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Subject: The State of Bungie.net
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Posted by: Rainman89
I think anywhere you are going to go you will get that. as much as no one would really like this...

How about an invite only forum. Not a group, a new forum, one that you have to gain acsess to. even if it's just time spent here. THat could be the reward of the karma system. Once you get enough then you are allowed acsess to the invite-olny forum, where it would now be safe for Bungie employees to meet with rational fans without the jerks. I know a lot of peoplewouldn't like the idea, and see it as elitist, but it would help keep us happy. Something to strive for, a reason to be active and helpful.


I've considered this, but, it would be difficult to maintain as a good forum. The only way you could keep the forum good, is something like this:

After gaining X amount of karma, you get into the forum. After 2 weeks, you must have X more, or you're out. Two weeks more, X more, and so on and so forth. After awhile, it would fizzle down to not very much at all. And lastly, b.net mods would have to be able to kick you out of it at will.

  • 08.02.2006 8:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: Rainman89
I think anywhere you are going to go you will get that. as much as no one would really like this...

How about an invite only forum. Not a group, a new forum, one that you have to gain acsess to. even if it's just time spent here. THat could be the reward of the karma system. Once you get enough then you are allowed acsess to the invite-olny forum, where it would now be safe for Bungie employees to meet with rational fans without the jerks. I know a lot of peoplewouldn't like the idea, and see it as elitist, but it would help keep us happy. Something to strive for, a reason to be active and helpful.


I don't think that would really help. It could, but for some reason I just doubt it.

Perhaps I am wrong, though.

  • 08.02.2006 8:05 AM PDT
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I think it works better in theory than practice. But if it worked right, it would be awesome. And yes, kilroy, of course mods would be able to kick you out at any time.

  • 08.02.2006 8:07 AM PDT
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I don't like the idea of a karma forum. Karma lets the forum users reward behavior that they appreciate. Look at the threads that get a lot of replies. Do you want to reinforce that? If you don't like the way things are now, you certainly don't want to reinforce the behavior with a karma system. I never did like the way the karma system on RvB works.

Ways to get karma on RvB:
* Be a girl and post pictures
* Pretend to be a girl and post pictures.
* Post pictures of partially nude anime characters
* Be a moderator or RvB team member(Why people with admin priveledges need Karma on their own website has always puzzled me, but they do it anyway.)

Yep that's what we're trying to make the community

[Edited on 8/2/2006]

  • 08.02.2006 8:18 AM PDT
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Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

No, I was suggesting the B.net form of Karma. Only mods or employees would be able to dish it out. In no way was I suggesting every member have access to the karma system. It would be behind the scenes, no one would know how much Karma they had, but they would have it.

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I think that's a better plan. I'm not sure if moderators would have time to deal with moderation and handing out karma. I've heard Achronos talk about a karma system. It was a while ago so I don't remember it exactly, but I remember he said something about it being different and getting around some of the problems. Being Achronos and all he didn't give much for specifics. :(

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  • 08.02.2006 8:30 AM PDT

Achronos' form of a kharma system would have no human interaction. Well, that is what he said at least.

  • 08.02.2006 8:31 AM PDT
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Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

well, I'm sure he could find a way. perhaps instead of giving out karma, the mods could pick like 5 people each who they saw worthy to pick Karma, too. Then we would have close to 75 people handing out Karma. Idk, I would just like to see a Forum away from the rest of the site, where only certain people could acsess.

  • 08.02.2006 8:32 AM PDT
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While the invite only forums sounds okay in concept, chances are, it'll turn into an "us-you" situation. Large chance of elitism.

  • 08.02.2006 8:32 AM PDT
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Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

but then it would have to be very exclusive, and to where "i am better than u" people would be perma-banned from it to be an example, it is only for people mature enough to be in it, and still not brag.

  • 08.02.2006 8:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rainman89
Only mods or employees would be able to dish it out.


then we would just get far more 'sucking up' as it is, with people quoting every post mods make with " LOL GOOD ONE *name* "

  • 08.02.2006 8:35 AM PDT
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Read about the Forgotten Spartan I Program
Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

Recon, I think we can blend our ideas. With my forum idea, users can feel special, with your idea they can also feel special. The only problem is, I like the fact that B.net only has standard members, and then 40 or so special members. There has to be a system where poster A can have something to feel special, but Poster B can get it easily enough if he wants it, and deserves it.

  • 08.02.2006 8:37 AM PDT
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Read about the Forgotten Spartan I Program
Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

the problem, Recon, is that some people don't want to give away their personal information. Pretty much nobody on this website knows stuff about me, And I don't want to have ot give my information up to be Premium. It really needs to be input-based, who you are should be represented by what you do.

let me put it this way Recon. I know that you are an aged gamer, I know that Dmbfan is a Father. i know Sir_B is a college student, as is Iceman.

But I want you to guess my age. Honestly, how old do you guys think I am? And It will show you why I like to be anonymous.

[Edited on 8/2/2006]

  • 08.02.2006 8:46 AM PDT
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So to change the log in subject a little, does anyone know the status of the join date removal?

  • 08.02.2006 8:57 AM PDT
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I'll tell ya'll a story. Maybe someone can apply it to the Bungie forums. It has something to do with making your bungie.net account valuable and making you want to hang on to it.

