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Subject: The State of Bungie.net
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13/02/2005 (I've been on since then.)
Group RPG's!

DO NOT DO IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT DOING IT!

Posted by: Achronos
Gather your ideas. I'll eventually create a location where we can send these kinds of things... probably a group. I'll post in the Septagon when I have created such a place.

Posted by: Darth_Eletius
Thanks, lets hope the best happens. Is ok, to tell you what we want?


Cool, I have some.

  • 08.01.2006 12:38 PM PDT

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Some threads will get posts before others and it is the duty of the Leadership to ensure that posts are made that best suit the public welfare.

"heh"

Posted by: Achronos
Gather your ideas. I'll eventually create a location where we can send these kinds of things... probably a group. I'll post in the Septagon when I have created such a place.

Posted by: Darth_Eletius
Thanks, lets hope the best happens. Is ok, to tell you what we want?


We shouldn't use this now?

  • 08.01.2006 12:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Gather your ideas. I'll eventually create a location where we can send these kinds of things... probably a group. I'll post in the Septagon when I have created such a place.

Posted by: Darth_Eletius
Thanks, lets hope the best happens. Is ok, to tell you what we want?


Thank you Achronos.

  • 08.01.2006 12:39 PM PDT
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13/02/2005 (I've been on since then.)
Group RPG's!

DO NOT DO IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT DOING IT!

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Posted by: Achronos
Gather your ideas. I'll eventually create a location where we can send these kinds of things... probably a group. I'll post in the Septagon when I have created such a place.

Posted by: Darth_Eletius
Thanks, lets hope the best happens. Is ok, to tell you what we want?


We shouldn't use this now?


yeah

[Edited on 8/1/2006]

  • 08.01.2006 12:39 PM PDT
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Location: Outlaws' Summit.

Posted by: Achronos
NO! IT IS DONE! I HAVE SPOKEN!

Kidding. :)

Actually, all I'm doing is hiding them from the regular display on posts. If you really want to see their join date, you can look at their profile.

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Whoa Achronos, hold on. Sure, I recieve a Lot of beef sometimes for my join date, but sometimes it's an integral part of the system. Unless you have a way to keep track of the dates, so as to not be quick to judge new people who come to the site?

Here's my $0.2: Keep the join dates hidden to the members, but visible to the moderators. That way, when an off topic thread comes up, the mods can say "Oh, he's new. I'll just clue him in on the rules and advise him to look at them."

I know join dates cause a lot "segregation" sometimes, and a lot of supposed "elitism." I guess what I'm saying is: Make sure someone who's a higher-up can see it; if the members can't.



Awesome.

ACHRONOS HAS SPOKEN.

  • 08.01.2006 12:46 PM PDT
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I haven't been here for an entire day yet, and I already have some ideas to improve here, but I bet it's best if I keep to myself until then.

  • 08.01.2006 12:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: mr poopoo232
its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.

Posted by: Achronos
Gather your ideas. I'll eventually create a location where we can send these kinds of things... probably a group. I'll post in the Septagon when I have created such a place.

Posted by: Darth_Eletius
Thanks, lets hope the best happens. Is ok, to tell you what we want?


*Sigh*

When I try to start one, Just Another Fan locks the thread, nothing I do counts anymore....

*Walks Away Depressed*

  • 08.01.2006 12:49 PM PDT
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I have returned from the Untamed Lands. MOAP is dead.

Posted by: the squee masta
Posted by: Achronos
Gather your ideas. I'll eventually create a location where we can send these kinds of things... probably a group. I'll post in the Septagon when I have created such a place.

Posted by: Darth_Eletius
Thanks, lets hope the best happens. Is ok, to tell you what we want?


We shouldn't use this now?
That's old and crusty and filled with spam.

  • 08.01.2006 12:50 PM PDT
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13/02/2005 (I've been on since then.)
Group RPG's!

DO NOT DO IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT DOING IT!

Posted by: FightingRaven531
Posted by: Achronos
Gather your ideas. I'll eventually create a location where we can send these kinds of things... probably a group. I'll post in the Septagon when I have created such a place.

Posted by: Darth_Eletius
Thanks, lets hope the best happens. Is ok, to tell you what we want?


*Sigh*

When I try to start one, Just Another Fan locks the thread, nothing I do counts anymore....

*Walks Away Depressed*


yes it does!

  • 08.01.2006 12:50 PM PDT
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Only the paranoid will survive!

Posted by: Achronos
Maybe, but I have a waaaaaay better idea.

Trust me, you'll like it. :)

Posted by: EL
You know Achronos, the bottom nav bar could be moved vertically over the blank black space on the right. It's not a bad feature.


*gasp* First Person Bungie.net! That would be so hawt.

EDIT: Rant was off topic.

Posted by: Achronos
Work on that is some ways out.

