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OK, well Im not sure if someone mentioned it, I dont have time to read all the pages but I got about 10 in... Im headed to work after this post.

Anyway, An Idea I had a while ago and was working on with Snowmanaxt and GP, was an Old Skool Appreciation Month.

Basically, for one month or so, bungie is focused on mainly the oldskool games. Especially now that H3 has been announced, it would be neat to just stop halo discussion for a while and talk about some of the other games b.net has made. TONS of people have not played marathon, and dont get some of the jokes made about the relationshops between in and halo.

I believe it would just be a good idea to pull off the topic of halo for a short while, take a break from it. Make news stories and tons of posts about the games. Start back up the Myth and Marathon Jumpers, use those groups to help set up matches. Put out stickies like toasts old one on how to download and get those games. Give tutorials and explanations.

Make an Oldskool movement, site wide. And really use the groups already in place to get things moving, get more forum:group interaction going.

This may cause more work for the mods, or it may not, if they lock halo disussion threads during this time, or just soley restrict ALL halo topcis to the halo forum.

But make the underground be hte headquarters for this. For that month, make it ONLY bungie oldskool, not bungie general.

Just my thought... Im in a rush, or I would type a lot more about it...

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O, and maybe start getting some of the groups that are already there involved in the 7th again. Get The Guide up and running, get Team ACS moving again. We just need a few members willing to help the 7th column as a whole to get this going. If we help other groups, instead of putting them down, help other people, instead of bashing in thier face with a mace, things will change.

Take the groups meant to help people, AND USE THEM.

  • 08.06.2006 11:36 AM PDT
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I've came to to a point:

The Underground: Make things better, its the forum that started it. No.1. Make it more on the Bungie gereral side of things, make it something that can make it fun. You could also merge it with the news and gallery forums.


Make it better? It's not as simple as turning a knob or something, you know. The Underground IS Bungie general stuff/Old Skool. Well, it's supposed to be, but some members don't pay attention to that. How can you make something to make it fun? Be more specific.

The Septagon: The eye of the storm. The home of the 7th Column! BRING IT BACK! Make it best commiunty thread around!!! And change it from being a problems fourm!!!

The home of the 7th Column. Indeed, but what exactly are we bringing back? An abstract concept? Again, Bungie can't "make it the best thread" around; it's the members. Bungie also can't change it from being a problems forum, because it's not a problems forum to begin with. It's the newer members who flood it with questions about ninjas and crap like that. Suggestions help a lot more than saying "make it better".

The Maw: The unsung forum... Make people know of this forum! Make more events for Halo PC and CE! When Halo 2 Vista comes out. Make it apart of the maw.

A Bungie sponsored tourney would be nice, but that doesn't really relate to The Maw. If anything, it belongs on the front page. I agree with the part about Halo 2 Vista being in The Maw. They'll probably do that instead of making a whole new forum.

The Flood: Restore it to its uber-coolness! What happened to the 100 guys that made it rule!!!

Bungie can't bring back members that you think are cool. What, you want them to bring back Twitch? Once again, this isn't up to Bungie. It's the members that make a forum great or make it terrible. Think of a forum as an empty building. Depending on who occupies it, it can be an awesome all in one gaming center/cafe/paintball arena/strip club, or it can be a boring office building. The building is just a building; it's what's on the inside that counts.

(Darths forum ideas)

The index: (I think the Library would be a better name...) A fanfic fourm. (Ofg and the many fanfic groups are the current state of fanfic fourms.)


We have sites like HBO for things like fan fiction. What better place for fan fiction than a fan site?

Old School: For the older bungie games.

We have the Underground for that. Most of the threads there right now are about Marathon or the HGN.

HaXh0rs!!!: Site problems, the conquering crap, ect...

It's far easier to PM Achronos or an admin about a site problem rather than have a whole forum for it.

Arcade: For forum games!

The Flood would be perfect for forum games. There used to be lots of them, and there still are, but most of them are stupid now.


I was in a rush...

Anyway, I agree with Nedus.

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Wow. Look at this thread. How fast has it grown in only a few days?

The response from all of those concerned by the state of the community, the ones fearing they will never see the return of the good oldschool days, and those who- as GJJ put it- are just here to blow sunshine up the asses of the moderators (How did you think their posts manage to shine so brilliantly white?): it's all really telling. The spirit is willing.

