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Subject: FORERUNNERS ARE HUMANS!!!
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This might seem like some random guess crack-pot theory to u but there is evendents everywhere. One of my main resones is what 343 Guilty Spark says and does. In the last lvl in halo "the maw" guilty spark says "you can't believe how exsiting this is, a record of all our lost times... human history is it" think about that. "our"? why would this be his lost time? He was built by forerunners right, so this human history is a record of the gap in forerunner history? Humans and forerunners must be one in the same. or at least we can assume that humans at the point when guilty spark was stationed on halo were part of a collection of races that made up the forerunners. Also halo's enviroments are just like earth's 1 g gravity, human breathable atmoshere, the egosystem (birds, plantlife). I dought this is a coinsadence that they are this simalar. Guilty Spark selects a humans as the reclamer and not some elite (in the book he actualy tried recuiting a marine before he came to MC but the marine died).
I have a lot more information and pruff for this theory and will post it if people reply to this

I ask u. Do u think this is just BS or something to think about?
do you think this will be revieled in halo 2 as a plot twist?

  • 10.10.2004 8:39 PM PDT
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Good theory even with the many misspellings. Anyway, I can see if something like "the ancients" were introduced in the game but how would humans have gotten to Halo? I mean, we did all start out in the same place. Unless a species, identical to humans in every way but not of the species of man itself came to be then we gotta keep thinking.
There are many reasons why 343 picked a human over a Covanent elite. One reason I can think of is that humans are a lot less rash and spontanious than elites. We take the time to consider things while elites blow stuff impulsively. We would be a lot more easier to talk to and reason with, unlike the barbarious elites.

  • 10.10.2004 9:02 PM PDT

We’ve watched while the stars burned
Out, and creation played in reverse.
The Universe freezing in half-light.
Once I thought to escape.
To end a master, step out of the
Path of collapse. Escape would make us God.
Yet I cannot help but remember one enigma,
A hybrid, elusive destroyer.
This is the one mystery I have not solved.
The only element unaccounted for.

And we don't blow up stuff impulsively?
And trust me, this has already been discussed to death. Guilty Spark could have meant any history that took place during the "lost" period. Or maybe Earth was under the care of the Forerunners, which would make it part of their empire. Trust me, THERE IS NO SOLID PROOF THAT THE FORERUNNERS ARE HUMAN.

  • 10.10.2004 9:06 PM PDT
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now that i see that someone cares i can get into my other resones
In the second lvl "Halo" when u go under ground and activate the light bridge, the book mentions that when MC went up an looked at the control panel he somehow just by instinct and a very strong feeling, knew which botton to press, which cortana couldnt figure out her-selfhow he knew. I think the forerunners built halo with the forthought to build and plan it for someone other that their society to learn how to use. mable they desined the control panel to be understood by all sentient races and cultures? i dont know but all i know is that a human naturaly knew how to activate this forerunner technology.

  • 10.10.2004 9:22 PM PDT
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well sorry gato if im too lazy to search through 3 or 4 thousand pages of topic list to see what other people think

  • 10.10.2004 9:27 PM PDT

Posted by: DelJay
"you can't believe how exsiting this is, a record of all our lost times... human history is it" think about that. "our"? why would this be his lost time? He was built by forerunners right, so this human history is a record of the gap in forerunner history? Humans and forerunners must be one in the same. or at least we can assume that humans at the point when guilty spark was stationed on halo were part of a collection of races that made up the forerunners.



I hope this gets posted before this topic is locked or moved... wrong forum:-)

When 343 GS says "our" he's making a connection between who? If it's between him and the MC, like you're suggesting, then your interpretation would mean that 343 GS and the MC are the same race. 343 GS is an AI construct, not an actual Forerunner, right?

Oh, where does it say, in the books or game, who built 343 GS;-)

-Eagle 117

  • 10.10.2004 9:36 PM PDT
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so anyway...
At the end of First Strike in the conversation betwenn the Covenant High Prophet of Truth and Tartarus it seems that soon the Forerunner artifacts they have been recovering will "make no difference" soon. In the contexts of the conversation seems that they mean after earth is invaded. So earth has enough forerunner artifacts on it to put what the covenant have now (at the end of first stike) in shadow. So there was definetly a forerunner colonie on earth. Also it seems that the prophets are trying to keep something about the forerunners a secret to the extreme of having the pilots that found the parts of the "holylight" the forerunner artifact that the spartans found on reach
this isnt much proff of my theory but there is somthing that the Prophets dont want the others to know about the forerunners

  • 10.10.2004 9:54 PM PDT
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eagle, we know halo was build by the forerunners and that guilty spark is the care taker of Halo (he said "this instalation"), so your segesting that the forerunners build halo but another race built guilty spark to take care of it?
Sence he was built by the forerunners (assuming that he was built by the forerunners) , the forerunners history would be guilty spark's knowlege of history, no duh guilty spark isnt a forerunner...
He said the "our history" line in the game right after he shuts down the detionation count-down and right before he says that you can not win


[Edited on 10/10/2004 10:15:45 PM]

  • 10.10.2004 10:11 PM PDT
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Ahem... lol dude, you're a little bit......... Underground. Head up to New Mambasa and you may see that I have a more elaborate take on the exact thing we both came up with. :)

My theory - read it. :)

  • 10.10.2004 10:19 PM PDT

Yes, Chaplain has become the "expert" on this topic.

As I’ve made known before, this interpretation of 343 GS statments is quite strict. I’d like to offer an example of how 343 GS statement could be used in different terms. Lets say that one of my best friend, lets call her Sarah, went missing one afternoon. I waited to here from her for days, which then turn into weeks, and then months. I even decide to go out searched for her myself; however, I couldn’t seem to find here.