The problem is that we have not figured out exactly how to keep the 7th Column relevant. You see, originally, it was used as a way to help communities form, since we didn't have Xbox Live for Halo 1. However, for Halo 2 and now 3, that purpose isn't necessary. Furthermore, there are lots of places where you can create your own website and host your own forum, and they do it way better than us. So, the trick is to figure out out what we can offer that no one else can, and redesign the groups around that.

As you have probably figured out, this is an incredibly hard problem. We're going to devote lots of thought and planning for it. Work isn't going to happen on this probably for another couple months, but I'll probably create a place to gather feedback and ideas soon. You guys use it way more than me, so maybe we can find some good ideas out of your experiences. I'll let you know, probably in a few weeks.

Posted by: Search Engine
Achronos i must remind you that the community is also a factor, and what about an update to the 7th column


Easy. Get rid of Xbox Live. Problem solved. =P

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  • 08.01.2006 12:51 PM PDT
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Don't worry we will do our plan even without any more help we can get from the Community

  • 08.01.2006 12:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: FightingRaven531
*Sigh*

When I try to start one, Just Another Fan locks the thread, nothing I do counts anymore....

*Walks Away Depressed*

You're not important enough! j/k.
We already had such (a) thread(s), and besides, it reminded me too much of an advertisement. but don't let me stop you.

  • 08.01.2006 12:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: mr poopoo232
its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.

Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: FightingRaven531
*Sigh*

When I try to start one, Just Another Fan locks the thread, nothing I do counts anymore....

*Walks Away Depressed*

You're not important enough! j/k.
We already had such (a) thread(s), and besides, it reminded me too much of an advertisement. but don't let me stop you.


*Sniff* You crushed my faith, my motivation..to...to....*Sniff* make a difference...*Sniff* Why? *Sniff* Why?

  • 08.01.2006 12:59 PM PDT
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13/02/2005 (I've been on since then.)
Group RPG's!

DO NOT DO IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT DOING IT!

Posted by: FightingRaven531
Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: FightingRaven531
*Sigh*

When I try to start one, Just Another Fan locks the thread, nothing I do counts anymore....

*Walks Away Depressed*

You're not important enough! j/k.
We already had such (a) thread(s), and besides, it reminded me too much of an advertisement. but don't let me stop you.


*Sniff* You crushed my faith, my motivation..to...to....*Sniff* make a difference...*Sniff* Why? *Sniff* Why?


Urgh, carm down.

Anyway, whats next!

  • 08.01.2006 1:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: mr poopoo232
its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.

Posted by: Darth_Eletius
Posted by: FightingRaven531
Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: FightingRaven531
*Sigh*

When I try to start one, Just Another Fan locks the thread, nothing I do counts anymore....

*Walks Away Depressed*

You're not important enough! j/k.
We already had such (a) thread(s), and besides, it reminded me too much of an advertisement. but don't let me stop you.


*Sniff* You crushed my faith, my motivation..to...to....*Sniff* make a difference...*Sniff* Why? *Sniff* Why?


Urgh, carm down.

Anyway, whats next!


You mean calm, right?

BTW it's a joke....

[Edited on 8/1/2006]

  • 08.01.2006 1:07 PM PDT
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13/02/2005 (I've been on since then.)
Group RPG's!

DO NOT DO IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT DOING IT!

Posted by: FightingRaven531
Posted by: Darth_Eletius
Posted by: FightingRaven531
Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: FightingRaven531
*Sigh*

When I try to start one, Just Another Fan locks the thread, nothing I do counts anymore....

*Walks Away Depressed*

You're not important enough! j/k.
We already had such (a) thread(s), and besides, it reminded me too much of an advertisement. but don't let me stop you.


*Sniff* You crushed my faith, my motivation..to...to....*Sniff* make a difference...*Sniff* Why? *Sniff* Why?


Urgh, carm down.

Anyway, whats next!


I mean calm, right?

BTW it's a joke....


k

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I've kept some tabs on this thread as it's progressed. Most of them on Achronos's posts. I gotta say. Things are lookin up for the column. For the first time since I've joined, I'm really excited about near-future site updates. :D

  • 08.01.2006 1:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos

The problem is that we have not figured out exactly how to keep the 7th Column relevant. You see, originally, it was used as a way to help communities form, since we didn't have Xbox Live for Halo 1. However, for Halo 2 and now 3, that purpose isn't necessary. Furthermore, there are lots of places where you can create your own website and host your own forum, and they do it way better than us. So, the trick is to figure out out what we can offer that no one else can, and redesign the groups around that.


Someone asked "what's next" and for me the line I bolded screams "brainstorm this".

[Edited on 8/1/2006]

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Posted by: HipHopAnonymus
Posted by: Achronos

The problem is that we have not figured out exactly how to keep the 7th Column relevant. You see, originally, it was used as a way to help communities form, since we didn't have Xbox Live for Halo 1. However, for Halo 2 and now 3, that purpose isn't necessary. Furthermore, there are lots of places where you can create your own website and host your own forum, and they do it way better than us. So, the trick is to figure out out what we can offer that no one else can, and redesign the groups around that.