And that's exactly what is needed. Spirit.

This thread seemed to thrive on Achronos' mention of impending new features, yet features alone can't make this a fun place to be. In my opinion, what makes the community is the community. People are far more interesting than features, and as helpful as a site search and a karma system will be, this place is only ever going to be saved by thoughtful posts coming from those genuinely interested in the Bungie community (not just its games, but mainly its people).

What we need is interesting content. The blame shouldn't rest with the spammers or the group wars or the ass kissers or the elitists or the power-hungry-Prophet-of-Truth-opportunists. (By the way, if I come across as any of these types of people, please, someone, delete this post as soon as you can. Thanks.) The blame rests squarely upon YOU (and me), the inactive, uninteresting complainer, who doesn't get on his/her arse and do something. We need to start filling the relevant forums with engaging, thought-provoking topics. Stuff like this below is a great step (just one) in the right direction.

Posted by: GameJunkieJim
The Inaugural Issue for you all, this newsletter is for you all to share, and I'll be looking for your contributions!


I remember a while back The Watchers came up with an interesting tactic in order to save New Mombasa from degrading into a warzone. (I hope they don't mind me mentioning this.)

The idea was to 'spam' New Mombasa with interesting topics, relating to theories about Halo and Halo 2. It didn't matter if the topic had been previously discussed (as long as it hadn't been flogged with a flaming stick), if someone from The Watchers occasionally 'constructively bumped' the topic, that would hopefully encourage civil discussion to continue on its own, and drown out the noise of the fiftieth cry for the return of the ATV.

Sadly it didn't work. The Watchers were too small to manage New Mombasa.

This thread, however, has shown that Bungie.net has plenty who are willing to to help. There are loads who could take part in 'positive spamming', for want of a better expression. True, Halo provides a wealth of mysteries to explore, but I'm sure similar goals could also be achieved in the non-Halo forums.

Ignore the elephant sitting in your living room. It might not go away, but if you are distracting enough (and I mean really distracting to take eyes away from an elephant) people will pay attention to you instead, someone who has something interesting to say. If we force good stuff to rise to the top, the forums will eventually manage without stabilisers.


I realise it's very easy to say this. It's much more difficult to come up with interesting content, to make something that involves people, than to just talk the talk. I'm hardly the member to complain that people simply aren't interesting enough, but with the spirit going forward of making this a great community, (with plenty of Bungie interaction too!) it can be done!

I'm glad for this thread. It has shown me that the spirit is here in the community. (No disembodied soul jokes please.)

[Edited on 8/7/2006]

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I'm glad for this thread. It has shown me that the spirit is here in the community. (No disembodied soul jokes please.)


Awww man!

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Wow, when I last saw this thread it had only two pages, looks like I have a lot of reading to do.

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I'm glad for this thread. It has shown me that the spirit is here in the community. (No disembodied soul jokes please.)

What a rip off.

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Wondering off topic again...

  • 08.06.2006 3:24 PM PDT

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Thanks you Nedus you just gave us a small example of what it's like in the Halo 3 forums...


For your information, that wasn't meant to be flaming. Hell, it wasn't even your post, so what are you getting your panties in a bunch for? If I give an example of the Halo 3 forums, then you're a perfect example of a regular Flood member.

Thanks you too. ^_^

  • 08.06.2006 4:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nedus
Posted by: APurpleChicken
Thanks you Nedus you just gave us a small example of what it's like in the Halo 3 forums...


For your information, that wasn't meant to be flaming. Hell, it wasn't even your post, so what are you getting your panties in a bunch for? If I give an example of the Halo 3 forums, then you're a perfect example of a regular Flood member.

Thanks you too. ^_^


That's the kind of stereotyping we're trying to get rid of here.

Why animosity towards a forum?

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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
Posted by: Nedus
Posted by: APurpleChicken
Thanks you Nedus you just gave us a small example of what it's like in the Halo 3 forums...


For your information, that wasn't meant to be flaming. Hell, it wasn't even your post, so what are you getting your panties in a bunch for? If I give an example of the Halo 3 forums, then you're a perfect example of a regular Flood member.

Thanks you too. ^_^


That's the kind of stereotyping we're trying to get rid of here.

