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Personally, the GM seems like a flood variant who seems to have extreme power. Not many flood can tap into high charity's inter-com :D. Not necessarily the creator, of the flood, but more of a ..."elder" flood. Flood are smart. They seem quite stupid, but if i recall in halo 1, 343 says "the parasitic nature of the Flood belies their intelligence". What is interesting is that they are able to function the machinery and technology of their host to an amazing degree, and are able to fire weaponry and repair damaged electrical and mechanical equipment at a surprisingly nominal level. To me, the Gravemind is an..."evolved" flood.

Note that there are many types of flood. Infection (small bite-size guys), Carrier (the exploding guys), and Soldier (the normal attacking flood). What we forget is that their are more variations, such as the Pilot flood. If you recall the large immobile flood on the bridge of Truth and Reconciliation on the level Keyes in Halo 1. This flood is insanely smart and can take its host's memory and strip it down and use it to its advantage.

My point (finally): Flood evolve to suit their needs. The gravemind is just a flood form that has been on halo for much time and has evolved.

Note: This can open up another theory: How does the GM get off of the halo ring, and onto high charity? (as seen in the final cutscene with cortana)
Note 2: This is probaly 100% inaccurate but hey, its a theory :D

  • 07.21.2006 5:49 PM PDT
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I don't think Grave mind is the creator of the flood but more a king or leader, like the phrophets. If he were the creater he would probably be a bit more simpathatic seeing he was responsible for the extinction of his people. He would probably want to die because of what he had been through.If he was the creator he might want halo to be destroyed so he doesn't have to suffer. But if he were the leader that would be a big reason why he had MC and the Arbiter stop the ring from activating.




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  • 07.21.2006 5:53 PM PDT
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the elites dont have any thing on there back ive seen there back lots of times when i sneak up on the in campaing

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  • 07.21.2006 6:05 PM PDT
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GRAVEMIND WAS NOT A FORERUNNER!

The flood is a virus and so is gravemind.

  • 07.21.2006 6:08 PM PDT
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who says he wasent we wont know for certin untill we beat halo 3

  • 07.21.2006 6:12 PM PDT
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oh its you whtu hapend to the flood in the pit? there were hundreds of thousands howd you survive

  • 07.21.2006 6:12 PM PDT
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Study more into the story of Halo. You will soon find out that he was not a forerunner.

  • 07.21.2006 6:13 PM PDT
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did you copy and paste that link in my first post ti sounds asactly like the grave mind

  • 07.21.2006 6:39 PM PDT
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i know the grave mind is the flood but hm i just thought of something whut if who ever created the flood acidently made the gravemind and then the grave mind created the infection formes that inturn created carrysers and combat forms

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  • 07.22.2006 11:05 AM PDT
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i think the forerunners created their own worst enemy. the flood was a forerunner experiment that went horribly wrong.

  • 07.22.2006 11:06 AM PDT
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yah but i was thinking that wat if that the gravemind was once a forerunner and acidently created the flood then helpd the forerunners creat the halos but then befor he could tell them how to activate it not to kill the floods food but the flood itself he gets taken by the flood and over the years evolves into the grave mind

and listen to that link just copy and paste it

  • 07.22.2006 11:10 AM PDT
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...didnt' the HGN say that the flood create a gravemind whenever they're released?

  • 07.22.2006 11:18 AM PDT
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how would i know i dont own it

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I think that Gravemind is the creator of the flood, well maybe he didnt really create them but he is where the disease originated, if you go down to my sig. and click on Accumulation Alpha and go to the group, under the description of the group it will say The Library, click on the Library and it will give you alot of info about halo including info about the gravemind (and now this is a trick to get you to join my group just do it)!!

  • 07.22.2006 11:25 AM PDT
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** GRAPHIC NOVEL SPOILER **


In the Graphic Novel, in the first story "Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor", the Flood commandeer a Covie ship during the events of Halo CE. While on it, we learn that the Flood actually BUILD a leader type creature using corpses. We also learn something new about the Flood: they absorb the knowledge of WHOEVER they kill and absorb. As they absorb more Covie troops in the story, they start establishing perimeters, covering one another, etc... it's all very interesting. Anywho, the leader creature as well becomes more intelligent with every new addition. This is almost definitely what Captain Keyes was turning into in Halo CE, and a hint towards what Gravemind is.

Also, the Gravemind creature in the Graphic Novel says to the Covenant "The Forerunners could not defeat us- how could you expect to?"

To me, Gravemind was MUCH more intelligent than this creature. I'm wondering if Gravemind has been around since the Flood/ Forerunner war.

Hopefully that gives a little help into the discussion of what Gravemind actually- you should check out the Graphic Novel, it actually gives some great story tidbits.

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In halo graphic novel *spoiler* the flood gather bodies to creat a grave mind, the more bodies they have the smarter this grave mind thing is, i think gravemind from halo 2 what compiled from forerunner

  • 07.22.2006 11:59 AM PDT
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i dun think hes the creator of the flood well from wat is known i dont think he is theres a higher power somewere

  • 07.22.2006 12:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Forever Grunty
In halo graphic novel *spoiler* the flood gather bodies to creat a grave mind, the more bodies they have the smarter this grave mind thing is, i think gravemind from halo 2 what compiled from forerunner


ok that gives a twist to my theroy he may not of created it but might be compiled of hundreds of forerunenrs and seeign how forerunenrs were smart and able to build the halos that might be why the gravemind is so smart

  • 07.22.2006 1:39 PM PDT
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no dude the forunners created the flood u dumasses gravemind is a evolved flood like captain keys was

  • 07.22.2006 1:43 PM PDT
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By playing halo you learn that the flood absorb the knowledge and memories of who ever they consume not just in the grapic novel. And the Gravemind can teleport. You would think wait a second if he can teleport Master Chief and The Arbiter then why not him self. Well see sense he obtains everyones thoughts and all that other good stuff and he absorbed the Prophet I wonder.... lol

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  • 07.22.2006 2:06 PM PDT
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If im not mistaken the thing that consumes CAPTAIN KEYES is Gravemind.

