Bungie.net Community
This topic has moved here: Subject: The State of Bungie.net
  • Subject: The State of Bungie.net
Subject: The State of Bungie.net

We need some discussions. The Flood has recently been "taken over" by "rate the user above you" and "What is your favorite" threads. If I'm not mistaken, the purpose of the Flood as a forum is for non-Bungie related discussion, such as upcoming games, movies, accessories, etc.. In the threads I've mentioned, there is no discussion going on.

The same thing is happening with other forums, but I won't go into detail of that.

  • 08.31.2006 7:30 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Location: Outlaws' Summit.

Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
We need some discussions. The Flood has recently been "taken over" by "rate the user above you" and "What is your favorite" threads. If I'm not mistaken, the purpose of the Flood as a forum is for non-Bungie related discussion, such as upcoming games, movies, accessories, etc.. In the threads I've mentioned, there is no discussion going on.

The same thing is happening with other forums, but I won't go into detail of that.


We should change the "Say your Stupid Stuff here" to "Discuss Various Topics here."

We need to ban Glitch Discussions from New Mombassa. I swear, the only reason people are making those threads are so they can have 300 replies or something.

Optimatch? People need to read the stickies. Too many "Bring Back Clanmatch!!" Threads. Especially when there's already one that exists (and is official).

Halo 3 Forum seems.........ok. I don't visit it as much as I used to, but there are some unique things being discussed, which is a good thing.

And other than the repeat Flood Threads (which are finally dwindling) I think we're more or less ok. Everything seems fine at the moment in there, with the ocassional excess flaming and spamming.

  • 08.31.2006 7:42 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: impurity
I have nothing to add except that I agree with every word of this.

  • 08.31.2006 4:45 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Legendary Member

Posted by: Hysterical Joker / The Jester
For the record, i'd piss my self silly if there was an Armatik action figure.

"Lazy -zapp!-, what the hell are you doing playing with me? Get to work lazy ass."


http://www.GamesInAction.com

Better than the goddamn cheating threads. I swear, people do that only to get 300 replies.

Seriously speaking, I think that any discussion of cheating needs to be banned off these forums. Permanently. Or atleast....stuff it somewhere so that WE don't have to give a care about it, just the whiners and what-not can go there to whine and what-not in their own damn forum, or corner, whatever.

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
We need to ban Glitch Discussions from New Mombassa. I swear, the only reason people are making those threads are so they can have 300 replies or something.

  • 08.31.2006 5:53 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
We should change the "Say your Stupid Stuff here" to "Discuss Various Topics here."

We need to ban Glitch Discussions from New Mombassa. I swear, the only reason people are making those threads are so they can have 300 replies or something.

Optimatch? People need to read the stickies. Too many "Bring Back Clanmatch!!" Threads. Especially when there's already one that exists (and is official).

Halo 3 Forum seems.........ok. I don't visit it as much as I used to, but there are some unique things being discussed, which is a good thing.

And other than the repeat Flood Threads (which are finally dwindling) I think we're more or less ok. Everything seems fine at the moment in there, with the ocassional excess flaming and spamming.


Ah, but there lies the problem. You're basically saying to be more strict on the rules, but since no one pays attention to them in the first place, what good would it do?

  • 08.31.2006 6:13 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
We need some discussions. The Flood has recently been "taken over" by "rate the user above you" and "What is your favorite" threads. If I'm not mistaken, the purpose of the Flood as a forum is for non-Bungie related discussion, such as upcoming games, movies, accessories, etc.. In the threads I've mentioned, there is no discussion going on.

The same thing is happening with other forums, but I won't go into detail of that.


Im with you Hobo GRunt.

I know the mods are supposed to be a little bit more leinent on the flood. But these "user above you" and game threads should be outlawed. Also I would like to see the "No single line posts" rule enforced.

I dont want anyone to turn the forum rules into some totallitarian anti free speech 1940 german goverment like thing.

But things do need to be cleaned up a bit.

Thats not to say that i dont enjoy the forums as is. Im thankful for what i have, there are intellegent posts and discussions out there every now and then.

And to be honest i have not been on the Halo 3 forum or New mombasa in weeks.

Not because i hate everyone in it. I just dont have any reason too. Ive seen everything there is to see there and I dont have anything to contribute there either.

[Edited on 8/31/2006]

  • 08.31.2006 6:20 PM PDT

It appears that the search feature isn't helping at all. Someone just bumped one of the "rate the user above you threads", and someone posted a Pepsi v. Cola thread. There were plenty of Pepsi v. Cola threads before, and a simple search would have yielded some results. But even if he did search, I'll bet he still would have posted that thread.



[Edited on 8/31/2006]

  • 08.31.2006 6:36 PM PDT

*Sgt

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
And other than the repeat Flood Threads (which are finally dwindling) I think we're more or less ok. Everything seems fine at the moment in there, with the ocassional excess flaming and spamming.


Yea, the Flood has calmed down a bit lately, but is also less active (can you say: "kiddies go back to school!?"). I'd rather have a less active but more discussion-oriented forum anyways. If you wanted to join a chatroom, go find one... forums are message boards.

[Edited on 8/31/2006]

  • 08.31.2006 6:43 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Mythic Member

The Frozen Minority - The most infamous clan borne from the Seventh Column.

