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13/02/2005 (I've been on since then.)
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DO NOT DO IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT DOING IT!

You know, there's something to this thread...

I've seen more different people post in this thread then anyother and some who don't even post here. This tells you something...

Bungie is one of the worlds strongest community...
...and we never knew it well...

  • 08.02.2006 10:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I have been thinking about the idea of making a Bungie.Net account more "valuable" and more "linked" to a particular person.

Though such a thing would mean that we have a caste-system (of sorts) for our members.

Standard Member : someone who created their account by typical and standard means. A typical MS Passport, not necessarily linked to any other information. This account level gets "guest" access and is restricted from interacting with some of the more enhanced/valuable parts of the site.

Premium Member : someone who has taken their Passport and taken additional steps to permanently link verifiable personal information to that identity. That account level would get additional value and (perhaps) access to more of the site.

Now, the problem is that I browsed the MS Passport site, and I could not find any information that indicated that a Passport could be made more closely linked to a person and more of a valid form of ID.

Linking to an Xbox.com gamercard could be considered such a step, but it would also start us on the path of the (haves and have nots) caste-system.

I truly believe that until people see their membership as something of value and something worth protecting/keeping, that our average demographic will keep this place less friendly than it has been in the past.

What I don't know is how we would make a membership something unique and not easily replaceable. I also don't know if this is a path that Bungie would be willing to travel in the name of enhancing interactions with the community.


I agree that if people see their membership is valuable they may behave better, but what personal information would you have to link? An xbox.com gamertag might work, but not everyone has xbox live. It would have to be something that most of the people could link to their passports, and would also have to be something that they couldn't duplicate to give themselves a second account if their first one got banned.

  • 08.02.2006 10:07 AM PDT
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13/02/2005 (I've been on since then.)
Group RPG's!

DO NOT DO IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT DOING IT!

What has happened in under 24 hours...

Whats happened...

1* Mr Overlord, Achronos, has told us of some new plans of site.

2* Many different members have posted and told things about there feelings.

3* A new group has been made to help the column.

4* Dates may be going. (At last, DIE YOU WORD NOOB!)

5* The commuity has a stronger unity.

6* More to follow.


As for everyone who has helped, talked and done something. (Everyone in the thread.)

Thank you.
I say welcome to the new era...
The new era of Bungie!!!

[Edited on 8/2/2006]

  • 08.02.2006 10:25 AM PDT
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How about under 24 hours......

  • 08.02.2006 10:36 AM PDT
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We have a better attitude that is for sure.

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The mods have better attitude, thats for sure...

  • 08.02.2006 10:46 AM PDT
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What has happened in under 24 hours...

Whats happened...

1* Mr Overlord, Achronos, has told us of some new plans of site.

2* Many different members have posted and told things about there feelings.

3* A new group has been made to help the column.

4* Dates may be going. (At last, DIE YOU WORD NOOB!)

5* The commuity has a stronger unity.

6* More to follow.


As for everyone who has helped, talked and done something. (Everyone in the thread.)

Thank you.
I say welcome to the new era...
The new era of Bungie!!!
7* Darth_Eletius has stated the obvious.

  • 08.02.2006 10:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I have been thinking about the idea of making a Bungie.Net account more "valuable" and more "linked" to a particular person.

Though such a thing would mean that we have a caste-system (of sorts) for our members.

Standard Member : someone who created their account by typical and standard means. A typical MS Passport, not necessarily linked to any other information. This account level gets "guest" access and is restricted from interacting with some of the more enhanced/valuable parts of the site.

Premium Member : someone who has taken their Passport and taken additional steps to permanently link verifiable personal information to that identity. That account level would get additional value and (perhaps) access to more of the site.

Now, the problem is that I browsed the MS Passport site, and I could not find any information that indicated that a Passport could be made more closely linked to a person and more of a valid form of ID.

Linking to an Xbox.com gamercard could be considered such a step, but it would also start us on the path of the (haves and have nots) caste-system.

