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Posted by: DelJay
now that i see that someone cares i can get into my other resones
In the second lvl "Halo" when u go under ground and activate the light bridge, the book mentions that when MC went up an looked at the control panel he somehow just by instinct and a very strong feeling, knew which botton to press, which cortana couldnt figure out her-selfhow he knew. I think the forerunners built halo with the forthought to build and plan it for someone other that their society to learn how to use. mable they desined the control panel to be understood by all sentient races and cultures? i dont know but all i know is that a human naturaly knew how to activate this forerunner technology.


I think the reson he is familiar with the controls is because in FS you see that they come out of the slipspace bubble BEFORE Halo blows. Meaning he might go to halo before he went to halo.

  • 10.17.2004 7:46 PM PDT
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Geez, I leave for a few hours and the posts more than double.

I read all the posts, but quite frankly I'm lost. Most of the posts
were just chatter, so hopefully I'll get the discussion up and
running again.

I'd like to get a general consensus of who thinks The Forerunner
are human, or something else. (Jjaro for example)

I like the Jjaro idea a great deal, but we know little to none about
them at all. What did you guys think of the The First Born idea I
posted earlier? Do you think it's possible for The Jjaro to
be beings of pure energy like in The Odyssey series?

What about good ol' Durandal? He was always obsessed with
gaining his freedom, which also entailed becoming like God and
creating. Here's a post I wrote a while back on the subject
Was he successful? Is Durandal the Forerunner? Those S'pht
markings all over Halo could mean something, and the fact that
the control room of Halo which was a computer is a temple is a
bit strange.

I really just want to know where you guys are at.

  • 10.17.2004 8:15 PM PDT
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This does make a lot of sense after all we are talking about 2552 years as much as we know this could be just like what the pythagoreans did, not to mention the war has only been going on for 30 years.

  • 10.17.2004 8:52 PM PDT
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You could be right on the Forerunners are Humans, but I have a different theory. It says that Forerunner are neither Jjaro (WHATEVER THAT IS) or Human or Covenant: They are just Forerunner. BUT, all of us are related in a special way...

Here is my theory

Thing I hate most is nobody will read it probably because it is too long. It is a good theory I think. You people should really look at it.

[Edited on 10/17/2004 9:03:43 PM]

  • 10.17.2004 9:00 PM PDT

For all you guys who keep bringing up the cloned MC/Spartan issue, this was taken from a 20+ page thread of mine that focused on the clone issue:)

Jamie Griesemer (Halo 2 Design Lead) -
[color=white]“All through Halo 1 we were putting in hooks for Halo 2. Almost nothing in Halo 1 was random. I think a lot of people are going to play Halo 2 and then go back and play Halo 1, because they’ll see a lot of things they didn’t see before.”(p.222)[/color]

This quote was taken from EGM issue # 160. Some of you may remember this particular issue of EGM, because it had a huge 15 page Halo 2 article. Many regard this article to be the most accurate and informative article on Halo 2 to date, even more so than the original OXM Halo 2 article. Griesemer plants two ideas in the readers mind; those being, almost nothing in Halo 1 was random, and all throughout Halo 1 there are hooks pointing towards Halo 2. This is something I’ve been pondering on ever since I read that article back in November of 2002, and I would ask that you keep these thought in mind while reading this thread.

Many of us who’ve read First Strike have had a sneaky suspicion that Col. Ackerson is up to something BIG. Being a bit more specific, many people believe that he has started a Spartan type of program of his own. Quotes from the book such as, [color=white]"Something extraordinary had just been revealed - there was some kind of backup plan on par with the Spartan program, and Ackerson was behind it"(p.103 FS)[/color], or [color=white]"He had heard of Ackerson's alternative program to the Spartan-IIs"(p.105 FS)[/color] have been used as support for these accusations. No picture, info, nor interview, that I'm aware of, has been given on the subject of Ackerson’s secret project; however, I believe what we’ve been searching for has been lurking under our noses this whole time.

