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Subject: The State of Bungie.net
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Your absoultley correct. *saltutes*

  • 08.03.2006 6:52 PM PDT
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You know, when I joined back a little after Halo 2 came out, I liked this place, a lot. I would go on all the forums everyday and have fun making friends and stuff like that. I would love to read the gallery comments and everything. But when was the last time that was updated??? Same thing with the Voting booth. The flood is one big hunk of spam now. Many of the other forums are just useless now.



What I am trying to say is that I miss the old forums as well. The old groups were a blast too. Now it's all, "OMQ Lets get more members then Popular Fusion or MBT" Or in those groups who have many members, 3 out of every 10 topics are about getting those members and the rest is spam.

You see, it isn't about having 2000 members because, most likely, 1500 of the members have never posted on those forums. What Bungie.net really needs is it's magic back.

No I am not being stupid and making a joke, I mean magic . I mean those actice fun loving members who don't flame and don't spam. Those people who spend time on their ideas. Hours, days, maybe even weeks on thinking, exploring, and typing about how they figured out something. But what really sickens me is when people come along and flame those great and amazing ideas until their hands hurt. That makes me more mad than anything.

People need to learn respect again on this site. Just because you sitting at a computer somewhere and someone eles is miles away doesn't give you the right to make fun of them. Treat this place as it was real life. And I won't forget about the spammers who really (I am sorry to say this but) do not have a life if they spend the time to do what they do to some of the groups. What is the point? Anyone? What is the point to flame? To make yourself feel better? If that is the case I think you may need to find some help because your self-esteem seems pretty low. And the spammers, please find something better to do with your life. Everyone has potential for something

I apologize for getting slightly off-topic here, but if anyone has seen an episode of futurama where the crew goes onto the internet and they are actually in the internet? Pretend it is that.

Now back on-topic.

I agree with everyone when they say this site needs an update. I do realize that they are currently making one of the biggest and possibly the greatest game ever, but they need to pay attention to their fans (I underlined for importance). They are losing us, fast.

Something I do see the makes me happy about all this is the fact that everyone is like "I hate those mods I wish i could kill (yes I've heard this) them" And now it seems that everyone is teaming up in an effort to save Bungie.net. Every person that has posted here, I thank you. All the mods that posted here I thank you too, because without you guys (Especially Game Junky Jim) there may have never been a topic like this.

I know I may not be the most important person here, nor the oldest, nor the wisest, but I thought that my viewpoint could help everyone out.


I thank everyone who may have spent their time reading this, and I would love to see things done with the website.

Thank you again,
- APurpleChicken (a.k.a. Kasai Kaji [a.k.a. Bosspilks])

  • 08.03.2006 8:21 PM PDT

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I am not an english speaker, so dont mind about my poor english skills. :)

I am 100% agreed with Chicken. We are playing together since a long time and we are both member of Clan contubernium.

From time to time this site had became useless and people start to flame. Why? because most everything had been said over time and we dont have much to say now.

The most active forum is the H3 and optimatch, why? because there is a lot to say.

This game is old and this community need some new stuff to deal with.

The most active and interesting part of this site are the chapter because they have special purpose. For instance, my chapter (contubernium) is dedicated to my clan. People dont flame, they discuss about the clan, the next match, how to improve the strategies books and more.

One other hand, I will give you 1 more exemple about how this site could be improve. Get back Clan match or do someting to emphazis the clan system. this will help people to be there for someting, not only for "politic" or "flamming"

the Halo serie is the best games ever and I can't wait until they release H3, but right now there is not so much to do...

  • 08.03.2006 9:11 PM PDT

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Podumas has a point.. but here's what is bugging me right now:

Have you noticed a ton of members (new and old) who have all of the sudden "cleaned up their act," ever since this thread made such a big impact? I see more ass-kissers, copy-cat threads of this, and wannabe mods (sounds harsh, I know, but it has to be said) than ever, and they just keep bringing up "ahh good old days glory days!" STOP! Yes they were fine and dandy, but you can't bring back a dead dog. Do what you can to help out - everybody appreciates it. But don't act like you are the only right one.