I have been stopping user above you threads and other things similar. Send me the link when they come up, I will lock them.

  • 08.31.2006 10:21 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
It appears that the search feature isn't helping at all. Someone just bumped one of the "rate the user above you threads", and someone posted a Pepsi v. Cola thread. There were plenty of Pepsi v. Cola threads before, and a simple search would have yielded some results. But even if he did search, I'll bet he still would have posted that thread.




From what ive heard the mods have found it useful. Although I have yet to use it, other than for looking up my old topics for nostalgic reasons.

Also thanks for that Pezza, It's about time. Three cheers for pezza!

[Edited on 8/31/2006]

  • 08.31.2006 11:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Greg of Halo
Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
It appears that the search feature isn't helping at all. Someone just bumped one of the "rate the user above you threads", and someone posted a Pepsi v. Cola thread. There were plenty of Pepsi v. Cola threads before, and a simple search would have yielded some results. But even if he did search, I'll bet he still would have posted that thread.




From what ive heard the mods have found it usefull. ALthough I have yet to use it, other than looking up my old topics for nostalgic reasons.


Believe me, it's a useful device, but people aren't using it right. A rule about using the search feature before posting would be nice, but it really wouldn't do any good except for giving the mods a reason to blacklist people. Which could be good.

  • 08.31.2006 11:14 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Location: Outlaws' Summit.

Well if we can get people to read the Rules before posting (and not just new members) then I have a feeling that a lot of the Spam and questionable topics will decrease.

But how do we do this? The stickies are there for a reason, but no one seems to even look at them.

  • 09.01.2006 5:52 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

At the begining of a thread that isn't that useful, yet isn't worth wasting the mods time. Just post why it isnt suitable and then post a link. Just my view.
Also a way to name and shame spammers may be a good Idea.

Just my thoughts.

  • 09.01.2006 6:06 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: GameJunkieJim
From the 7th Column Council Thread:
No, I don't think that's what he meant.

Let me see if I can explain it from my point of view and air out some of the dirty laundry we have here.

We're languishing, and have been for some time now. I'll tell you my story, even though I'm a fairly young member here compared to some who lie in the shadows, wanting to stay but desparately looking for a reason to.

(Expresses opinion with great clarity and compassion)


GameJunkieJim,

I just want you to know I really appreciate what you've written there. You've summarized some excellent points in a deeply respectful manner and your sincerity is palpable.

I think you would be an excellent ambassador for the kind of community I wish Bungie had. Instead, we have ... other spokespersons with ... different views.

Thanks again... and keep up the good work.


[Edited on 9/1/2006]

  • 09.01.2006 6:21 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

As Achronos (pardon me if I spelled it wrong, but I have bad memory :p) said earlier, he will create a group soley for gathering opinions/feedback on Bungie.net. Why do we need to wait for him? Let us, the community, collaborate ourselves.

  • 09.01.2006 6:57 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Excellent idea.

I've got a few things to do now but I'll be back later today. I'll try to spare a few moments to think a little about how we, the community, might start to make some kind of difference.

That's all I think everybody wants. That, and Shishka to admit he can't aim.

Anyways,
BBS ;)

Posted by: GameJunkieJim
Look at yourself Bungie.net. You've gone from a tight knit gaming community to a mass of spam topics, elitism, and random hate. The forum used to be well moderated with only 5 or 6 moderators. Now we have close to 15 and we're still losing ground. It had to be said


Well, I did spend some time thinking on the topic and it's probably less than surprising that my thoughts have come to... nothing much. I've quoted GJJ here because I think what he has said in the above statement is a very important part of why it's unlikely things will change.

Bungie has opened the flood-gates somewhat with Halo 2. What I mean to say is that this particular games popularity, design and accessibility for, in particular, many younger people, has clearly had direct implications for the Bungie.net community.

That is, above all other things, the reason I believe a mature and truly welcoming community on Bungie.net is a lost cause. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's not worthwhile posting here or having a browse around. What I'm saying is that the primary behaviour on display is unlikely to attract the mature gamer/fan and, as such, the mature gamer/fan will likely end up going elsewhere. GameJunkieJim, I don't think anything is going to change that.

There are other problems on these forums as well. For instance, elitism is not just displayed by those making groups and the like. In fact, more than anything else, it's that which has really brought a sour taste to my mouth as a Bungie fan.

I'm going to be honest here. I'm a 29 yr old married guy with a family, occupation and more than enough responsibility. When I decide I appreciate a game/work of art so much that I want to share that enthusiasm with a community I expect to be treated as an adult. Now, it's one thing when I am publicly insulted or 'pwned' by a young, socially immature child. It's quite another thing when I feel I am being chastised by those whom I actually hold in very high regard... or to be more accurate their official representatives.

Of course, that's only a sense of being chastised.

Whatever the case one might not stray too far from the truth if they suggest that problems have emerged from a variety of different areas....some more regrettable than others.

Still, after all is said and done, I retain the perhaps foolish hope that there is some way to improve this sorry state of affairs so we can make a community on Bungie.net that is vibrant and fun to be around. All I can actually do is what GJJ recommended.... participate.

I'll keep hanging in...

For now.

[Edited on 9/1/2006]

  • 09.01.2006 7:01 AM PDT