I’d first like to point out a theory I wrote awhile back titled The Most Conclusive Theory EVER Written. Many of you may remember it, seeing as how it was a sticky for some time. For those of you who don’t know of it, here is a run down of it’s contents. I basically tried to show that Ackerson knew of Halo before the Pillar of Autumn “blindly” jumped to it, and that he was using clones of the Spartans (MC) on a secret mission to Halo. There’s a LOT more to it than that, and if you’re interested, then click on the link provided. Back to the point, though. From what I remember, many seemed to have a problem with the idea of a cloned MC being sent to Halo, or there even being clones of the Spartans. The argument being, the original clones died off from the imperfections in the cloning process, and there is no proof to show that the cloning process was perfected to a point in which Ackerson could use clones of the Spartans in one of his own projects. I tried to show evidence that there were indeed clones of the Spartans through the S-III file, and Ackerson’s extreme interest in the cloning process; however, I forgot to point out one major detail, which was reminded to me in a conversation I had with DualWieldinFreak.

I’m sure most all of us have noticed what I’m about to say, but I think many of us placed it on the coffee table of our mind to examine later... don’t hit yourself when you read this. If you have the time, turn on your Xbox, place a copy of Halo in the disc tray, go to the multiplayer section, pick split screen, pick your profile, and then highlight the level Chiron TL34. Just stare at the screen for a moment. Do you see anything interesting? Here’s a hint, look at the description of the level. The description of the level Chiron TL34 is, [color=white]“Spartan CLONE Training Complex”[/color]. As Griesemer himself stated, almost nothing in Halo 1 is random, and after playing Halo 2 things in Halo 1 will start to become much clearer. I believe this may be one of those murky things in Halo 1 that will be expanded upon in Halo 2. According to the actual game Halo there is a training complex for cloned Spartans. There are clones of the Spartans running around somewhere in the Halo universe... I don’t think I can state that enough.


LINK to original thread.

-Eagle 117

P.S.
It's amazing seeing the amount of individuals who have joined in the last 3 weeks... welcome all;-)

  • 10.17.2004 9:37 PM PDT
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Posted By: Eagle117

P.S.
It's amazing seeing the amount of individuals who have joined in the last 3 weeks... welcome all;-)


Good for them, bad for us old theorists. :)

  • 10.17.2004 11:43 PM PDT
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Damn if ur theory is right about them being human than that totally kills the suspense of the game for me... I mean SOMEONE has to figure it out in the game, and since the Covenant worship forerunners, aren't they gonna like bow to us or something?

  • 10.18.2004 1:20 AM PDT
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That is one really comprehensive theory, and a really good one at that.
(In reference to Eagle 117's post)

[Edited on 10/18/2004 3:03:45 AM]

  • 10.18.2004 3:03 AM PDT
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Posted by:EliteAdmiral
It says that Forerunner are neither Jjaro (WHATEVER THAT IS)

Start here.

  • 10.18.2004 12:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Celenon
Good theory even with the many misspellings. Anyway, I can see if something like "the ancients" were introduced in the game but how would humans have gotten to Halo? I mean, we did all start out in the same place. Unless a species, identical to humans in every way but not of the species of man itself came to be then we gotta keep thinking.
There are many reasons why 343 picked a human over a Covanent elite. One reason I can think of is that humans are a lot less rash and spontanious than elites. We take the time to consider things while elites blow stuff impulsively. We would be a lot more easier to talk to and reason with, unlike the barbarious elites.

Humans don't blow stuff impulsively? We're not rash and spontaneous? Apparently you've never seen me in MP... ;)

  • 10.18.2004 12:30 PM PDT
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i'm kinda partial to EliteAdmiral's theory. check it out on the forum list :"Forerunner theories"

  • 10.18.2004 12:42 PM PDT
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Something that I am reminded about from Marathon, is that you are not considered entirely human. Durandal and Tycho often make references and talk about your character and things he is capable of as if humans aren't capable of doing it, and that you are something else. I might scrap up relevant quotes from http://marathon.story.org later if I'm not feeling lazy.

The reference I am trying to take from this I guess would be that either through the genetic engineering or the grafting of the armor has made MC more akin to the forerunners than to the humans, and is therefore recognizeable to GS as a reclaimer. This would also help a bit as to why out of all the humans he might pick you out to restart halo.

Another quote people grab on is the GS reference to human history as being our history. You would notice he says Human history with a question mark, which would seem to indicate maybe he doesn't know what humans are? And as far as a "record of 'Our' lost time" goes, who GS includes in the our is pure speculation. He could mean our as in the people that made him, or our as in the forerunners, or our as in himself and MC. This will probably become clear at a later date.