I truly believe that until people see their membership as something of value and something worth protecting/keeping, that our average demographic will keep this place less friendly than it has been in the past.

What I don't know is how we would make a membership something unique and not easily replaceable. I also don't know if this is a path that Bungie would be willing to travel in the name of enhancing interactions with the community.


I agree that if people see their membership is valuable they may behave better, but what personal information would you have to link? An xbox.com gamertag might work, but not everyone has xbox live. It would have to be something that most of the people could link to their passports, and would also have to be something that they couldn't duplicate to give themselves a second account if their first one got banned.


Social Security number and credit card info are a must.

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Posted by: Darth_Eletius
What has happened in under 24 hours...

Whats happened...

1* Mr Overlord, Achronos, has told us of some new plans of site.

2* Many different members have posted and told things about there feelings.

3* A new group has been made to help the column.

4* Dates may be going. (At last, DIE YOU WORD NOOB!)

5* The commuity has a stronger unity.

6* More to follow.


As for everyone who has helped, talked and done something. (Everyone in the thread.)

Thank you.
I say welcome to the new era...
The new era of Bungie!!!
7* Darth_Eletius has stated the obvious.


So have you, EL.

[Edited on 8/2/2006]

  • 08.02.2006 11:20 AM PDT

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Now I bet If he wasn't a moderator he would be flamed out of his pants. I've been here for a short time also. Most of the population was nice and had some intellegent conversations. Now there is random flaming for the dumbest reasons and sometimes I contribute to that.

  • 08.02.2006 11:29 AM PDT

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Maybe because of the rush of people since Halo 2's release? People like me, probably so. It will be the sites downfall in the end, we need more human interaction that doesnt involve swearing. There are plenty of good threads out there that contribute to ideas that I would in turn like to see happen, but there are a lot of bad ones out there even more so and those are the people that get flamed. Its just how it is really, maybe because we ourselves are creating a group of people to be held in higher regard then some person who just joined after the Halo 3 trailer was shown, just as was for many other members after the Halo 2 trailer was shown. Most of us are not willing to allow so many new comers in such a short period of time to begin to wash away what this site really is for.It really isn't because this person has nothing to say, but because the have nothing good to say about anything.(If you go into the Halo 3 forum you will see a perfect example) .It seems however that it is just not their fault but our own as well. There are a lot of us that need to stop acting like asses and help turn this site around.


I really do wonder however GJJ if they do care about updating anything else besides the main News posts each week, I have not seen very many things besides that changed in all my time being here. The guides to multiplayer maps is an example of this, they have not been worked on since Halo 2 came out. There are a lot of loose ends on this site and I too would like to see them fixed.

  • 08.02.2006 12:35 PM PDT

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Now I bet If he wasn't a moderator he would be flamed out of his pants. I've been here for a short time also. Most of the population was nice and had some intellegent conversations. Now there is random flaming for the dumbest reasons and sometimes I contribute to that.


That may entirely be true.One of the wierdest things about being a moderator are the random people who, forgive me for being so blunt, apparently exist for no other reason than to blow sunshine up my ass.

Really, I don't want you to do that, if you think I've said something stupid, go ahead and say so. I do hope everyone in here was sincere about wanting to help.

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Achrono is excited. Hes acting like a 10 year old getting 50 dollors lol. But the premium member thing I dislike. I think less would come to a site where certain people are limited to go to certain parts just because of some odd reasons.

  • 08.02.2006 12:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: big team basher
Now I bet If he wasn't a moderator he would be flamed out of his pants. I've been here for a short time also. Most of the population was nice and had some intellegent conversations. Now there is random flaming for the dumbest reasons and sometimes I contribute to that.


That may entirely be true.One of the wierdest things about being a moderator are the random people who, forgive me for being so blunt, apparently exist for no other reason than to blow sunshine up my ass.

