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Ah, thank you, ender.
I am still at a loss as to what it means, if it in fact means anything at all.

-edit--oh wait, I think I just got it. Is it him possibly looking at genetic discrepancies between the Master Cheif and the humans or the MC and Forerunner maybe?

[Edited on 10/17/2004 4:32:59 PM]

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Well, 343 believes you to be the first Reclaimer. "You" activated the ring before, but are now acting completely different. You are being inconsistant in his mind... chip... memory... you know what I mean...

  • 10.17.2004 4:32 PM PDT

Posted by: eMCee
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you failed to look at the fact that guilty spark knows what a human is even though they had been only there for a few days. also the humans ditched the pillar of autmn when it went down so where would they get the technology to reverse engineer the forrunner hardware. also no ones even seen the controll room so how did the chief know to bring a converter with him? the one fact that even I overlooked is that Guilty Spark can speak english and a few days is an insufficent amount of time to peiece together a language.

Of course 343 knows what a human is, and if he knows what a human
is, why would he tell a human (Spartan 117) to stop being human?
Why would he pick humans as reclaimers when he obviously sees
them as inferior? It must be a case of mistaken identity. If you know
what Marathon is, this will interest you.
In Marathon, there was a terminal that had a quote from Shakespeare
in it. It read:
I am an ass indeed: you may prove it by my
long ears. I have served him from the hour
of my nativity to this instant, and have
nothing at this hands for my service but
blows: when I am cold he heats me with
beating, when I am warm he cools me with
beating. I am waked with it when I sleep;
raised with it when I sit; driven out of
doors with it when I go from home; welcomed
home with it when I return: nay, I bear it
on my shoulders as a beggar wont her brat;
and I think, when he hath lamed me, I shall
beg it from door to door.

Marathon and Halo have many similar themes, and this particular
quote is from a play called The Comedy of Errors. It was dealt with
mistaken identities.

I also wrote about how 343 could mistake humans for Forerunner
in an earlier post.

Humans would get the Forerunner technoloy from other sites, maybe
even the Halo itself. (Eagle 117 has made many convincing posts that
all but prove that humans were on Halo before the actual events of the
game)

Also, 343 GS says one very important word in the Maw if you listen
carefully.
Inconsistent.



Cortana derived the coordinates of Halo from the symbols found on the artifact at Sigma Octanus IV (p.335-336, TFoR). That same artifact was used to send a Covenant transmission from the planet Sigma Octanus IV to a Covenant stealth ship in orbit around the planet. Keys (Iroquois) intercepted this same transmission, and we later find that the transmission and artifact symbols were viewed by Col. Ackerson (p.231-235, TFoR)

We know that the artifact found on Sigma Octanus IV gave two coordinates. It gave the coordinates to the Epsilon Eridani system (Reach)(p.130, FS), and it gave the coordinates to Halo 04 (Cortana finds this). In the S-III file there are two sets of coordinates. One coordinate, which is plainly stated to be taken from the artifact symbols found on Sigma Octanus IV, gives the location of Reach. The other location in the S-III file is in uncontrolled UNSC space. I then derived that the two sets of coordinates, which are both located in the same file (S-III), and around the discussion of the artifact found on Sigma Octanus IV, are a likely 99% match.(p.130, FS).

Given that Ackerson derived the coordinates of the Epsilon Eridani system (Reach) from the symbols on the artifact, then it's logical to conclude that he also found the location of Halo 04 from the symbols on the artifact as Cortana did (p.335 - 336).

-Eagle 117

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Posted by: Ender
Well, 343 believes you to be the first Reclaimer. "You" activated the ring before, but are now acting completely different. You are being inconsistant in his mind... chip... memory... you know what I mean...

Ah, that would make more sense than my just edited last post.

[Edited on 10/17/2004 4:36:52 PM]

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yes thats right in the first book the scientist lady talk about MC being flash cloned and used in a black op, so when GS talks about the other reclaimer as if he knows him and the humans went to the past as the other theroy suggested then GS knows the other MC and thats how he knows the MC and can speck english bcause the humans knew the Covenant were coming and build Halo as a last deffense.