Two years pass by, and one day I get a call from some gov. agency telling me that they’ve found Sarah. Of course, I’d be over joyed with the news. I’d rush to where Sarah was being held, and as soon as I’d see her, I run up and hug her. I’d ask her where she’d been, tell her how much I had missed her, and then tell her about how much we had to catch up on from “all our lost time.

Now, the example I’ve shown here obviously has me representing 343 GS, and my friend Sarah representing the MC. However, what I failed to mention was what the gov. agency told me when they found Sarah. She was found 3 states over eating scraps in an ally behind the local movie theater. She was starving, really needed a bath, and she had flees... Sarah is my pet dog!

While this may be one of the cheesiest example in the history of b.net, and completely made up, it illustrates that there are other ways of interpreting 343 GS’s statement. When I said "our lost time," I was in no way implying that I'm a dog, or that Sarah (dog) is my equal. "Our" doesn't have to mean that the subjects being described are the same/equal, as you're suggesting.

One other thing to point out. When 343 GS states “our” lost time, he’s aquatinting himself, not his maker/s, with the MC. The last time I checked, 343 GS isn’t a Forerunner, but rather an AI construct. You surely aren’t saying that 343 GS associates himself (he does says “our”), an AI, as being the same as the MC?

-Eagle 117

  • 10.10.2004 10:28 PM PDT
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LOL i thought this was probaly aready discused but i would know where to look exactly and im not going to go through 2 thousand pages of topic list as i said earlyer
It looks as if i was coping many of your aguments... i swear i came up with those on my own
and i wanted to know what people were thinking in the past month or so

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  • 10.10.2004 10:29 PM PDT
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Expert my ass Eagle, I've gone pro :)

And Yeah, I'll believe you about not wanting to go through all the endless pages.. I've gone through about 200 of them myself just trying to find a theory I wrote a long while back.

  • 10.10.2004 10:31 PM PDT

Before I get too ahead of myself DelJay... Welcome to B.net!

-Eagle 117

P.S.
In the future make sure you post all thing Halo 2 in New Mombasa:-)

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  • 10.10.2004 10:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Chaplain
Expert my ass Eagle, I've gone pro :)



I'd be happy to debate what constitutes being a Pro:-)

-Eagle 117

  • 10.10.2004 10:33 PM PDT
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1. Pro.

One who = kick ass at proving stuff on Bungie.net. (AKA Chaplain.)

2. Pro.

Chaplain of Bungie.net.

3. Pro.

Somebody named Chaplain on Bungie.net that = awesome in proving the Forerunner are Human. :)

  • 10.10.2004 10:35 PM PDT
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Alright DelJay, I'm sure Eagle and I are done spamming your thread. :)

  • 10.10.2004 10:38 PM PDT
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Its ok, as far as reading many of "who is the forerunner" id have to say that u r realy good at proving a point

  • 10.10.2004 10:57 PM PDT
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Eagle 117 kicks ass with his theories. DelJay, no offense, but his theories are better than this one (which was proven innaccurate).

  • 10.11.2004 1:18 AM PDT
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it is clear that no matter what that the humans had some link to the forerunner. but has anyone taken this into account. humans were monkeys at one point. is it possible that the forerunner ran into some kind of trouble and injected the primitive monkey life forms of earth to save them selves over time? theories much appreciated

  • 10.11.2004 3:28 AM PDT
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to support that theory, in the rumored new theatrical trailer of halo 2, the prophets are seen speaking english, language of the humans not the covenant. can that possibly mean that in an attempt to emulate the forerunners they are speaking their langauge.

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  • 10.11.2004 6:21 AM PDT
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maybe the forerunner disbanded and became the the covenant and human. evelution. both races the covenant accelerated on evelution and became technological quicker. the humans was slower. when the covenant destroyed the colony world of the humans the took one a reaserch speciman. found out that they had very similar DNA and have decided that they don't want to share the power of the galaxy, so they destroy the humans.

  • 10.11.2004 6:27 AM PDT
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its a very good theory, but the covenant copied forerunner technology- so i THINk its worong... also they worshiped the forerunners, not massacred them

  • 10.11.2004 6:34 AM PDT
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Posted by:cable
to support that theory, in the rumored new theatrical trailer of halo 2, the prophets are seen speaking english, language of the humans not the covenant. can that possibly mean that in an attempt to emulate the forerunners they are speaking their langauge.

How do you even know that is a prophet talking? If it was, it wouldn't
matter anyway because it wouldn't be too hard for prophets to learn
English anyway. In fact, we've known that the Covenant know english
since before the game ever came out. How? The Halo transmissions
show what could be a Covenant A.I. speaking excellent english. How
do you know it isn't a Covenant A.I. in the trailer?

Here's a post I made a while back explaining just about everything I could think of to disprove the Forerunner=Human theory.

Someone (sorry I forgot who) posted the same argument you made
about 343 saying "our" lost time, and it initially changed my mind,
but now that I think about it, that could mean a lot of things. No theory
is fool proof, but if we think of as many explanations as we can
now, maybe we'll play Halo 2 and find out which ones were right.

  • 10.11.2004 8:33 AM PDT
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There is one thing all of you are forgetting, why does 343 Guilty Spark speak English in the first place? And specifically with a british accent? I don't know about you guys but this is kinda significant between the link between the humans and the forerunners.

  • 10.11.2004 9:37 AM PDT

Posted by: Grunty_Thirst
There is one thing all of you are forgetting, why does 343 Guilty Spark speak English in the first place? And specifically with a british accent? I don't know about you guys but this is kinda significant between the link between the humans and the forerunners.


The Grunts speak english from time to time.

What's that imply?

;-)

-Eagle 117

  • 10.11.2004 9:40 AM PDT