Really, I don't want you to do that, if you think I've said something stupid, go ahead and say so. I do hope everyone in here was sincere about wanting to help.


but see, I don't really like that atitude either. Too many of you guys don't seem to realise how much you have given to the community, and how this thread would be so much more necesarry without you. Sure, the suck-ups, well, suck. But you guys need to learn to take credit where credit is due. Just like the writer of a popular Fanfic, or the creator of a Group database, you have done something to deserve respect. So at least respect that. If you want to tell a suckup to get lost do it, but the reason people like you is the same reason you became mods, you are cool, level-headed, yet outgoing people. YOu can say "but anyone can be a mod" but yet, "anyone" can write a story, or make a movie, or create a database, but you are the ones actually doing it.

So, if you think this is sucking-up, then I am wrong, and you aren't the respectable, intelligent people I thought you were.

  • 08.02.2006 12:44 PM PDT
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I've been around these parts for almost eight years now...wow! Maybe I should be concerned about that...

Alright, I'll toss in my two cents now...

These forums have changed in the past few years. There's no denying that; change happens. There was the release of Halo 2, a few good forum RPG's, the replacment of Zanzibar with the Halo 3 Forum. And each year, whether it be '04 or '06, people from the previous year have complained about "how the site has declined so much". Yet I don't think this site is declining at all. There were always spammers, there were always stupid threads in the flood, there were always the flames and the group wars. The only thing that changes is the people perpetuating these things. The only reason '04's and '05's are generally (and falsly) regarded as "more intelligent" is because that, as time passes, the less intelligent members are deleted, leaving only the smart ones. And in to many cases this gets to the older members' heads and they begin to think that their "generation" (ahahaha..hah) was the best, their "generation" was the smartest, most powerful and constructive "generation" ever. Newsflash; it wasn't. There were still as many spammers in 2004 as there are in 2006. There were just as many flame wars in 2004 as in 2006, and there were just as many idiots.

Alright, maybe that isn't completly true. I'll admit that there is a little bit more redundance in posts now than there was last year, but it isn't because the people joining are getting dumber, it's just that there are more of them who are flooding in to see the Halo 3 Forum. Just wait...in a year, the '06's will be parading around and saying "Oh, you poor 07's...you never saw Bungie.net in its prime!". But guess what, so-called-smart-ass-a-lot? Bungie never had a "prime". Perhaps there was some more quality in 2000, but that was because there were less members to clutter the forums! Ahem...in conclusion, things are just the way they always were, or at least have been for years. People just like to think that they're getting worse. And that concludes my rant....and no Darkness Howls rant would be complete without a ZOMGWTFBBQ! So...ZOMGWTFBBQ HAX!

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  • 08.02.2006 1:21 PM PDT
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GJJ, to quote Frankie:"Don't you know you are my herow"

Wow, holy crap, you've got me actually excited about Bungie.net again.

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  • 08.02.2006 1:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I have been thinking about the idea of making a Bungie.Net account more "valuable" and more "linked" to a particular person.

Though such a thing would mean that we have a caste-system (of sorts) for our members.

Standard Member : someone who created their account by typical and standard means. A typical MS Passport, not necessarily linked to any other information. This account level gets "guest" access and is restricted from interacting with some of the more enhanced/valuable parts of the site.

Premium Member : someone who has taken their Passport and taken additional steps to permanently link verifiable personal information to that identity. That account level would get additional value and (perhaps) access to more of the site.

Now, the problem is that I browsed the MS Passport site, and I could not find any information that indicated that a Passport could be made more closely linked to a person and more of a valid form of ID.

Linking to an Xbox.com gamercard could be considered such a step, but it would also start us on the path of the (haves and have nots) caste-system.

I truly believe that until people see their membership as something of value and something worth protecting/keeping, that our average demographic will keep this place less friendly than it has been in the past.

What I don't know is how we would make a membership something unique and not easily replaceable. I also don't know if this is a path that Bungie would be willing to travel in the name of enhancing interactions with the community.


