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I agree with that, but sadly, most of the community doesn't come here, even less, read this, so basicly they don't care if this place is going down, a clean out would be good, where someone would go through everything someone has posted, but then again, going through billions of posts isn't that fun

  • 08.02.2006 3:14 PM PDT
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Darkness the truth is that sadly,this place has lost some of it's spunk.Let me ask you something Jim,do you remember the Flood before the no blogg-type rule was made and before you were a mod.This place was fun and had a more friendly feel to it.Now it's just more of a place than anything else.It's also true that things have changed such as members and what not but I think that's mainly from the change in style that this place has undergone.I have much more to say but well that doesn't really matter.

  • 08.02.2006 3:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nedus
I never said I could blame them for not posting. I understand that they're busy, but they have breaks every so often I'm sure. You're right baout the people flooding them with ideas for Halo 3, but KP posts doesn't he? Sure, he's just a cabin boy, but he works at Bungie, which means that people could just as easily swamp him with ideas as they can Evil Otto or anyone else. And I don't think KP gets too many of those. I'm sure it happens, but probably not much.

This thread right here would be perfect for the employees to interact with their fans. A calm discussion, nothing about Halo 1 pistols or Hang em High or anything like that. I wouldn't expect them to go into New Mombasa and start posting. I would imagine they'd stick to the Septagon.


You can't compare the Bungie Cabin (sandwich) Boy, to an actual Bungie Employee ( =P ). KP has nothing to do with the development of Halo 3, and for the most part that is understood, but I would still wager that he gets random PM's about Halo 3, as does Frankie and probably even Shishka and Achronos.

Besides, just because they stick to a certain forum doesn't mean that people are automatically going to not talk about Halo 3 with them. That's like saying, crimes aren't committed in the US because the US has laws....

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Posted by: Nedus
I never said I could blame them for not posting. I understand that they're busy, but they have breaks every so often I'm sure. You're right baout the people flooding them with ideas for Halo 3, but KP posts doesn't he? Sure, he's just a cabin boy, but he works at Bungie, which means that people could just as easily swamp him with ideas as they can Evil Otto or anyone else. And I don't think KP gets too many of those. I'm sure it happens, but probably not much.

This thread right here would be perfect for the employees to interact with their fans. A calm discussion, nothing about Halo 1 pistols or Hang em High or anything like that. I wouldn't expect them to go into New Mombasa and start posting. I would imagine they'd stick to the Septagon.


You can't compare the Bungie Cabin (sandwich) Boy, to an actual Bungie Employee ( =P ). KP has nothing to do with the development of Halo 3, and for the most part that is understood, but I would still wager that he gets random PM's about Halo 3, as does Frankie and probably even Shishka and Achronos.
KP, is an actual Bungie Employee. So I don't get what you're saying here. I imagine another KP type person might not be a bad idea in fact, or even KP on a more permanent basis if he wishes it, to do some work on the 7th Column as well as posting news on Bungie.net and fetching Chinese food.

Besides, just because they stick to a certain forum doesn't mean that people are automatically going to not talk about Halo 3 with them. That's like saying, crimes aren't committed in the US because the US has laws.... If the post is off topic, it gets edited, or deleted.

  • 08.02.2006 4:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
Posted by: High Truth
Posted by: Nedus
I never said I could blame them for not posting. I understand that they're busy, but they have breaks every so often I'm sure. You're right baout the people flooding them with ideas for Halo 3, but KP posts doesn't he? Sure, he's just a cabin boy, but he works at Bungie, which means that people could just as easily swamp him with ideas as they can Evil Otto or anyone else. And I don't think KP gets too many of those. I'm sure it happens, but probably not much.

This thread right here would be perfect for the employees to interact with their fans. A calm discussion, nothing about Halo 1 pistols or Hang em High or anything like that. I wouldn't expect them to go into New Mombasa and start posting. I would imagine they'd stick to the Septagon.


You can't compare the Bungie Cabin (sandwich) Boy, to an actual Bungie Employee ( =P ). KP has nothing to do with the development of Halo 3, and for the most part that is understood, but I would still wager that he gets random PM's about Halo 3, as does Frankie and probably even Shishka and Achronos.
KP, is an actual Bungie Employee. So I don't get what you're saying here. I imagine another KP type person might not be a bad idea in fact, or even KP on a more permanent basis if he wishes it, to do some work on the 7th Column as well as posting news on Bungie.net and fetching Chinese food.

Besides, just because they stick to a certain forum doesn't mean that people are automatically going to not talk about Halo 3 with them. That's like saying, crimes aren't committed in the US because the US has laws.... If the post is off topic, it gets edited, or deleted.


GGJ, I was poking fun at KP, thus the face in parentheses. As for your latter statement, I can't speak for the mods, but having to patrol two "Halo 3 Forums" (in the result they only post in the Septagon) is more than enough work...I would assume.

  • 08.02.2006 5:18 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

It's not like they would be posting so regularly that people would flock there en masse. Just a couple posts here and there every so often.