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Posted by: SgtSTFU
Podumas has a point.. but here's what is bugging me right now:

Have you noticed a ton of members (new and old) who have all of the sudden "cleaned up their act," ever since this thread made such a big impact? I see more ass-kissers and wannabe mods (sounds harsh, I know, but it has to be said) than ever, and they just keep bringing up "ahh good old days glory days!" STOP! Yes they were fine and dandy, but you can't bring back a dead dog. Do what you can to help out - everybody appreciates it. But don't act like you are the only right one.


Well not entirely but you can bring back some aspects which made it memorable. I am not saying to fully make it what it once was, but to just have a little bit of the Pre-Halo 2 era. :)

  • 08.03.2006 9:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: SgtSTFU
Have you noticed a ton of members (new and old) who have all of the sudden "cleaned up their act," ever since this thread made such a big impact?


Actually, I haven't seen many people making noticeable changes in their posting habits, except for the increased wish to help, which has led into the many community improvement threads. I would say that Jim has opened a proverbial window (as a few probably have in the past as well) that the members are using as inspiration to help more than usual.

However, according to what I have seen quite a few members say, the members of the Septagon (the majority of the people who are reading this thread) were already doing their part to help. Perhaps I am grossly misinterpreting what is being said, but from what I have heard, the majority of the problem is that there aren't as many members asking for help about being a helpful, contributing member of the community as there used to be. Perhaps someone could clear this up for me...

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Posted by: SgtSTFU
Have you noticed a ton of members (new and old) who have all of the sudden "cleaned up their act," ever since this thread made such a big impact? I see more ass-kissers, copy-cat threads of this, and wannabe mods (sounds harsh, I know, but it has to be said) than ever, and they just keep bringing up "ahh good old days glory days!"


You know why? Because a moderator was involved.

  • 08.03.2006 11:59 PM PDT
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This is probably the most worthwhile post I have ever read.

I applaud you GJJ, for saying exactly what I have been thinking for a while, plus more.

  • 08.04.2006 12:35 AM PDT

You will never get your community back. Since Halo 2, the whole thing is too big. This is the shape of things to come. You can make islands of sanity in your own groups, but commercial success brings the baying masses and it's that demographic and their behaviour which will dominate this site and this community from now on.

  • 08.04.2006 3:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: RhythmKiller
You will never get your community back. Since Halo 2, the whole thing is too big. This is the shape of things to come. You can make islands of sanity in your own groups, but commercial success brings the baying masses and it's that demographic and their behaviour which will dominate this site and this community from now on.

We shouldn't try to get the old community back, we should try to make the new one better.

[Edited on 8/4/2006]

  • 08.04.2006 3:22 AM PDT

Posted by: SgtSTFU
Podumas has a point.. but here's what is bugging me right now:

Have you noticed a ton of members (new and old) who have all of the sudden "cleaned up their act," ever since this thread made such a big impact? I see more ass-kissers, copy-cat threads of this, and wannabe mods (sounds harsh, I know, but it has to be said) than ever, and they just keep bringing up "ahh good old days glory days!"


Not a ton, I've noticed a few though. Most noticable are the "older" members of the Flood; trying to get rid of some of those old, repetitive threads and try and start up some better, generally more decent discussion. There are some wannabe mods, but think about it, have there ever been no wannabe mods?

Don't mistake those trying to help out fellow members by reminding them of the rules and how things run with those who are trying to play Forum-cop/wannabe mod. I know the line between them are sort of fuzzy, but still, there is a line.

  • 08.04.2006 3:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: Softstuf
Podumas has a point.. but here's what is bugging me right now:

Have you noticed a ton of members (new and old) who have all of the sudden "cleaned up their act," ever since this thread made such a big impact? I see more ass-kissers, copy-cat threads of this, and wannabe mods (sounds harsh, I know, but it has to be said) than ever, and they just keep bringing up "ahh good old days glory days!" STOP! Yes they were fine and dandy, but you can't bring back a dead dog. Do what you can to help out - everybody appreciates it. But don't act like you are the only right one.


I agree here, people who joined in 06 are talking about the glory days.

Even I wasn't here for the glory days I am sick of everybody who tries to act like the column is dead, because it isn't, you can't kill something like that, they just left it to die, and a new breed of members showed up, maybe if we tried talking with said new members, we could teach them how to be contributing members of this society.

