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ok if you read my first post i think it is i said that i think the grave mind used to be a forerunner and then he acidently created the flood and then helpd make the halos then before he could tell them how to activate it properly to kill the flood not there food

  • 07.22.2006 2:46 PM PDT
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I just updated my post quite a bit, enjoy the read or don't. But thats my opinion on the Flood, the Ark, and the Forerunners.

  • 07.22.2006 2:46 PM PDT
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Didn't the Forerunners "encounter" the flood near Threshold? I thought that's the way it happened, which explains why there are Flood with the "Heretics" in Halo 2.

  • 07.22.2006 2:49 PM PDT
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Where did you ever hear that the Forerunners "encounted" the flood? It seems to me that they "created" the flood, not "encountered".

I don't recall any reading material that ever suggested otherwise, in game or not.

  • 07.22.2006 2:51 PM PDT
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On the limited edition DVD, Joseph Staten says it.

  • 07.22.2006 2:54 PM PDT
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Shadow alot of the things your saying have already been said before so if someone says something that you think you thought of first then your most likley wrong.

  • 07.22.2006 2:57 PM PDT
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i know i havent read the hgn or first strike yet im planing to get them in the near futcher or how ever you spell it and also that new halo book comeing out and where would they of enconterd the flood near threshhold on basis maybe? or an outer planet in that system? but i guse if they encouterd the flood near threshhold that would explain why one of the halos were there

  • 07.22.2006 4:25 PM PDT
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If you havent learned yet the Flood were a virus created on earth in the ARK. dun dun dun.

  • 07.22.2006 4:38 PM PDT
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YES! well iv said this before if it says that in the graphic novel i wouldnt know i still havent bought it yet!

  • 07.22.2006 4:39 PM PDT
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Well who said its in the grapic novel?

  • 07.22.2006 4:42 PM PDT

Gravemind is not the creator of the flood, he is just a very old, even ancient flood being who has been around to see the forrunners die.

  • 07.22.2006 4:45 PM PDT
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or if its in HGN FIRST STRIKE OR THE NEWEST ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 07.22.2006 4:53 PM PDT
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<P>In the end, they will all be little more than nuisances. I am so close – you
cannot imagine what it is truly like to hold eternity in your grasp! I wonder to
what gods my enemies will direct their pleas. Perhaps I can convert them. </P>
<P>Mania? I promise you this: it will be more than a cart and plow that I drive
over the bones of the dead.</P>
<P>By sharp and flame,</P>
<P>Cortana</P>

That was taken from the Cortana Letters. Sorry its a little off topic from Gravemind buts that for you who havent read it.

  • 07.22.2006 4:59 PM PDT
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yah but i have no idea whtu that ment

  • 07.22.2006 5:39 PM PDT
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hm but if the forerunner did make the flood how did they

  • 07.22.2006 6:29 PM PDT
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How do scientist make viruses and cures? How do they make the atom bomb?

  • 07.22.2006 6:35 PM PDT
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expermentation and a labratory but whtu they experimated on and the labatory they used is ablivous to us

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The ark and the Halos are the labratorys obviously. They didnt experiment on anything they made the flood from scratch. Can you just IM like I told you too in that message so we can talk about this on something else beside bungie.net

  • 07.22.2006 7:28 PM PDT
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To play or not to play....

Here you go

http://halosm.bungie.org/story/

The prayer in full.

This prayer apparently is played backwards during the fight sequence when you play the Master Chief and you are inside the Covenant bas (mosuleum or what ever that purple base thing was). While inside you rescue a few marines and take on some covenant guards etc.

If you listen you can here some creapy prayer like thing playing amungst the music. Apparently if you play it backwards you here something truly strange.

Here it is copy and pasted.

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...I have walked among men and angels for three thousand years. Time has no end... no beginning... no purpose.

I wander the earth, seeking forgiveness for my horrible crimes against God and man.

I live to see death, destruction, over the light, but the light cannot be extinguished.

I live in a prison of my own demise.

I am lost in time... (repeats)
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At first I couldn't really figure it out but I think someone is infected by the flood hence they can not die. They are trying desperately to kill the Flood so they can die but the Flood can not die. The crimes are the crimes this person has committed either as the Flood or trying to kill the Flood.

Possibly the Gravemind is a bit sick of living as he was saying some remorsefull things to the Prophet of Truth. As the MC fights through High Charity you can hear Truth speaking over the intercom thingy. He is ranting on how the flood will not over run the Covenant and then the Gravemind responds with something like "Arrogant creature your deaths will be instanteous. I shall suffer the agony of eternity."

It seems eternal life is not all it cracks up to be.


  • 07.22.2006 7:48 PM PDT
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hm but if the forerunner did make the flood how did they


Maybe they didn't make the Flood maybe they improved on a creature they found and as they were experimenting on it something went horribly wrong. The Flood have some desirable traits such as being able to heal very quickly and even being able to come back to life after death. The Flood also seem to retain knowledge as a collective even when an infected creture dies its knowledge is retained by the Flood.

Seems to me that any intelligent race would want to experiment on such a thing as the Flood the forerunners probably thought they had the ability to control the Flood. However there arrogance and deluded sense of immortality cost them DEARLY.

  • 07.22.2006 7:52 PM PDT

http://card.mygamercard.net/cylinder/fire/Zarcjap.png

think about it. in the halo3 tralier u can here gravemind talk "with" cortana saying the same thing. u can only here this at one point when she says "i have dified gods and 'demons'" when she says demons u here him. then she says i am your fielty i am your "sourse" and if graveminds talking there then hat do u think?

  • 07.22.2006 8:02 PM PDT
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yes that is very posible

  • 07.22.2006 8:04 PM PDT
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Its sword not source. And another thing just because you hear gravemind speaking with her doesnt mean he is controlling her if you have read the Cortanan letters like the one I posted you can see plainly that she wants everyone to convert to her ways. She wants power. I think his and her voice together mean that they are working together as a team to destroy the rings. Thats why shes helping to destroy the rings. Its probally because she wants power and Gravemind is helping her obtain it.

  • 07.22.2006 8:06 PM PDT
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Or he has promised her something and they have made a pact.

  • 07.22.2006 8:07 PM PDT
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She helps Gravemind destroy the rings while Gravemind helps Cortana get closer to the source of the rings powers so she can live longer than her 7 years or get more data.

  • 07.22.2006 8:08 PM PDT