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The Arbiter was originally sent to the Heretic homeworld as a possible (suicide?) mission to kill the Heretic leader. Although it made sense as a mission, it really didn't serve any purpose to the grand plot. I think it was placed in the game to allow for a foreshadow.

(A foreshadow is something that gives a good hint as to what might happen in the future. Most of the time the characters involved in the foreshadow don't suspect that something is going to happen in the future. An example in movies is when we see a killer hide inside a room, and then the unsuspecting victim walks into the room later on, not knowing his/her fate.)

I think the Arbiter killing the Heretic leader was a possible foreshadow to the Arbiter replacing the Heretic leader, therefore becoming the new leader. I think that if the Arbiter goes to Earth to stop Truth, he would need an army, and since everyone else is fighting for the Great Journey, he needs an army that will fight against that. And the only creatures that do that are the humans and the Heretics.

I think the Arbiter will most likely return to the Heretics, and claim the throne in order to amass an army.

  • 07.25.2006 8:53 PM PDT
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the heretics dont have a homeworld.they were parts of the covenant that broke away and defy the prophets

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Posted by: BeamSnipe12
the heretics dont have a homeworld.they were parts of the covenant that broke away and defy the prophets


Then where was the Arbiter sent to to kill the Heretic leader? Obviously they don't live on the same planet as the rest of the covenant, or else they would've been hunted and killed.

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its probably not a foreshadow because the arbiter was sent to kill the heritic leader because he was thought to die afterwards the council said the arbiter had to be killed the prophets said the council would have they're corpse but he didnt die so i dont think that is a foreshadow for anything i could be wrong but i doubt it on this topic

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Posted by: BeamSnipe12
the heretics dont have a homeworld.they were parts of the covenant that broke away and defy the prophets
I would say all the Heretics are dead, but the Elites, Hunters, and Grunts are the Heretics now. I also so that if either the Heretics or Humans wish to survive, it is in their best intrest to ally with each other.

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IF he could find them, most if not all of the heretics on threshold were killed.
I doubt any elite who was branded as a heretic would ally them selves with the arbiter, who is the will of the prophets, whether or not he follows them or not.

(edit: spelling)

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  • 07.25.2006 9:02 PM PDT
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Not all the Heretics are dead. Their main base is on Basis. The planet that Installation 04 orbited.

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Hey Graffam you're from the west? I'm from the East, Cape Cod :) Anyways, that's a possibility YourPimp, and that's true, it didn't have much to do with the plot, sort of like a side mission. Also, I think that was their home base, they weren't that many heritics, I'm pretty sure they all died away, although their could be more in other planets, trying to escape the covenant. Maybe they will come out of hiding and come to Arbiter's aid. They were only made up of elites and grunts, so. yeah, That would be awesome if it happend.

Hey Graffam, can you accept me into your group, please?

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Posted by: Pheonix 117
Not all the Heretics are dead. Their main base is on Basis. The planet that Installation 04 orbited.
Still alive, are they? Something tells me they wouldn't be so welcoming to the Arbiter, he (or us, rather) tore them a new ass.

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Since the Heretics' battlenet was distorted, I don't think any Heretic got out any communication to the rest(if there are any).

Here's a possibility of there being more Heretics. 343 Guilty Spark was picked up by a Covenant battlecruiser patrolling the wreckage of Halo 04, if not a small battlegroup that later became the Heretics. The question is, where's our missing ship(s)? It wouldn't be smart just to abandon it and let someone else pilot it back to Covenant territory. And the count within the Threshold station doesn't seem to make up a crew as large as a battlecruiser's crew(or several battlecruisers, for that matter).

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Not every elite would listen to 343. thinking creatures have a way of ignoring the truth, even when it is right in front of them.

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Well, if all Covenant think the Forerunner are godly, and an Oracle is a messenger of the gods...

The Heretic Leader shouldn't have made the atmospheric station his base(especially if he knew 04's destruction would not go uninvestigated) if he's going to run his collective mouth like that to the Prophet's ears. He should've known the Prophets would send someone to assassinate him. The only use of the station was its fuel supply and a safehouse for them and cached weapons. Had he been smarter, he would've remained in his ship(s) and roam the galaxy aimlessly to avoid being found and strike when the time is ready. Which brings another idea at the top of my head-what if instead of infiltrating the station, Arbiter was to intercept the Heretic Leader's flagship(after they've been pinpointed), then board it after a battle that left his ship disabled? There would've been alot more enemies, and to observe the Covenant ship's design revamped since the T&R. Well, maybe the Heretic Leader manages to escape then down to his hidden base on Threshold as the battle continues anew as you hunt him down.

