off the books, when all that would do would take away from the book's uniqueness?

  • 07.19.2006 12:03 PM PDT
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It seems to me that all of these theory threads are spawned from the fact that bungie refuses to throw us a freaking bone. everyone on the forums are irritable, moody, rude and completely convinced that they are right. If bungie would just come out and just say one thing, like "No new spartans" or "the humans aren't forerunners," or 'the arbiter will be back" not only would it squelch about half of these sucktastic theories and free up space on the forum servers, but we'd be so happy that we got some new info that the forums would be one big party again. I myself would particularly enjoy a new wallpaper, but that's just me.

  • 07.19.2006 12:05 PM PDT

Soldiers come quickly, I feel the earth beneath my feet.
I’m feeling badly, it’s not an attempt at decency.
And if you’re well off, well then I’m happy some for you.
But I’d rather not celebrate my defeat and humiliation here with you.

Posted by: S034
It seems to me that all of these theory threads are spawned from the fact that bungie refuses to throw us a freaking bone. everyone on the forums are irritable, moody, rude and completely convinced that they are right. If bungie would just come out and just say one thing, like "No new spartans" or "the humans aren't forerunners," or 'the arbiter will be back" not only would it squelch about half of these sucktastic theories and free up space on the forum servers, but we'd be so happy that we got some new info that the forums would be one big party again. I myself would particularly enjoy a new wallpaper, but that's just me.


I agree, but the supense is worth it to sit through

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Posted by: S034
It seems to me that all of these theory threads are spawned from the fact that bungie refuses to throw us a freaking bone. everyone on the forums are irritable, moody, rude and completely convinced that they are right. If bungie would just come out and just say one thing, like "No new spartans" or "the humans aren't forerunners," or 'the arbiter will be back" not only would it squelch about half of these sucktastic theories and free up space on the forum servers, but we'd be so happy that we got some new info that the forums would be one big party again. I myself would particularly enjoy a new wallpaper, but that's just me.


I agree, but the supense is worth it to sit through


only to a certain degree. It's almost to the point to where it's not worth it anymore, when you've got every whiny brat twelve year old thinking they're smarter than everyone and posting a new threat to say something that two hundred other whiny brat twelve year olds have already said.

I.E.: THE BOOKS ARE NOT THE GAME!!!

  • 07.19.2006 12:23 PM PDT
Subject: THE BOOKS ARE NOT THE GAME!!! (obviosly you play games you read books)

Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.
>> >> (I think people in togas are conspiring against me)

If you really really dont give a chit come here (but I really don't care)

Oh and the Empire would totally crush the Imperium...I mean come on Vader has a theme song! Does the Emperor have one?!? I think not!

But the books pose the perfect solution to the screwed up co op campain. "looks at back of case" yes it says one spartan left. Looks around AH TWO SPARTENS BUNGIE LIED TO ME. "Reads books" ah thats why.

  • 07.19.2006 12:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: My Liege
Oh my... goodness... that's what you're talking about? You completely misquoted the poor gentleman. He is absolutely correct but you don't understand what he's saying.

Did you miss the part that the person asking the question was talking about "Deep Space" or the part where he said objects would EVENTUALLY reach the equilibrium temperature?

We're talking about "Flash Freezing" here. You're stating that the inside of a Thermos is absolute zero! (that's what's inside a Thermos, a vaccum, space. Break open a thermos and see if you're hit with a blast of -270 degree cold. You won't, because space has no temperature. It's not hot or cold.)

According to Thermodynamics heat can only be transferred across a medium remember? That's high school physics. I roughly explained this to you earlier.

The concept of insulation, heat resistant items, are things that are resistant to the transfer of molecular motion. Heat cannot travel across a vaccum. Energy and Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Where the hell does all the heat go when you "Flash Freeze"?

And you have the nerve to call me retarded?

To quote Magneto, "Oh yes. A lightning bolt into a big copper conductor. I thought you lived in a school."




You have just disproven yourself. If heat cannot be transferred in a vacuum, how does the sun warm earth? Infrared radiation can transfer across a vacuum, as was stated later in the article I linked to. The infrared radiation, which is Light energy, is then transferred to matter, which then the molecules move. The good doctor said himself: "I (and many others) equate the cosmic background with the 'void' having an effective temperature of 2.7 Kelvin, even if there is no matter." As for the equilibrium temperature, it is 2.7 Kelvin: "Objects in the void will eventually come to the equilibrium temperature of the cosmic microwave background, which is 2.7 Kelvin (2.7 degrees above absolute zero). The cosmic background is a sea of photons (light) that are the remnants of the Big Bang, which has cooled down to 2.7 Kelvin over 15-20 billion years."

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To your comment about flash freezing being impossible, I present to you this direct quote from the Apollo 8 Flight Journal: "076:23:33 Collins: Roger. On your back-pressure valve, we would like to know how long after you closed the back-pressure valve the first time - how long was it from the time you closed it until the time you started the reservicing. We would like for you to wait about 15 minutes to prevent any ice from forming due to flash freezing. Over."

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Posted by: S034
You have just disproven yourself. If heat cannot be transferred in a vacuum, how does the sun warm earth? Infrared radiation can transfer across a vacuum, as was stated later in the article I linked to. The infrared radiation, which is Light energy, is then transferred to matter, which then the molecules move. The good doctor said himself: "I (and many others) equate the cosmic background with the 'void' having an effective temperature of 2.7 Kelvin, even if there is no matter." As for the equilibrium temperature, it is 2.7 Kelvin: "Objects in the void will eventually come to the equilibrium temperature of the cosmic microwave background, which is 2.7 Kelvin (2.7 degrees above absolute zero). The cosmic background is a sea of photons (light) that are the remnants of the Big Bang, which has cooled down to 2.7 Kelvin over 15-20 billion years."


No, I haven't disproven myself. You keep on talking about what the doctor is calling "The Cosmic Background", the average temperature of all things floating in space. See question 4.

The person asking the question claims, "The only form of heat dissipation would be radiational and that would not be enough to cool an astronaut in a space suit -- they must require some form of air conditioning."

Question 5 goes into it more effectively. A person in space cannot transfer his body heat outside of himself via Convection or Diffusion. Since he has no means of radiating heat he's screwed. He'll overheat if he can't find someone way to cool off.

Fact: Modern space suits have no heating system.

So effectively, by supporting the crazy idea of "Flash Freezing" you are telling me that a person spontaneously turns himself into a radiator somehow giving off infra-red radiation? How exactly?

Objects in the void will EVENTUALLY reach the median temperature. I would never argue that but the amount of energy being lost from what is effectively a closed system is minimal. Explain to me how he suddenly turns into a popsicle?

If you want a good example of what really happens to people who have been exposed to vacuum you should look at the movie "Event Horizon" which includes just such a sequence.

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The books are within the same universe, it's just that all the games are set during times when John is on his own, I agree with you though that there aren't going to be more spartans in the game.

  • 07.19.2006 2:03 PM PDT

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I have a question :: In the other Cryo chamber overlooking room thing, howcome there's a Spartan's biometer displayed on the screen? Linda was, infact, on the PoA ;)

Check the room directly on the other side of the room overlooking your cryochamber after Cortana says that the Covenant tried to catch you napping..

  • 07.19.2006 2:04 PM PDT

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