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  • 07.19.2006 9:31 AM PDT
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Well, it WAS advertising something. And that is what the classifieds is for. It belonged in both forums, but more in the Classifieds than in the Septagon.

Sorry.

The moderator should've acknowleged you for making the post in the first place though. Almost like taking credit.

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  • 07.19.2006 9:38 AM PDT

I wondered about that thread myself; but since the moderator that moved it didn't post (we don't always have to post when we move things, as you well know) I don't have a clue who did it and can't ask him why it was moved. The problem is, I am not one to step on other people's shoes and reverse a decision they have made for one reason or another, since we are a team. My own morals will not allow me to move that back until I get consent from another moderator...

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  • 07.19.2006 9:40 AM PDT

(10:19:49 PM) Scruss: oh and pezza, i saw what you did to that cat
(10:20:17 PM) Pezza: You were the one with the video camera breathing heavily. Of course you saw.

Yes, I did not expect the Tournament thread to get put into the classifieds. To be honest almost no one ever bothers to go to that forum. I was dissapointed to, it could have drawn good publicity for the Tournament, allowing people to join up more easily.

But me saying this is actually off topic. Yes, for the most part there actually isn't many things that actually have to do much with the community as a whole, or even a single person anymore, and suprisingly it might even get locked. Both lines cross at a certain point when it comes to tournament/community stuff about bringing the community together. Why is it thrown in the classifieds for no to see? I wish i knew.

  • 07.19.2006 9:42 AM PDT
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I agree, as much as I may not want to sign up, i thought it belonged here. Also, it asks you to reply, but you can't reply in Classified posts, that's against the rules

  • 07.19.2006 9:44 AM PDT

imp, don't take this the wrong way, but i think you may be over-reacting a bit. Yes, it used to be more like you say, but times change, and the website and people have changed as well. Is it good? No. Its simply different.

And that's not to say that its bad.

I know that at least once a week there's two or three threads asking the same question, and someone here answers it instantly. If anything, the help on this forum is better than any other forum, with the possible exception of The Underground.

As for this particular thread, i do agree with you on that. *sits awaiting answer*

  • 07.19.2006 9:45 AM PDT
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The Septagon's description is 7th Column and Community. The tournament that was brought-up was meant to get the 7th Column Community together and play some matches.

Why is it that the 7th Column Tournament was moved to the Classifieds, while the Myth Tourament threads get to remain in The Underground? The Myth tournaments belong in The Underground because they are about Bungie Oldschool, the same way the 7th Column Tournament belonged in the Septagon because it was about the community.

-LF

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  • 07.19.2006 9:47 AM PDT

Posted by: Rainman89
Also, it asks you to reply, but you can't reply in Classified posts, that's against the rules
*cough*

Well, that's true and not true. There are other "tournament" threads in The Classifieds that I have allowed to stay open because it would be impossible to set it up properly if I locked them. The reason I wouldn't have put that thread in The Classifieds was because it directly involved The 7th Column (groups) and the community. The other tournaments usually just involve single people or clans and don't involve the Bungie.net community that much.

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  • 07.19.2006 9:48 AM PDT
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What I find odd, is that usually community contests do belong in this forum; the Wallpaper, fan art, avatar contests etc.

  • 07.19.2006 9:50 AM PDT
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Read about the Forgotten Spartan I Program
Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

exactly, they are advertisements for contests too. Some even involve cash prizes.

  • 07.19.2006 9:51 AM PDT
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I know what you mean, Impy, with the 'degrading' of the 7th Column, I remember some great community discussions that were around back in the day, such as the Chapter Founders like you said and 7th Column Council discussions. Topics like those use to define what the 7th Column truly was, A place were the community could get together and help both each other and the community as a whole. Now more recently I'm seeing this Forum slide slowly down into a more 'on-topic Flood' if anything else. Personally I liked the old ways.

As for the Halo 2 Tourney thread I do believe it should have stayed in the Septagon. For all the reasons stated above and those stated by others.

  • 07.19.2006 10:12 AM PDT
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Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

I know what you mean, gnome.

