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The Sniper Rifle can kill people in one shot, so by this logic, the Sniper Rifle also doesn't take any skill.

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Posted by: Diablo 177
Why oh why am I writting this as my fever is getting higher and my nose is like a battle zone between the Flood and the Snot!

Anyways just read a long thread as to why the pistol should not be in the Halo 3 game, I am going to defend its rightfull place in the next Halo game and try to explain why it was such a great weapon.

First up, for those of you who are called "pistol-whores" and who use the gun as a primary gun, good for you, you have develped a skill by which you could kill a Spartan in just 3 head shots, or 5 if you are a little inacurate. Althought Bungie did admitaley overpower the weapon somewhat, the skill required to get a kill at a long-distance is extremely high, thats why I think that the pistol is hated so much, not everyone knows how to use it. Plus the scope which allows you to zoom makes it a very leathal weapon, and the origin of the line of fire cannot be seen easily.

This is why I treat the pistol as a semi-silencer cause its good at long - medium ranges but at close up its a relative innefective weapon, should you lose your cool and not get the 3 bullets in the head required for a kill.

But it does not stop there, the usage of the gun is also a brilliant Anti-Sniper gun, for of you Camping Snipers out-there, the pistol was a brilliant weapon to take out the Sniper of any given team in any given situation. Sure now we have the BR but the caliber of the bullet is what makes the pistol a unique weapon, one that earns its place in the Halo 3 list.

The BR being loud, failrly detectle, The pistol was a much more leathal weapon, one that cannot be understimated under any circumstances in any given map or situation. Flame if you will but know the more you flame me, it will undeline the fact that you indeed fear the pistol!

Duel weilding was very very big in Halo 2. So it will be in Halo 3. By your understanding, the m6D will come back. IF true, then NOW it is overpowered. IF it took three to five shots, that would be like taking down in 2-3 shots. Neither pistols should return. We need one that isn't stronger than a primary weapon or can't do anything, we need something in between. a M6B(discribed in the books somewhere I believe), less accurate, but far stronger than the M6c but less stronger than the D. headshots=6 body shots equal 8 to kill. Duel weilded, theres your M6D, just duel weilded.

Another reason I don't want the old pistol to return. People would make fun of it when duel weilded and call it "double D's" :)

The old pistol wasn't included in Halo 2 due to duel weilding, which I find balanced. The old pistol may be balanced for CE, but not Halo 2.

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NNNNOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! i dont want nothin from halo 1 niether halo 2 in halo 3 i want everything to be new the only thingthats cummin back is the beam rifle and thats not even the same so everybody who want the pistol back jus 4 a easy 2 shot kill is a noob in my opinion

wow so you basically dont want halo interesting, and make sure you calm down I bet you were yelling when you wrote this


how am i sayin i want halo not interestin jus cuz i want everything to be new boy u is a idiot
How can you dare call someone an idiot in that post?

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ok, all that you said right there, is why the gun is pretty unfair.

I mean, HOW THE IN THE H3LL CAN A PISTOL TAKE OUT A SNIPER IN A FEW SHOTS!!!???

Thank you for listening.
That sniper must have been a bad shot. That pistol is underpowered. The pistol is .50 cal, armor peircing, and high velocity and had a scope. Don't give me shi7 about balance, realism for me. That thing should be able to level someone in a shot or two, and one in the head.


Agree to dissagree here, whilst your argument is a just one, making that pistol that powerfull is too unrealistic. The pistol took 2 shots to the head to get the shield down and one to pierce the armour and finish off the target, anywhere else it took 4 shots to get the shield down and again one more to kill them off.

It was perfect the way it was.

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Who is to say the Pistol would be dual wieldable?

You know, there's these two things called "Balance" and "Recoil", read up sometime. ;)

I say to bring back both pistols

Magnum a 7sk, up close weapon no dual wield, small clip size, longer reload, lots more damage, slower ROF

Pistol is a 9sk, up close side-arm, no scope, and cab be dual wielded. Same 12 round magazine.

Battle Rifle is a 4 shot kill Rifle, carbine-based, has range equal to the M6D and has hardly any auto aim like the Original Pistol.