While I do like the idea, I must agree that it would be hard to implement. There is the option of a karma system similar to that on the Roosterteeth Network, but then you run into the question of how to handle the progression from rank to rank. Were Bungie to use the mod point system as Roosterteeth does, it would not stop the people who fail to utilize proper "netiquette". There would be mod trading and spamming to raise karma levels, and while it might slow down the madness, it would not put an end to it. I do have one thought for consideration, there are a few different member roles here (Webmaster, Master Forum Ninja, Forum Ninja, Community, etc.) Now, were Bungie to implement a karma system, I would suggest that not everyone be given the ability to hand out mod points. I would say that the only people with the ability to give out mod points should be moderators, anyone else with a management postion, and possibly 5 - 10 other members. Allow me to explain those additional members. I'm not quite sure how or if it could be done, but it could be beneficial to have 5 - 10 additional members with the ability to give out mod points. The moderators do an excellent job of covering the different forums ( no, I'm not trying to blow sunshine up your ass Jim, I mean it, you guys are usually on top of things and whenever I have sent a moderator a message about a thread I will see a response and/or a locked thread within minutes), but there are still little remarks that you guys may miss here and there. Plus, there are many different groups in which discussions occur that a moderator may never see. It could be usefull to have 5 - 10 covert members (meaning there is nothing about their profile to suggest that they have the power increase someone's karma level) patrolling the forums and groups.

With the karma system, good behavior and thought provoking discussion would be rewarded with an increased karma level. Improper behavior would result in the removal of karma. In my opinion, the only ones with the power to subtract karma should be moderators or other people in management positions. If 5 - 10 members were given the power to add karma, even if they were trustworthy, I don't think they should be given the power to subtract karma, just in case one of them should quarrel with another member and decide to abuse their power.

With the karma system, the number of posts a new member would be allowed to make could be limited to...say...5 per day for new members...then 10...15...and so on and so forth. That would curb any potential spammers and help govern new members who are simply a bit overzealous.

That's just an idea that popped into my head after reading your post Recon. Although, in terms of making a profile more personal? I don't know how to do that either. Personally? I use the name CabooseMoose7103 across the different forums that I visit, it influenced my gamertag when I made it, and I even have the nickname "Moosey" among my friends. I don't know how much more personal you can get, but not everyone is as crazy as I am : )

[Edited on 8/2/2006]

  • 08.02.2006 1:58 PM PDT
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Darkness Howls, I think you are partly right. After a while of being here, the magic wears off. You [I'm using "you" as a generalization now] start to think that there are more redundant posts now than ever before. When really, you probably just didn't realize that the threads you saw when you first got here were, in fact, redundant. And you start to notice stuff that you hadn't before.

But that is only part of it, in my opinion. The fact is that there are more members now than before. And more members means more unruliness, and less personal interaction. But I don't think it has to be that way. All we want is a community. In many people's opinions, this place is not as good as it could be. Or maybe even should be. I don't see any reason why we can't try to make it better, even if we can't get "the good ol' days" back.

EDIT: I think that having an identity that is more linked to a real person would be a good idea. That information should be kept private, in my opinion (and most people's, apparently), but I think it is a good idea. But I guess there is no way to do this, at least yet.

Maybe we could get this idea to someone who could do something about it. I don't know how much Achronos actually has to do with the Passport system (probably not much), but if they have to work in conjunction, maybe he could suggest something to them. (Of course, it wouldn't have to be Achronos. I only use him because he's the only person I can actually name.)

Who know's? Maybe Passport is already working on a system like this.

[Edited on 8/2/2006]

  • 08.02.2006 1:58 PM PDT

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There was a difference, a tangible one. The Groups were more in tune with each other, the 7th Column was frequently an updated page, what we need is someone who will help out with the Column aspect, I believe it will spill out into the forums.

New activities are a must, I made a Crossword puzzle a few months ago for people to try out their Bungie Smarts with, JAF, is doing... something.... that I am not currently at liberty to discuss, and impurity has made a few knee-slapper videos for us to watch. More of you can do these kinds of things, it's encouraged, and will help bring back the community feel.