  • 07.22.2006 2:06 PM PDT
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Oh and by the way the guy above me is right the Forerunners created the Flood. The flood is a virus they made. And they made the Ark and all that to kill the Flood if it ever got out of hand. Learn your HALOOOOO man.

  • 07.22.2006 2:08 PM PDT
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Edited Post, as I read the rest of this thread:

Okay, yeah. No point in me repeating it. I agree with the Keyes theory, though I doubt he just "teleported", I tend to believe Gravemind isn't just an evolved flood like keyes was, I think he's one in the same.

Posted by: Folvex
Oh and by the way the guy above me is right the Forerunners created the Flood. The flood is a virus they made. And they made the Ark and all that to kill the Flood if it ever got out of hand. Learn your HALOOOOO man.


Okay, first off... The Halo's were created to kill everything but the flood, effectively causing them to have no food. They would then de-evolve into their passive state that you originally found them on Halo and go into hibernation. The halo's actually had NO EFFECT on the Flood directly whatsoever and cannot cause their direct extinction.

I'm also going to tell you my theory on the Ark now. Take it with a grain of salt if you'd like, it's my opinion though:

The Arks name alone suggests it is a way to survive the Halos. The Forerunners, as Gravemind said, knew what they wrought when they created the Halos. They also created the flood, as I think most of us have all realized at this point. This is key, but I'll go back to that later.

The Forerunners were clearly a massively technologically advanced race. Think to the Halo novels at this point and do you remember the crystal that bent space and time? That was a small portable crystal that managed to accomplish that. It proves the Forerunners had knowledge of bending, perhaps even breaking, the laws of time. I'm going to take a big leap of faith here and say that the crystal was probably not the only one that existed, I'm sure they made other devices simular and I'm going to have to assume some of these devices were even more high tech than the one we've seen.

Back to the Ark: In the biblical sense, it was a way to survive. I believe it's the same here, the Ark isn't just a control device - it's a way to survive the Halos. But the fact is: Everything was DEAD after Halo's went off, so how did they survive? The Forerunners are gone, if the Ark let them survive where are they? The answer, I believe, lies in the crystal. I think the Ark did the same thing the crystal does to a bigger degree. I think it sent those inside to another time. You can't very well be wiped out by an explosion of sorts if you're in another time, can you?

I dont think the forerunners, whatever and whoever they are, were inhiliated by Halo. I think it's true what the forerunners AI said, that the galaxy was wiped out, but at that TIME the Forerunners wern't in it.

So whether the Forerunners are a race we've seen (Prophets, for example) - or humans that have simply forgotten the origins, I doubt it. I think they're something entirely different. Will we see them? I have no idea, they could pop back into existence. Hell, when the Ark (as I believe it is) turns on in the trailer, our old friends may be sitting inside waiting.

Now, going along with my theory we have another problem: Why would they create the Flood and the Halos in the first place. The devices would kill everybody else but never really eliminate the flood threat permanently, it would be a cycle that would effectively never end. And besides, why would they keep them on the Halos? A race that technologically advanced could have easily inhiliated the things after they went into their passive least-evolved state, one would think.

I think they wanted the Flood to infect everything. I have no idea WHY, unless they -ARE- some kind of Flood origin. Or perhaps it ensures that when they return from their little time-travel trip, they are the dominant force in the Galaxy. It's quite possible the flood are no immediate threat to them (Sgt Johnson, as we learned from the books, was immune to flood infection - maybe they designed the flood so they too are immune to them). That would explain the flood, I suppose, but why they needed to create the Halos and why they wanted to wipe out the universe in the first place, I have no idea. Maybe they WERNT the dominant force in the universe ;).

That's my speculation, but it starts to go off onto speculation ontop of speculation, so I doubt its all even close to accurate. But that's what I think on the whole flood/ark thing. I think the crystal was too important of an artifact to be left out of the entire ordeal - and I dont think the Forerunners, with all their advanced technology, would ever allow themselves to be inhiliated by their own creations - especially if they have the means to generate the kind of power it would take to inhiliate the galaxy ON TOP of knowledge of time manipulation. Seems like I'd just get the hell out of dodge. :)

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  • 07.22.2006 2:27 PM PDT
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Yes Gravemind is a basic flood form like the rest. He most likley along with his fellow flood came up with the plan for them to absorb the captain of the humans beings Captian Keyes and from there forth they would make a plan to someway get the covenant to take gravemind aboard their ship for further studys.

  • 07.22.2006 2:31 PM PDT
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Which would also explain how Gravemind gets on Delta Halo. Probaly because they bought him to Delta Halo on a ship. Personally I think one of the Phrophets had him on their ship like morons and brought him to the other Halo. And yeah him teleporting sounds far fetched but it could be possible or he boarded a ship like you see the Flood using human pelicans and stuff and he got on High Charity. I also think that Cortana is working with him. I think she stayed in the network not because wow it could EXPLODE. Haha but because she wanted to join and make a pact with the Gravemind.

  • 07.22.2006 2:34 PM PDT