[Edited on 7/18/2006]

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
Duel weilding was very very big in Halo 2. So it will be in Halo 3. By your understanding, the m6D will come back. IF true, then NOW it is overpowered. IF it took three to five shots, that would be like taking down in 2-3 shots. Neither pistols should return. We need one that isn't stronger than a primary weapon or can't do anything, we need something in between. a M6B(discribed in the books somewhere I believe), less accurate, but far stronger than the M6c but less stronger than the D. headshots=6 body shots equal 8 to kill. Duel weilded, theres your M6D, just duel weilded.

Another reason I don't want the old pistol to return. People would make fun of it when duel weilded and call it "double D's" :)

The old pistol wasn't included in Halo 2 due to duel weilding, which I find balanced. The old pistol may be balanced for CE, but not Halo 2.

Maybe players just shouldn't be able to duel-wield the Pistol in Halo 3. They could duel-wield other weapons, but maybe just not the strong Pistol.

Posted by: Diablo 177
Agree to dissagree here, whilst your argument is a just one, making that pistol that powerfull is too unrealistic. The pistol took 2 shots to the head to get the shield down and one to pierce the armour and finish off the target, anywhere else it took 4 shots to get the shield down and again one more to kill them off.

It was perfect the way it was.

I think that the Pistol from Halo 1 used explosive bullets and that's why it was so strong.

[Edited on 7/18/2006]

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ok, all that you said right there, is why the gun is pretty unfair.

I mean, HOW THE IN THE H3LL CAN A PISTOL TAKE OUT A SNIPER IN A FEW SHOTS!!!???

Thank you for listening.
That sniper must have been a bad shot. That pistol is underpowered. The pistol is .50 cal, armor peircing, and high velocity and had a scope. Don't give me shi7 about balance, realism for me. That thing should be able to level someone in a shot or two, and one in the head.


Agree to dissagree here, whilst your argument is a just one, making that pistol that powerfull is too unrealistic. The pistol took 2 shots to the head to get the shield down and one to pierce the armour and finish off the target, anywhere else it took 4 shots to get the shield down and again one more to kill them off.

It was perfect the way it was.
Well thank you for not responding with idiocy, rare on these forums. Yes, we can agree to disagree and argue this all night long, but this argument has been done before, and does not need reiterated.

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
Duel weilding was very very big in Halo 2. So it will be in Halo 3. By your understanding, the m6D will come back. IF true, then NOW it is overpowered. IF it took three to five shots, that would be like taking down in 2-3 shots. Neither pistols should return. We need one that isn't stronger than a primary weapon or can't do anything, we need something in between. a M6B(discribed in the books somewhere I believe), less accurate, but far stronger than the M6c but less stronger than the D. headshots=6 body shots equal 8 to kill. Duel weilded, theres your M6D, just duel weilded.

Another reason I don't want the old pistol to return. People would make fun of it when duel weilded and call it "double D's" :)

The old pistol wasn't included in Halo 2 due to duel weilding, which I find balanced. The old pistol may be balanced for CE, but not Halo 2.

Maybe players just shouldn't be able to duel-wield the Pistol in Halo 3. They could duel-wield other weapons, but maybe just not the strong Pistol.
True, but it would just feel odd to not duel weild a small weapon.

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The Pistol was actually pretty large in Halo 1.

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I like all the above ideas, having the magnum to duel wield whilst the pistol will be one it own thus giving more varieties to sidearms.

Hmm, interesting thinking there/

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Posted by: Gunudown117
ok I think you made some good points but it just isnt that realistic that a small handgun could push a bullet that far to need a scope


Guess you've never seen a shooting competition then. On ESPN they use to show them...and those guys had scopes on their pistols. And, it isn't a small handgun, it's a very large handgun. And....it doesn't have a scope on it. It uses a smart zoom system on the visor.

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The only pistol that should be in Halo 3 is a upgraded magnum like the one in Halo 2 but it takes a little more than half the clip to kill someone instead of a whole clip sort of like the magnum was befoer the update that made it weaker and still it would have no scope and would be weak while duel wielding.

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Posted by: SatanInASweater
The Pistol was actually pretty large in Halo 1.
Strip off the long magazine that sticks out of the barrel and the scope thing ontop and it resembles the MAgnum. Hell, I have some action figures, I got both pistols and they are the same size. You can think the old pistol was big, but if you think about it Needlers, Plasma Rifles, and SMGs are bigger. Adn we can duel weild them.