Why animosity towards a forum?
Animosity from bad experience, is likely the most common reason. The other common reason is peer pressured 'hate'.

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OK, well Im not sure if someone mentioned it, I dont have time to read all the pages but I got about 10 in... Im headed to work after this post.

Anyway, An Idea I had a while ago and was working on with Snowmanaxt and GP, was an Old Skool Appreciation Month.

Basically, for one month or so, bungie is focused on mainly the oldskool games. Especially now that H3 has been announced, it would be neat to just stop halo discussion for a while and talk about some of the other games b.net has made. TONS of people have not played marathon, and dont get some of the jokes made about the relationshops between in and halo.

I believe it would just be a good idea to pull off the topic of halo for a short while, take a break from it. Make news stories and tons of posts about the games. Start back up the Myth and Marathon Jumpers, use those groups to help set up matches. Put out stickies like toasts old one on how to download and get those games. Give tutorials and explanations.

Make an Oldskool movement, site wide. And really use the groups already in place to get things moving, get more forum:group interaction going.

This may cause more work for the mods, or it may not, if they lock halo disussion threads during this time, or just soley restrict ALL halo topcis to the halo forum.

But make the underground be hte headquarters for this. For that month, make it ONLY bungie oldskool, not bungie general.

Just my thought... Im in a rush, or I would type a lot more about it...

[hr][hr]

O, and maybe start getting some of the groups that are already there involved in the 7th again. Get The Guide up and running, get Team ACS moving again. We just need a few members willing to help the 7th column as a whole to get this going. If we help other groups, instead of putting them down, help other people, instead of bashing in thier face with a mace, things will change.

Take the groups meant to help people, AND USE THEM.

  • 08.06.2006 10:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
Posted by: Nedus
Posted by: APurpleChicken
Thanks you Nedus you just gave us a small example of what it's like in the Halo 3 forums...


For your information, that wasn't meant to be flaming. Hell, it wasn't even your post, so what are you getting your panties in a bunch for? If I give an example of the Halo 3 forums, then you're a perfect example of a regular Flood member.

Thanks you too. ^_^


That's the kind of stereotyping we're trying to get rid of here.

Why animosity towards a forum?


Not the forum itself Jim. I guess you could say animosity towards the inhabitants of it. I know what you mean by stereotyping, but can you really disagree with it? Like I said before, it's what's on the inside of the building(in this case, the Flood) that counts, not the building itself.

Rarely, there will be a cool post there, but then the idiots come and spam it. I understand that it's an off topic forum, but it's declined from intelligent off topic stuff like life on other planets, Halo related theories( <3 Eagle), and things like that. Now...currently, there is a thread about Paris Hilton's celibacy(self explanatory), a thread and a poll by L8te Runnr(also self explanatory), and some other crap. There are a few threads in there that aren't so bad, but usually it's inundated with stupid crap about people's personal lives, as if anyone cares about a random forum member's life.

People need to stop using the Flood like Myspace. I'm not expecting every single thread there to be intelligent discussion and all uptight, but it would be nice to see a little less spam.

Posted by: The Lone Heretic
Animosity from bad experience, is likely the most common reason. The other common reason is peer pressured 'hate'.


I guess you're right about the "bad experience". I used to love the Flood; I'd post there all the time. I just posted in a thread about Pokemon, which is the first post that I've made in the Flood in at least 3 months.

[Edited on 8/7/2006]

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Rarely, there will be a cool post there, but then the idiots come and spam it. I understand that it's an off topic forum, but it's declined from intelligent off topic stuff like life on other planets, Halo related theories( <3 Eagle), and things like that. Now...currently, there is a thread about Paris Hilton's celibacy(self explanatory), a thread and a poll by L8te Runnr(also self explanatory), and some other crap. There are a few threads in there that aren't so bad, but usually it's inundated with stupid crap about people's personal lives, as if anyone cares about a random forum member's life.

To be fair though, with politics and religion banned, we can hardly talk about pressing current affairs. So Paris Hilton saying Tony blair is "Like your president" is as close as we can come to political discussion. Not that i'm saying that's a bad thing.