  • 08.04.2006 5:13 AM PDT

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May I humbly request that we discard all mention of Bungie.net's "glory days"? 'Cause, to the best of my knowlege, 'twern't none. At any point in its history b.net's had its problems... however, thanks to the nostalgia filter wired into our brains, it's easy to forget those when comparing the past with today. (This is the same phenomenon that gets people to say that movies/music/games/architecture/whatever just isn't as good as in the good old days, because they just tune out all the old crapness that also cropped up in the good old days.)

As was mentioned by JAF earlier, we shouldn't be trying to recreate the past of b.net; we should be trying to make today's b.net better.

-- Steve'll point out that recreating the past of b.net would involve jettisoning 90% of members and throttling the bandwidth here to "staticky dial-up" speed, for that authentic auld-skool experience.

  • 08.04.2006 6:41 AM PDT

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-- Steve'll point out that recreating the past of b.net would involve jettisoning 90% of members and throttling the bandwidth here to "staticky dial-up" speed, for that authentic auld-skool experience.

Eh, the first one might not be such a bad idea.

  • 08.04.2006 6:56 AM PDT
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sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
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Posted by: Anton P Nym
May I humbly request that we discard all mention of Bungie.net's "glory days"? 'Cause, to the best of my knowlege, 'twern't none. At any point in its history b.net's had its problems... however, thanks to the nostalgia filter wired into our brains, it's easy to forget those when comparing the past with today. (This is the same phenomenon that gets people to say that movies/music/games/architecture/whatever just isn't as good as in the good old days, because they just tune out all the old crapness that also cropped up in the good old days.)

As was mentioned by JAF earlier, we shouldn't be trying to recreate the past of b.net; we should be trying to make today's b.net better.


-- Steve'll point out that recreating the past of b.net would involve jettisoning 90% of members and throttling the bandwidth here to "staticky dial-up" speed, for that authentic auld-skool experience.


how come verytime I say something, it takes someone else saying it for anyone to agree?

  • 08.04.2006 7:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: SgtSTFU
Podumas has a point.. but here's what is bugging me right now:

Have you noticed a ton of members (new and old) who have all of the sudden "cleaned up their act," ever since this thread made such a big impact? I see more ass-kissers, copy-cat threads of this, and wannabe mods (sounds harsh, I know, but it has to be said) than ever, and they just keep bringing up "ahh good old days glory days!"


Not a ton, I've noticed a few though. Most noticable are the "older" members of the Flood; trying to get rid of some of those old, repetitive threads and try and start up some better, generally more decent discussion. There are some wannabe mods, but think about it, have there ever been no wannabe mods?

Don't mistake those trying to help out fellow members by reminding them of the rules and how things run with those who are trying to play Forum-cop/wannabe mod. I know the line between them are sort of fuzzy, but still, there is a line.


Oh, I know. There has been alot of improvement.. I get what you are saying, but the people that I have seen at least, I know are just putting on this new good act. You get to know a person's personality after reading their posts for a few months, and its obvious the people I'm talking about are putting on acts. I'm not trying to tell people not to help out, because yes, thats what we want in the first place.

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I would probably have to agree with everything you said,Jim. Bungie.net has become a place of vandalisim, as I see it. People are not treating the forums, or each other for that matter, with respect. There are very few genuine people on these forums dedicated to the wellbeing of the community. In the heat of all this, the moderators are putting up a fierce fight. It shouldn't be like that. Certainly I have come across rude behaviour from fellow members that is untolerable. People who are acting like jerks on these forums seriously need to do some maturing. It isn't a place of discussion anymore, it's a place of spam now. Certainly for me, when I head to the Halo 3 forum, the first thing I think is,"I wonder what mindless threads there are here." Let's all grow up, people.

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Keep in mind that some of these people are not out of charecter, but as threads like this are not frequent, you may not have seen the side of them that is currently being shown.

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Keep in mind that some of these people are not out of charecter, but as threads like this are not frequent, you may not have seen the side of them that is currently being shown.


Agreed. As I said before, the majority of the members were helpful before. If you go back and look at any thread where the member is asking for help on something, the other members try to help out as much as they can. The problem is that it was overshadowed by the fact that the majority of the threads in the Septagon were/are about moderators, HFCS, or other random community-related topics. I'm not going to blame people for keeping a forum active and fun...though I would agree that the number of those particular threads existing at any one time was too many.