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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
There was a difference, a tangible one. The Groups were more in tune with each other, the 7th Column was frequently an updated page, what we need is someone who will help out with the Column aspect, I believe it will spill out into the forums.

New activities are a must, I made a Crossword puzzle a few months ago for people to try out their Bungie Smarts with, JAF, is doing... something.... that I am not currently at liberty to discuss, and impurity has made a few knee-slapper videos for us to watch. More of you can do these kinds of things, it's encouraged, and will help bring back the community feel.


What type of videos? And where should we post them if we have a few?

EDIT: I meant, should they be machinima videos, funny montages (NOT MLG style ones, I'm talking about ones with fun randomness that isn't completely Killtaculars or something), live action, or flipbook/animations?

[Edited on 8/2/2006]

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Personally I say go with funny/random.

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Posted by: CabooseMoose7103

What type of videos? And where should we post them if we have a few?

EDIT: I meant, should they be machinima videos, funny montages (NOT MLG style ones, I'm talking about ones with fun randomness that isn't completely Killtaculars or something), live action, or flipbook/animations?


I think anything that would be entertaining would be good. It doesn't really matter what you do, in my opinion. Doing anything would be better than doing nothing.

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Jim, I have to say...your post was right....every bit of it....

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Posted by: CabooseMoose7103

What type of videos? And where should we post them if we have a few?

EDIT: I meant, should they be machinima videos, funny montages (NOT MLG style ones, I'm talking about ones with fun randomness that isn't completely Killtaculars or something), live action, or flipbook/animations?


I think anything that would be entertaining would be good. It doesn't really matter what you do, in my opinion. Doing anything would be better than doing nothing.


Okay then, do those belong in the Flood, or should they go someplace else? If it's a video involving members from Bungie, say doing a machinima, would that go in the Septagon since it's the Community forum, or would it still go in the Flood?

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Funny Random is good, and you can do others as well.


These are impurity's videos:

7th Column Hell
7th Column Hell 2
7th Column Hell 3

My Crossword is <HERE> for anyone who wants to try it out, many of the harder answers can be found in the thread, PM me if you complete it with the answers and I'll post your name in the thread.

VII Toast has a webpage with many older Bungie games all centralized for your downloading and playing pleasure, The Ventcore @ 7th War.net

JAF has a new Fan Art Thread in the Underground, go there and share your creations: <Clicky!>

For any of you who are having issues with the nasty stuff that some undesireables sneak in here, read through FightingRaven's Guide to a Safe B.net User Experience It's full of many useful tips and tidbits.

Don't forget, Bungie.net itself is a place for activity, the site is riddled with Easter Eggs, try to find them all! Having trouble? Try AlexZander's Guide!

These are only a few examples of things you can do to promote the Column's presence. Find a niche to fill and fill it! Make any kind of activity you wish, (Rated PG-13 or lower please ;-) )

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Posted by: CabooseMoose7103

What type of videos? And where should we post them if we have a few?

EDIT: I meant, should they be machinima videos, funny montages (NOT MLG style ones, I'm talking about ones with fun randomness that isn't completely Killtaculars or something), live action, or flipbook/animations?


I think anything that would be entertaining would be good. It doesn't really matter what you do, in my opinion. Doing anything would be better than doing nothing.


Okay then, do those belong in the Flood, or should they go someplace else? If it's a video involving members from Bungie, say doing a machinima, would that go in the Septagon since it's the Community forum, or would it still go in the Flood?


Depends on what you use really, machinima/music videos/montages go in whichever forum has the most bearing. If you used halo CE to make it, try posting it in the Maw or the Library, Halo 2 goes in New Mombasa, Myth, Oni or Marathon? The Underground. Some kind of multi-origin video? Also Underground. Guide type videos? If related to the Column or B.net specifically, use the Septagon, if related to general life, use the Flood.


Likewise with 'paper' activities, like word jumbles or "Find 6 Differences" panels, and comics, use the forum that most qualifies for the subject of the comic (Likely the Flood for most).

  • 08.02.2006 2:36 PM PDT