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i have two words for you guys. holy crap.

I was confused before but now I'm flat out dumbstruck. If the Flood found DNA in the Library (even with info on genomes, locations, and identities) I doubt they would even be able to work the computers. They're nothing but parasites. Also, the coordinates the UNSC got from the Sigma Octanus IV artifacts would lead the Covenant to Reach, yes, but it would also lead them to Halo 04. They were already there when that transmission was sent weren't they? If so wouldn't that mean they found other artifacts containing coordinates? What if they already have the coordinates to Earth (in FoR) and are just building up a freak load of ships, troops, etc. to blast the hell out of us with?

And finally, a few hours is eaasily enough for an AI to learn a language. Cortana could learn just about any language in a matter of minutes. I don't know if 343 is as "smart' as Cortana but even so... well, you get the picture.

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Halo is not a weapon to use against the covenant. I really doubt that 343 knew the cloned copy of John, because 343 says(indirectly of course) that the ring had been activated before. That would have killed all sentient life in the galaxy(well within 25,000 light years).

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The crystal does not disprove my theorie but what makes me wonder is how the covenant even knew that Reach had such a secret.

Oh and eMCee i also agree that the word inconsistant is pretty vague and does not describe anyhting used in that context

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Where did all this stuff about a cloned MC come from. In The Fall of Reach they talk about flash cloning as being a way to replace the civillian John and in months the flash clone would die of natural causes. The flash cloning is the result of a militaty cover up.

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He's got a point. I'm not sure. I didn't read FoR as thoroughly as I should have.

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i think the Halo rings can be used for both purposes. and also, if MC could in fact travel back in time, maybe he could ecape the blast. But then where is the original MC? so many ?'s.

Here's one of my theories: MC did activate Halo 04 before. I think the weapon only affects living tissue. Therefore, 343 GS would not be affected. He could then use the DNA samples in the Library (assuming there are any) and ressurect all life in the galaxy. Covenant aren't in the same galaxy as Halo 04 are they? I don't think they are... anywho: 343 could have ressurected the human race and when they came back he recognized John.

What d'ya think about my theory?

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GS says that ur not acting like ur self and that u activated Halo prviuosly so it makes sense and plus if u read the book the name for Halo is Halo o4 and if its the 4th then who knows how many others there are and if there were enough then if u used 1 signal to order detonation then you could destroy the universe

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your therory is inconsistant firstthe dead marines body would have decomposed over that vast amount of time and would have been nothing but bones no uniform nothingand for the flash clone thing they could have gotten many other DNA samples the had plenty of oppritunities for doing so so my theory makes sense

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hmmm... interesting... but that still doesn't explain where the MC who activated Halo before went.

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I haven't read all 3 books so if my theories have huge gaps feel free to verbally assault me.

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Not only does it mention that it is the 04th installation Spark mentions that "once the others followsuit this galaxy will be quite devoid of life." so Spark also mention the existence of other installations.

Another note about the coordanates. If you watch the behind the scenes bungie documentary on halo 2 it mentions that you return to the gas giant that halo orbited. Perhaps another crystal lies there.

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1. Flash clones deteriorate quickly. No time to ever get to Halo.
2. The likelyhood of John being ressurected from the DNA is slim to none.
3. I don't think the traveling back in time thing works that way.
4. I think that the Covenant are in the same Galaxy, if I'm not mistaken.

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and plus how could 343 wipe out everything and still recognize somone when he never takes of his helmot we only have to assume that the clone did and how does cloning make sure that John would have the same life as he did before so again back to my theory it works.

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could u give me a link to that doc? if so please do

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i really need to read those books

  • 10.17.2004 5:33 PM PDT
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We're mainly getting these from the books. Try the Halo Story page at HBO though.

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they could have flash cloned him on the way and put him in cryo stasis

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i trust the guy that came up with the halo universe thean some retard reporter

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hmm

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due go to barnes and noble or booksamillion or walmart anywhere that sells books should have them

  • 10.17.2004 5:38 PM PDT