It's about amateur radio forums. Every amateur radio operator has a call sign(kd5shw for example). It's issued by the fcc and is tied to an address, name, and social security number(that last piece of information isn't public on the fcc site). On these forums it is common to go by your callsign. It's not a requirement to do this, but people who don't aren't taken as serious. If they make a post that is controversial not logging in under a callsign is a flag that this is probably trolling done under an alternate account or by someone who isn't interested in the community as much as stirring up bad feelings. These forums aren't without problems, but you definitely see less account switching. You see almost no posts by non-callsign accounts.

I'm not sure exactly how to apply this idea to Bungie. There is no government agency that issues licenses to be a Bungie fan, so this isn't directly applicable. I think gamertag linking did something to create more identity tied to your screen name. While I posted Recon posted his premium account idea, which I think is a good step.

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  • 08.02.2006 8:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rainman89

let me put it this way Recon. I know that you are an aged gamer, I know that Dmbfan is a Father. i know Sir_B is a college student, as is Iceman.

But I want you to guess my age. Honestly, how old do you guys think I am? And It will show you why I like to be anonymous.


I would guess 16

  • 08.02.2006 9:02 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Is there any way that Bungie could get around the MS Passports, and make a log-in system of their own?

Or do they have to use MS Passports as part of their contract with Microsoft? Just curious. The idea of making accounts more personal, rather than more personable, is a good one, Recon. It might separate those who use the site out of fandom from those who use the site just to be able to see their XBL stats.

  • 08.02.2006 9:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Eh...I personally like the idea of having more information on users before they can get too far into the forums. Plus with the reduction of the so-called "internet annyomity"...people might choose to think a little more often before they speak. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it could be. Granted I don't think that members need to be blantantly telling people the most intricate parts of their lives over B.net, but it is because I know things about the other people (like Recon and dmb) that helps me to understand them better. Now...if people provide further information, who is to say that that increased information would even be available to the other members. It might just be that Achronos would be about the only one who could see it, and I'm pretty sure that if he wanted to find where you lived...it would only be a few mouse clicks away. Or at least that is what he told me.......STALKER!!

~B.B.

  • 08.02.2006 9:49 AM PDT
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The thing you have to ask yourself is, do you want Halo3 to be the best they can make it and to be released as soon as possible. Or do you want to sit around on a forum complaining and trying to get/hold the interest of a staff member just to feel "special", nursing wounded pride and claiming that the staff is "inpersonal" now just because they are busy and really can't comment on half the questions and statements about halo3 and the movie thrown their way since they are all signed into non-disclosure agreements. I personally think Frank Oconnor has a great sense of humor and he, as well as many of the other staff members, try to engage themselves with the community as much as possible. They had fun at Comic Con mingling with the fans, they have fun playing various clans and groups and reporting on them, they post contests, they update information and research weekly, and I don't see what more you could want from them. Obviously the larger a community grows, the less personal it becomes. This doesn't mean the moderators and staff have become impartial to their peers, it simply means they cant engage with every possible member of this obscenely large community individually like they may have been able to do in the past.

Something I enjoy doing every day is talking to Eric Nylund via his Blog/website http://www.ericnylund.net/ It has been around for less than a month and it's been great being able to have daily feedback from him about halo and other projects he is working on. There are only about 10 of us that currently talk to him on a regular basis, but already his site is getting recognition and advertisement on everything from GameSpot to bungie.org and WikiPedia. Does this mean when his community grows larger and he doesnt leave individual comments or necessarily answer every question we ask, that he has in some way detatched himself from his fans? I think not. It just means that he, like everyone else, has a life, and while he is not trying to dodge out of his responsibilities or job (though it is not his job to even host this site while moderators are provided to do just that), he won't be able to keep up with the overwhelming amount of attention/ feedback he will be getting as the community begins to grow.

"Look at yourself Bungie.net. You've gone from a tight knit gaming community to a mass of spam topics, elitism, and random hate. The forum used to be well moderated with only 5 or 6 moderators. Now we have close to 15 and we're still losing ground. It had to be said."

That is his complaint, and the fact is, even with the moderation staff more than doubling to appease the members and fans, there is still not enough time for these people to engage with every possible member that directs a question at them or asks them to be in their group or clan (and vice versa). Perhaps they need even more moderators? Or perhaps they shouldn't have been so informal to begin with since apparently now its something the original members (dare i say "elitists" as this writer in particular pointed the finger to others said) now seem to EXPECT. These people aren't on the website or working for bungie because they need or want to make friends. They do what they do because it is their job and they enjoy doing it. Do we really need to ask our moderators/bungie staff for formal appologies every time they are too busy to comment or involve themselves in topic discussions on forums and whatnot? Do we really have to take things so personally and grumble that it was "better" before the game became so popular and more members besides yourself and the original few have imposed on some of your "quality time" with some of the bungie staff?

Come on guys! Lighten up.

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  • 08.02.2006 9:55 AM PDT
Subject: The State of Bungie.net
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I actually came up with a forum user identification thing a while ago. It was a hit in the Halo 3 forum, but that obviously wasn't the appropiate place for it.

But alas, there were too many problems with it (cliques will be formed, lines will be drawn, enemies will be made.)

I have a few more ideas on what to do for the community. I'll them later.

*edit* That was very insightful, Fred.

[Edited on 8/2/2006]

  • 08.02.2006 9:57 AM PDT