  • 08.04.2006 8:49 AM PDT
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You said that there should be more interaction. What type of action would you want to see.
I wanna see Groups sharing news stories, co-sponsoring contests, having friendly challenges on various games, Working on new content, fan fictions, artwork, etc.

Also how can regular members help out the Community. Just by pitching in!
Start submitting news, being active, helping out the new guys, following the rules a bit better, ignoring people detrimental to the Column and B.net, posting in relevant and thought provoking manners, making Bungie.net better even if it's only your one thread. All of these are things you can do, and many more.

That's the problem, when you attempt to help; people bite your nuts off for "z9omg b3i/Vg teh wan3be m0dd". You want an example? I can give you one. I basically informed "No-one real" that you shouldn't reply to threads in The Classifieds and shouldn't be bumping his own thread as well. His reply in a PM?

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Go deflate your ego, eh?

The admins MOVED the post there. Hence, please dont attempt to quote rules to me when you yourself are not in the slightest a high ranking member of Bungie.net.

If we're getting onto rules:

"2. Do not post in other people’s threads!"

Sorry to have to send this PM but I dont like some hypocritcal member blaming me for doing something I didnt do.

The thread was already at the top of the forum, so me posting there attempting to put a message across would do no harm, so I went along with it.

People don't accept help or guidance here. You aren't allowed to try and improve the place; you're simply pushed aside and flamed.

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I still like this place, but I think that it is getting old and the memebers are just downright stupid.

Anyway, I am not mentioning "Glory days" I am mentioning how this place used to be a lot more fun. Nowadays, there are flamers and spammers in about every post on these forums. I know it is impossible for the moderators to ban or blacklist all of them but if someone could think of a way to stop from posting in the same thread for a certain time or something? I don't know really just some random idea.

Also, the flamers, like I said above, if you do it so much please go to counciling for your low self-esteem. It is the only logical explanation for why you flame.

If any of you have read my post above you know my viewpoints on this whole matter. I would like to point out something eles.


Has anyone have read about the inside bungie part of this site? I am just wondering, I've skimmed over it and thats all. What I am saying here is that we could maybe remove that, or put it under community, and then make something eles that would help this place out. I understand it isn't all about the members. Maybe get one of the designers to make a different backround? They're just all ideas I know nobody important is goign to read this but just a small idea.





[Edited on 8/4/2006]

  • 08.04.2006 10:20 AM PDT

Fight hard, break bones >{o

the "good ol days" can be compared to Halo 2s online. at first it was new, exciting, GREAT! in no time at all standby started (other games were already out to create this garbage tactic). everyone was pissed at it and i couldnt find one game over 25 for head to head without being cheated. then the "dummy glitching" started and after that it was the (actually needed skill and was hard to pull off in real combat) rocket/sword lunge.

now what reminds us of those days? modding. we hate it and standby seems less terrible to us then this new way of telling everyone you suck at halo and cant enjoy the game if you dont win. but the old days werent any better. this site is no different, first things were pretty good, but with more people comes more ideas, beliefs, and fights. if everyone could get along then there would be no wars.

wanna actually help? everytime you see someone post a negative comment simply ask them to respect the rules and respect the poster. tell them they can disagree all they want, but to try and be helpful and give constructive critisism. tell em they dont want people attacking them for their ideas so if they could not post negative stuff you would greatly appriciate it. thats all you have to do.

  • 08.04.2006 10:31 AM PDT

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  • 08.04.2006 11:00 AM PDT
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The state of the community can be seen in this post alone. How many of you even bothered reading the entire thread before you commented? Like Sgt and a few other members said, the reason the forums are losing their appeal is because 1) the community is HUGE and 2)everything being discussed is redundant. In this thread alone many of the things you people have said was straight up regurgitation. No one bothers reading each others posts, just making comments. That is why so many topics have become dull. You have to read 6 people saying the identical thing before you read someone bringing something new to the table. And I'm sorry, but a moderators job does not consist of babysitting members and "actively involving" yourself in more debates/discussions. Moderators are moderators because they minimize flame in forums and minimize cheating in games. The community must learn how to discuss topics with OTHER MEMBERS, not sit around brown nosing moderators all day long so they can have bragging rights or feel somehow more significant because they have a "pal moderator" on their group list.

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What does regurgitation mean?

  • 08.04.2006 12:28 PM PDT