I remember a while back I used to set up my Halo action figures in strange and funny poses, and post pictures of them for the community. They were very well received, but I stopped after a while because of school and other responsibilities, and I rarely had time for the forums. Recently, I considered doing it again, but now, I don't even see the point, as they would just get lost in the flood of crap(no pun intended) in the Flood. It sucks because I can think of a few things I can do, but if it's just going to be wasted effort, I'm not going to even bother.

[Edited on 8/2/2006]

  • 08.02.2006 5:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nedus
I considered doing it again, but now, I don't even see the point, as they would just get lost in the flood of crap(no pun intended) in the Flood. It sucks because I can think of a few things I can do, but if it's just going to be wasted effort, I'm not going to even bother.

I suggest you do it anyway. I know that it may seem fruitless, but as Jim pointed out, we need more of these efforts. Even the little bits will help.

Anyway, the one thing that I am doing and Jim can't talk about, is coming along nicely. I did quite a few things on it today. And it's really beginning to look good. I can't wait to show you all the end result. I hope it eventually becomes a success, because it is also a good way to make sure that all those efforts don't get lost so easily.
You'll see.

I feel like Frankie all of a sudden.

  • 08.02.2006 5:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nedus
I considered doing it again, but now, I don't even see the point, as they would just get lost in the flood of crap(no pun intended) in the Flood. It sucks because I can think of a few things I can do, but if it's just going to be wasted effort, I'm not going to even bother.

I suggest you do it anyway. I know that it may seem fruitless, but as Jim pointed out, we need more of these efforts. Even the little bits will help.

I fully agree, anything you can do to help would be greatly appreciated. Even if it is going to get lost in the flood and never seen again. It will change other users for the better.

Anyway, the one thing that I am doing and Jim can't talk about, is coming along nicely. I did quite a few things on it today. And it's really beginning to look good. I can't wait to show you all the end result. I hope it eventually becomes a success, because it is also a good way to make sure that all those efforts don't get lost so easily.
You'll see.

I feel like Frankie all of a sudden.

You feel like Frankie and I feel like a giddy little school girl after reading that.

  • 08.02.2006 5:39 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: Nedus
I considered doing it again, but now, I don't even see the point, as they would just get lost in the flood of crap(no pun intended) in the Flood. It sucks because I can think of a few things I can do, but if it's just going to be wasted effort, I'm not going to even bother.

I suggest you do it anyway. I know that it may seem fruitless, but as Jim pointed out, we need more of these efforts. Even the little bits will help.

Anyway, the one thing that I am doing and Jim can't talk about, is coming along nicely. I did quite a few things on it today. And it's really beginning to look good. I can't wait to show you all the end result. I hope it eventually becomes a success, because it is also a good way to make sure that all those efforts don't get lost so easily.
You'll see.

I feel like Frankie all of a sudden.


Well, there's some new action figures out, and some of them have things like flags and bombs and other things I can use in my shennanigans.

You nailed it on the head though, jaf. It really seems like wasted effort. When I have the time and money(sometime soon, I promise), I'll get on it.

For now, here's a classic dual wielding Master Chief. Enjoy.

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  • 08.02.2006 5:54 PM PDT

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Wow, I followed my own advice and read the whole thread before posting. (Hey, where's my Scoobie Snack?)

I'm glad to see so many folks contributing here, because I think that one of the problems here in the b.net community is that so few members seem to contribute and so many seem to wait until someone else does something. (And then either glom onto it or tear it down, depending upon personality.)

"But Steve, " I know some folks will be thinking, "there are plenty of people posting.." To which I reply, "Posting, yes. But contributing? There's a difference."

And the difference is this; people contributing to the community leave folks feeling more involved, or more interested, or happier or more informed. It's not just banging on keys and hitting "submit", it's not about attention or a quick rush from "pwning" someone, it's using those keys to make others feel better.

Now, out of the several million posts out there, how many fit that definition? Yeah, and I wish that number was higher too. (Note that I'm still including the posts where people are working out guesses and theories on the latest trailer... the constructive ones, at least, and not the attention-seeking or selfish ones. Without those, the number would be drastically smaller.)

This dilution is in part due to the massive influx of members that started with the pre-release of Halo 2, but we can't chalk it all up to that... despite what some of the elitists would hold, we've gained as many good members (perhaps more) as we've lost since then. However, the sheer size of the community does make it harder for those who do contribute to stand out. It's a scale thing, really; what works for a 50,000 member community doesn't work as well for a community twenty times that size. It's vastly harder to get meaningful community interaction now in part because the community is so big.

The community is so big, in fact, that we can't reasonably count on Bungie to hand down the seeds of our every contribution; I don't care how many staff and moderators you put on here, serving a million-plus people isn't going to work with a top-down community model. At this scale we MUST encourage all those who want to contribute to do so, so that we can recapture some of what arose spontaneously with the smaller community.