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there are some heretic still alive obviosly. No matter what you aren't going to get everybody to agree with the covernment and especially now that they have dropped all of the elites and the others, the elites have to go somewere and I am betting that most of them will find out the truth because they will listen to the arbiter, and the arbiter has already sided with the humans. So there is the connection, care for it or not it already happened at the end of halo 2. And they may not be called the heretic, that wasn't a trator label it was there own name kind of like the french resistance or something.

Point is that once they find out that the prophets were trying to get them to activate something that will kill them they will be more then happy to fight for the good of humanity.

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there are some heretic still alive obviosly. No matter what you aren't going to get everybody to agree with the covernment and especially now that they have dropped all of the elites and the others, the elites have to go somewere and I am betting that most of them will find out the truth because they will listen to the arbiter, and the arbiter has already sided with the humans. So there is the connection, care for it or not it already happened at the end of halo 2. And they may not be called the heretic, that wasn't a trator label it was there own name kind of like the french resistance or something.

Point is that once they find out that the prophets were trying to get them to activate something that will kill them they will be more then happy to fight for the good of humanity.

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Arbiter, Elites, Grunts, and Hunters are basically all heretics now...

  • 07.25.2006 9:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: BeamSnipe12
the heretics dont have a homeworld.they were parts of the covenant that broke away and defy the prophets


Then where was the Arbiter sent to to kill the Heretic leader? Obviously they don't live on the same planet as the rest of the covenant, or else they would've been hunted and killed.


The Arbiter was sent to the remains of installation 04. The Heretics (Riligious Dissenters) were simply hiding there.

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Posted by: BeamSnipe12
the heretics dont have a homeworld.they were parts of the covenant that broke away and defy the prophets


Then where was the Arbiter sent to to kill the Heretic leader? Obviously they don't live on the same planet as the rest of the covenant, or else they would've been hunted and killed.


The Arbiter was sent to the remains of Delta Halo. The Heretics (Riligious Dissenters) were simply hiding there.


Well if they were hiding there, it could suggest that they have scattered themselves in different places, still hiding. Maybe the original heretics will unite with the new heretics (elites, grunts, hunters) to help the Arbiter.

If you look at this with the use of archetypes, it could follow the mould of a "fall and rise to power" archetype where the hero falls from power, then regains a different kind of power that is most of the time greater and more righteous than the original power. According to this archetype, the Arbiter will regain his power somehow. I think by leading the new and old heretics.

  • 07.25.2006 10:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tartan 777
Arbiter, Elites, Grunts, and Hunters are basically all heretics now...


It is a lot more complex than just race. There are few Elites who still believe in the Prophets (though some who still await the Great Journey), yes. But to leave to Covenant army is easier said than done. As for the Hunters, they will do whatever the majority of Elites do, seeing as those are the ones that tamed them. Grunts are cowards. They'll do whatever keeps them alive the longest. In all cases, the Covenant still has a huge army (even if moral is at its lowest). The ultimate downfall of the army will depend on Truth's ability to instill a sense of respect back to the ranks.

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I don't think the Heretic missions were just little side missions, I think they showed the beginning of the Arbiter's doubt in the Prophets.

Um...Delta Halo didn't blow up. It was Installation 04, not 05. 05 merely didn't fire, it didn't break in any way.

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  • 07.25.2006 10:41 PM PDT
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The heretics fled the Covenant on Halo 04 when they learned that the Prophets were false. They took refuge on a Forerunner Gas Mining turned Flood Containment and Research Station in Basis' atmosphere. Besides, they were still hunted and killed.


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Posted by: BeamSnipe12
the heretics dont have a homeworld.they were parts of the covenant that broke away and defy the prophets


Then where was the Arbiter sent to to kill the Heretic leader? Obviously they don't live on the same planet as the rest of the covenant, or else they would've been hunted and killed.

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Posted by: BeamSnipe12
the heretics dont have a homeworld.they were parts of the covenant that broke away and defy the prophets



The Heretics homeworlds are the same as the Elites and Grunts homeworlds

the grunts and elites don't even come from the same home world?

  • 07.25.2006 10:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tedi Slayer
I don't think the Heretic missions were just little side missions, I think they showed the beginning fo the Arbiter's doubt in the Prophets.

Um...Delta Halo didn't blow up. It was Installation 04, not 05. 05 merely didn't fire, it didn't break in any way.


Sorry for that little mistake. Thanks for noticing it.

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