Even in the short time I've been here, I've noticed a slide in septagon quality. I'm not blaming the mods, there are more tha nenough now, and they aren't in any way the problem. It's just the people, all threads are about questions, custom avatar's and the like, not helping the community. Hopefully once the new members that came post-Halo 3 trailer settly down, the Septagon will be right again.

  • 07.19.2006 10:20 AM PDT
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Yea I suppose this place is getting a bit dirty. I don't know why that post was moved, but I'll move it back.

  • 07.19.2006 10:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: stosh
Yea I suppose this place is getting a bit dirty. I don't know why that post was moved, but I'll move it back.


Stosh FTW. :)

  • 07.19.2006 10:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I can see that it was moved, and while I can follow the logic that would have caused a ninja to relocate the thread, I am of the opinion that it (and the community) are better served by it being in The Septagon.


Going by the books, it contained a group link, and therefore could be seen as an advertisement. Links to groups always raise flags, which then leads into your next point, which I don't think I need to quote.

To go onto the subject, I'm not exactly sure how we are supposed to "fix" this forum. Are you proposing we cease our merriment and become serious, and only begin threads that have to do with helping other members? Do we only post when somebody has an important question, and wait for the mods to lock anything that doesn't have to do with helping a member understand Bungie.net? I fail to see what we can do. If somebody made a thread asking how they could best do something for their group (much like the occasional thread we get on how best to advertise), we would help them. What are we supposed to do when people do not make these threads?

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  • 07.19.2006 10:53 AM PDT

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I think problems arise when there is a fine line between two or more decisions i.e. is this advertising a normal tournament or is it a community thing enabling people to come together?
Seeing as how i personally see this as the latter, i would certainly be inclined to say it belongs in The Septagon.

The other issue with this place, as you say imp, is that topics have seemingly changed. I would personally love to see much more community related threads and less repetitive and samey threads. I would also love for more chapter related topics to be here too, however, i understand the amount of problems that is sure to be a consequence.

  • 07.19.2006 11:24 AM PDT

How is someone supposed to unite a community if thier post goes somewhere where no one sees it? Sign ups for a live game/ tournament of this magnatude simply cannot go into the classifieds. New people don't even know the classifieds exsist.

  • 07.19.2006 11:49 AM PDT

*cries* Not only did I post this in the wrong spot, i doubled posted by accident also. Sorry. *cries again*

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  • 07.19.2006 11:54 AM PDT
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I can see that it was moved, and while I can follow the logic that would have caused a ninja to relocate the thread, I am of the opinion that it (and the community) are better served by it being in The Septagon.


Going by the books, it contained a group link, and therefore could be seen as an advertisement. Links to groups always raise flags, which then leads into your next point, which I don't think I need to quote.

"The books" are a guideline, and we should use them to assist in making decisions. But they are not always the final word.

For example, Chapter Founders is "advertised" in threads in this very forum. Do I consider that improper? No, because letting group management, leaders and founders know that there are resources available to them is more important than calling it a violation of the letter of the law.

It is a slippery slope, and that is why I can clearly understand how a fellow ninja could have seen that thread and decided that it should be moved. I would not and do not fault them for making such a decision, even if I looked at the same thread, considered that action and decided differently.

We ninja are all human beings, we make decisions, and I am not willing to call the fact that it was moved a "mistake". It was a decision, and an understandable one. But we have (to varying degrees) calmly discussed the matter and now we ALL have the benefit of seeing alternate views on the matter. I'd like to think that we're all better off because of that discussion.


I didn't think that my post had anything to do with actually condemning the ninja(s) who made the decision to move it. If it was misconstrued that way, I did not intend it. The problem is that the books bring up controversy, which make mods make difficult choices. Hence this problem.

While I won't disagree that this forum may be falling apart, I don't see how voicing complaints leads into a method of improving the forum. If you think the Septagon is falling apart in some way, perhaps you could propose methods of improving it. Saying that you feel the community is falling apart and that you're sick of it won't make you a martyr and help to improve the community.

  • 07.19.2006 12:03 PM PDT