Someone asked "what's next" and for me personally, the line I bolded has been on my mind since I read it.


*hurst brain thinking too hard on the matter*

  • 08.01.2006 1:16 PM PDT
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I love threads like these. They're always so well thought out and so eye opening. But this one definitely got my attention long before it had a golden Septagon logo next to it.

Like Kilroy, for once, I'm actually excited about hearing about bungie.net updating soon and about the community actually wanting to better itself. It's true that this community isn't what it once was, but the fact that we actually want to change that is a great thing.

Things really are beginning to "look up" for the Column.

  • 08.01.2006 1:20 PM PDT
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Interesting topic GameJunkieJim. I agree with everything that you have said.

The groups started being about how many members you could get, rather than how decent the group managed it's niche. Way back whenever, the groups were good for something helpful, and one was so helpful, it got recast as a main forum section (The Septagon you're in now). Now the groups actually have become a problem, and a constant source of annoyance and spam for many.
Mjolnir Battle Tactics, for example, spammed the Wikipedia page for Bungie.net with group advertisements, Popular Fusion and they have this inane "Group War" going on, and people actually have "Do not send me group invites" in their signatures. This is retroactive for the column, and both of those groups are causing more harm than I care to see.


I agree that those groups of people do hurt the column, but how much could be done to prevent group wars and groups just trying to get as many members as possible? Taking the member count away? The collective attitude in regards to groups needs to change.

Seventh Column Council, great idea, horrible execution. Too many people wanted power over the site that they didn't need.

I agree. A while ago when I first heard of the Column Council I saw a bunch of people who wanted some sort of power. I thought about the Council and I wanted to be part of it, until I realized that I only wanted to be part of it because I wanted power. Now I just want to improve Bungie.net. That was a long time ago, and I hope that I;m no longer part of that sort of problem.

What do we need? Less concentration on silly things like Stat Tracking and whatnot. Yes, the Game Viewer is cool, but how does that help the Column? The most common useage I've seen for it is to brag about how good you are, or how bad someone else is. *yawn* I don't give a -blam!- how good you are. That's not why I'm here. We have MLG for hardcore stat mongers. Bungie.net is where I meet people for a friendly game. Where I discuss the finer points of the Easter Eggs, and theorize on the storylines of the games. It's where I come to check up on my friends, and see what's going on with Bungie.


There's not too much I can say here. I completely agree with it.

Now I sit in the Underground and lament that people have gotten so selfish. People who completely crap on others for no other reason than liking another Bungie game more than Halo, or going into the Halo 3 Forum and seeing 400 replies to a topic berating the post starter for an idea or theory. Guess what, all ideas are equally valid, yours or the next guy's.

I see the same thing every day here.


I long for the days where SketchFactor actually updates the 7thColumn page regularly. Or even the Council Idea would work if it could get people that weren't so worried about controlling aspects of the site.

This is likely to be inflammatory, and I want to apologize in advance:
Bungie, we have to know - do you give a crap anymore?
I've seen a site where the developers were frequent posters, especially Frankie back in the day, where the people had amazing groups that were amazing because they didn't try to be.


I've asked the same question myself. Will there be any more updates to the 7th Column page? I'm sure that there will be some kind of update before Halo 3, but what will happen after that? Will that be it until the next game? Will Bungie post and update the site regularly?

  • 08.01.2006 1:21 PM PDT
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13/02/2005 (I've been on since then.)
Group RPG's!

DO NOT DO IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT DOING IT!

At least the word soon hasn't been it yet...

  • 08.01.2006 1:24 PM PDT
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Read about the Forgotten Spartan I Program
Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

yeah, I agree with kilroy. (and we joined on the same date, look quick before it's gone)
I am finally looking up, not since well before the Halo 3 announcment was I excited. I just hope the update brings me some more love.

Posted by:Kilroy
I've kept some tabs on this thread as it's progressed. Most of them on Achronos's posts. I gotta say. Things are lookin up for the column. For the first time since I've joined, I'm really excited about near-future site updates. :D


[Edited on 8/1/2006]

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Posted by: Rainman89
yeah, I agree with kilroy. (and we joined on the same date, look quick before it's gone)
I am finally looking up, not since well before the Halo 3 announcment was I excited. I just hope the update brings me some more love.

Posted by:Kilroy
I've kept some tabs on this thread as it's progressed. Most of them on Achronos's posts. I gotta say. Things are lookin up for the column. For the first time since I've joined, I'm really excited about near-future site updates. :D


Hey! We did! It's almost our Birfday!

  • 08.01.2006 1:28 PM PDT

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I agree completely I used to spend hours on this site but I have grown bored I left battle tactics after the group war and the spamming of Wiki god I am sick of these flame wars

  • 08.01.2006 1:46 PM PDT