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
True, but it would just feel odd to not duel weild a small weapon.


Not unless you didn't played Halo 1 much :o)

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
True, but it would just feel odd to not duel weild a small weapon.


Not unless you didn't played Halo 1 much :o)
Well, there isn't any duel weilding in Halo 1... There likely will be in Halo 3.

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
Strip off the long magazine that sticks out of the barrel and the scope thing ontop and it resembles the MAgnum. Hell, I have some action figures, I got both pistols and they are the same size. You can think the old pistol was big, but if you think about it Needlers, Plasma Rifles, and SMGs are bigger. Adn we can duel weild them.


Have you even played Halo CE? The magazine doesn't stick out of the barrel. It's in the same place most pistol magazines are. And what scope thing on top? There is no scope on top.

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I think we should all agree on one thing, even if it returns, I don't want the Hunter=1 shot kill again. Made things way to easy.

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
Strip off the long magazine that sticks out of the barrel and the scope thing ontop and it resembles the MAgnum. Hell, I have some action figures, I got both pistols and they are the same size. You can think the old pistol was big, but if you think about it Needlers, Plasma Rifles, and SMGs are bigger. Adn we can duel weild them.


Have you even played Halo CE? The magazine doesn't stick out of the barrel. It's in the same place most pistol magazines are. And what scope thing on top? There is no scope on top.
The think ontop of the end of the barrel. Looks like a type of scope to me. Lift it up, look through it. The guns were reletivly the same size either way.

The magazine is sticking out...and the thing ontop is clearly a scope.

let's get back to the main discussion.

[Edited on 7/18/2006]

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
Strip off the long magazine that sticks out of the barrel and the scope thing ontop and it resembles the MAgnum. Hell, I have some action figures, I got both pistols and they are the same size. You can think the old pistol was big, but if you think about it Needlers, Plasma Rifles, and SMGs are bigger. Adn we can duel weild them.

I don't think that the old Pistol even had a scope. I think that the Master Chief used a zoom function on his visor. Also, the Needler, the Plasma Rifle, and the Submachine Gun could be large in volume but light in weight. Anyway, the Pistol in Halo 3 could just be larger than it was in Halo 1 or Halo 2.

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
I think we should all agree on one thing, even if it returns, I don't want the Hunter=1 shot kill again. Made things way to easy.


True but the value in that situation was knowledge, remember the first time you took on a Hunter with a pistol and did not know its weakness? That was scary man, but yeah once you knew they were too easy to take down, so may I suggest more armour on a Hunter?

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Posted by: SatanInASweater
Posted by: HaloFighter92
Strip off the long magazine that sticks out of the barrel and the scope thing ontop and it resembles the MAgnum. Hell, I have some action figures, I got both pistols and they are the same size. You can think the old pistol was big, but if you think about it Needlers, Plasma Rifles, and SMGs are bigger. Adn we can duel weild them.

I don't think that the old Pistol even had a scope. I think that the Master Chief used a zoom function on his visor. Also, the Needler, the Plasma Rifle, and the Submachine Gun could be large in volume but light in weight. Anyway, the Pistol in Halo 3 could just be larger than it was in Halo 1 or Halo 2.
I suppose. but if it was bigger than it used to be, that wouldn't be the M6D then.

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Posted by: Diablo 177
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I think we should all agree on one thing, even if it returns, I don't want the Hunter=1 shot kill again. Made things way to easy.


True but the value in that situation was knowledge, remember the first time you took on a Hunter with a pistol and did not know its weakness? That was scary man, but yeah once you knew they were too easy to take down, so may I suggest more armour on a Hunter?
Good idea. But then the hunter could be too hard, seeing as how the armor is made out of an indestructable material.

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I suppose. but if it was bigger than it used to be, that wouldn't be the M6D then.

It could just be a different skin with the same values in terms of damage, rate of fire, and reload speed.

[Edited on 7/18/2006]

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Ok how about this then, give the hunters Armour all around, but have slids in their helmets making the head the only weak spot, so to get the kill you need a precise head shot with the pistol or sniper.

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I hope this tread gets locked for being a repeat and this belongs in the weapons ideas tread.

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