In one way I'm really looking forward to some sort of reward system akin to karma that would encourage people to contribute instead of just post... but in another way I'm kinda sad that it seems to take a "carrot and stick" approach to move this community in the direction it really (by and large) wants to go. *mourns for lost altruism... if it was there in the first place, that is*

-- Steve'd like to thank all those who've contributed to the Bungie.net community by their active participation, even if it was just to email or PM a mod with a question or a warning about problems in the forums. It's you guys who really make the community work. (Now, let's find and encourage more folks like you, shall we?)

PS: here's one way of thinking about bungie.net and the ways we can contribute. The point of groups is to have a little chunk of bungie.net that you can shape to your desires for the enjoyment oor utility of your friends; the point of the main forums is to have pre-defined place to socialise with other like-minded members about common themes. (For XBLers, think "custom games" and "MatchMaking playlists".) Does that help in any way?

  • 08.02.2006 6:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nedus
I considered doing it again, but now, I don't even see the point, as they would just get lost in the flood of crap(no pun intended) in the Flood. It sucks because I can think of a few things I can do, but if it's just going to be wasted effort, I'm not going to even bother.

I suggest you do it anyway. I know that it may seem fruitless, but as Jim pointed out, we need more of these efforts. Even the little bits will help.

Anyway, the one thing that I am doing and Jim can't talk about, is coming along nicely. I did quite a few things on it today. And it's really beginning to look good. I can't wait to show you all the end result. I hope it eventually becomes a success, because it is also a good way to make sure that all those efforts don't get lost so easily.
You'll see.

I feel like Frankie all of a sudden.


I can't wait to see it then. I have a few videos uploaded to Google, I've just never bothered to post a link before since it would get pushed off the front page in about 30 seconds flat. They're fun videos that I have done, hilarious conversations I've recorded over LIVE, and a funny improvised machinima (soon with bloopers as well). All of them feature mostly users from Bungie (there are a few clips with random people on LIVE).

  • 08.02.2006 6:31 PM PDT
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right now i think a fanfic / fan art / machinima ect forum would be great, a place for us to come together and make crap.

  • 08.02.2006 7:18 PM PDT
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right now i think a fanfic / fan art / machinima ect forum would be great, a place for us to come together and make crap.


Total agreement on that one. It might make me pull my finger out and try writing again :). Haven't written anything in an age or 4.

  • 08.02.2006 7:23 PM PDT

Skillet was here and referred to himself in the third person.

The Column needs more members willing to help and less members who want to tear the whole thing apart for absolutely no reason.

If every member worried more about the other members and getting them started rather than posting mom burns and "PWNED!" everywhere the overall community would be much better. If somebody needs help...help them and don't flame them for it.

  • 08.02.2006 7:50 PM PDT
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I've been around these parts for almost eight years now...wow! Maybe I should be concerned about that...

Posted by: Skillet98
The Column needs more members willing to help and less members who want to tear the whole thing apart for absolutely no reason.

If every member worried more about the other members and getting them started rather than posting mom burns and "PWNED!" everywhere the overall community would be much better. If somebody needs help...help them and don't flame them for it.
Agreed...I even have a few animations about such subjects in another thread...*cough*

Anyways, what are some things we, as normal members, could do to make the Column and Bungie itself a better place? A Bungie.net fanfic contest or something?

  • 08.02.2006 7:52 PM PDT
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Total agreement on that one. It might make me pull my finger out and try writing again :). Haven't written anything in an age or 4.

Please wash it first.
I was thinking the exact same thing, LOL...

  • 08.02.2006 8:14 PM PDT
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Total agreement on that one. It might make me pull my finger out and try writing again :). Haven't written anything in an age or 4.

Please wash it first.


But what would i write with?!

  • 08.02.2006 8:27 PM PDT
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If there's anything that I can do to help,probably not,but if there is give me a heads up.If there's anything I can do to help this place at all just give the word.

  • 08.02.2006 8:28 PM PDT
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It might seem crazy but perhaps a B.net congress is in needed.Maybe on XBL or something sensible like a chat room or IRC.It's definitely faster and more involved than a forum.

  • 08.02.2006 9:18 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

It might be asking for a lot, but I strongly urge anyone who's actually interested in this thread to read through all 15 pages. There have been some interesting counterpoints and supporting factors made that should be taken into consideration before completing your opinions.

  • 08.02.2006 9:37 PM PDT

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Ever since Halo 2 came, ever since games with more than 4 players did not exist on a LAN, ever since every spoiled brat in the country got Xbox live, the community has had to suffer. But GJJ I ask you: what can Bungie do?

They can't tell these people they're not wanted, and when we tell them they are not wanted we become as bad as they are.

I think Frankie or preferably Achronos should address this very, very, soon.

suggestions:
* three strikes you're out. (Three accounts on B.net banned and an instant IP ban is applied.
* IP bans being used more regulary. Remember, you have no rights on or to be on this site so play nice.
* Forum posting should be given only to those that prove themself.

And the one I like best because it sends the message across but it's not too extreme.
* Blacklists last longer and longer which each offense. First offense: 1 week. Second: 2 weeks Third: 1 month. That will get people to shape up in a hurry.



And unfortunate as it is. None of this happenned until ranks came. You want the old community back, get rid of the ranks.

  • 08.02.2006 9:52 PM PDT