  • 08.07.2006 3:48 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Like I said, I don't expect, or want, every single Flood post to be on things like relativity or life on other planets or anything like that. There's other off topic stuff that I'd like to see more of, like news about new movies and games, and things of that nature. I just want to see less things like Paris Hilton's celibacy, people asking for advice on how to ask a girl out, and how someone broke up with their significant other.

Political discussion can make for some great debates, but it's far too volatile for the Flood. It's best left to places like Body Politic.

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Wow, this is why I don't post on the public forums much, I gave my ideas. And then I comment that I might of saw a flame in the one guys post and I then everyone critisizes me? And even Nedus flames me, yes I'm pretty sure thats a flame up there...


  • 08.07.2006 10:09 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Anyways, on to more important matters, I suggest that maybe there could be a person, or small group of individuals, maybe from the community, or from Bungie(where's Sawnose?) to revive the Gallery. It could be timed with the Weekly Update, so we get our weekly helping of totally useless information, a Mister Chief, and a gallery image.

Maybe the selection of community members for this purpose could be similar to the process of selecting a theme master; have the applicant submit an amusing or shocking image from any Bungie game(or maybe even use action figures for the image) to Bungie, and have someone evaluate it, and see whether or not it's good enough for the Gallery. If they are, the person or people could be "hired" to come up with weekly images. Nobody said that there had to be a limit of only one image, but it should be kept at 3 maximum. The party who creates the images could submit them to someone like Frankie, who could then see whether or not it's suitably retarded/insane/cool/funny.

I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, but I'd like to help if this is ever implemented. I've been fixing to buy myself some new Halo action figures.

Now, I know this probably won't fly well with Bungie staff, but maybe mods could be used for Halo 2 images? For Halo PC stuff, it's a given, but what about Halo 2?

On a side note, if this were ever implemented, Halo 2 Vista(maybe even Halo 3) would probably be out, thus eliminating any need for mods for a Halo 2 image. The only problem is whether or not a Halo 2 CE would be released...

Sound good? Any input or anything I didn't think of? Achronos, what do you think?

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I have no room to speak cause i joined this 3 days ago but alot of people do have were they want you to join this group soo ya

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I agree that the gallery should be revived. I would also like to see a revival of the voting booth.

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A revival of the Gallery and Voting Booth would be great.User submitted images would be great.Community contests would be great sort of how HBO does it.That could be something interesting.

  • 08.08.2006 10:32 AM PDT

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Revivals of those would be great for morale.


And a consistent weekly update to the Seventh Column page would be lovely.

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Once i read through the entire thread i realized that there are a lot of good ideas and a lot of not so good ideas, but it is better to have an idea and for it to be bad than to sit on the way side and do nothing.

I am sitting here thinking to myself what the old hawtness before halo 2 was like and i cant help but feel all warm and fuzzy. So maybe what we need to do along with more member interaction is figure out what it is exactly we miss about the 7th column, and make a list and then from there try and figure out how to rekindle (spelling) all of those things instead of everything at once. Or maybe i am wrong i dont know, but usually thats how i solve problems and it always works. Congrats GJJ on creating a good thread, and i know im going to be doing some things such as more Fan Fiction, maybe some videos and a few other things.

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Revivals of those would be great for morale.


And a consistent weekly update to the Seventh Column page would be lovely.


Both would help B.net and the search engine will help.

[Edited on 8/8/2006]

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Not to toot my own horn either, but I will help. I try to post accurately and intuitively. I think we should just 'go-fur it!' That means: Shutterbugs start your snapping, maybe get a cheasy stop-animation of Halo figurines battling (lol i love stop animations!) and everyone else, just start by being happy posters! I'm kinda late in the game here, and i'm new, but i see it as when we help ourselves the Mods etc are more than happy to pitch in. So, here's to happy posting!

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Nice post Jim.

Personally, I think the saddest part of this is that Bungie will probably never see this post, because they are so disinterested in the community. Blam, how could this happen?

From Marathon and Myth to this crap...

  • 08.08.2006 6:49 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Achronos was posting in here a couple days ago....and why the hell did you type out "blam"?

Bungie isn't "disinterested" in our community. They're busy making games. Of course, I'm sure they don't spend too much of their free time interacting with us, which is what we want; more of that. Personally, I'm not asking for Bungie guys to be on here every day making topics and all that, because they have jobs and lives.

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