Another point to make about GS, is how sane is any sentient intelligence going to be after 100,000 years of isolation.

As a side note, to equate humans to being the forerunners would be to discount evolution. Also, I have not read the books. I'm sure some of what I wrote above has been written on or guessed at by others, but I'm a late joiner to these discussions and sifting back would take a lot of time, though I have done some.

Well, thats all for now.

  • 10.18.2004 10:34 PM PDT

How long is one yearly cycle on Halo;-)

-Eagle 117

  • 10.18.2004 10:47 PM PDT
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We don't know. There is a lot we don't know. But... even if a year there is 1/4 the time it is on earth, that is still 25,000 years. heh.

  • 10.18.2004 10:58 PM PDT
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And if you cared, here is the link to the cyborg not being human evidence for Marathon... though most people who played marathon have probably read it long ago. http://marathon.bungie.org/story/mjolnir.html

  • 10.18.2004 11:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Corltan
We don't know. There is a lot we don't know. But... even if a year there is 1/4 the time it is on earth, that is still 25,000 years. heh.


Yes, that's my point. We know that Humans have been on Earth for well over 25,000 years... at least that's what scientist have been telling us. If the halos were activated 25,000 years ago, then Humans would have never progressed, evolved, survived, etc:-)

-Eagle 117

[Edited on 10/18/2004 11:24:24 PM]

  • 10.18.2004 11:21 PM PDT
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Either way it had to have gone off a long time ago for life to progress here... Unless it turns out earth is in some kind of Halo free zone, heh.

But here is another twist on the Halo time being different... What if a year on halo is 4 or more times longer than a year here? heh.

  • 10.18.2004 11:30 PM PDT
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I guess the evolution point I was trying to make is that if Halo going off destroys all life, what chance is there that an organism would go through the same evolution twice and come out as the same being?

  • 10.18.2004 11:34 PM PDT
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ok why are you guys sayin crap that has been said for the past three weeks

  • 10.19.2004 11:29 AM PDT
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didn't you read the books? there were hundereds of planets with breathable atmosphere like the planets with human colonies. why does halo have to be different? another alien kind (the forerunners) could have lived on one of those planets and wanted to create it like their home planet.

  • 10.21.2004 3:59 PM PDT
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personally I dont giv e a -blam!- as long as I can disembowwel/hack them to pieces than to me the plot of Halo 2 hasn't changed and is as good as if not better than the first game. The only thing that p***ses me off is that they went ahead and made that stupid I love bees website it's so d*mn confusing and I'm not a smart person but when someone says it's all a big secret "fun" game for nerds and that they don't know whether it has anything to do with Halo 2 and I get sick of that bs hacked page crap and press stop on the key board and a picture of cortana on the dash of the pillar of autumn is left on the page it's pretty d*mn obvious what it's about. I don't want an arg game I wan't halo 2 screenshots even if they are of the same kind of pictures over and over they are more comforting than a jigsaw puzzle.

  • 10.22.2004 11:46 AM PDT

Map Forger FTW!

+ the 4runners created halo and that would mean or tech would be alot more advanced

  • 10.24.2004 10:54 AM PDT
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Hey i think that makes sense and it is something to think about because that kind of proof about like on halo and the environment was fit for humans seems like the forerunners are humans. it would be something cool to see a plot twist in halo 2 showing that the foreruners are humans.

  • 10.24.2004 2:30 PM PDT
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If halo has a library, then maybe it has to do with an eraser, the flood is a parasite, and halo was designed to study it, now if the flood gets lose all life is dead right, now back to the eraser part, If halo is fired everything dies, and you need to restart, (the library with genetic codes and dna) So if halo is designed to ressurect life and destroy it, who created it?, it can't be humans because we wouldn't want to destory ourselves, its the human way, Something else created halo, not us, simply because if we had why would the of flood existed? how was the flood created or come to exist. What if the flood are the forerunners? (highly implausible, but possible) The covies locked the flood in the ring right, and with no outside contact speices tend to evolve, the flood had adapted to live in the dark, (example, all the sensory organs, lack of eyes) and the spores, well i have no explanation, they may have been just a nother form of the flood that lies dormant, to preserve the species. Also the grunts refer to you as the devil, "Die devil" and ect. now this is a religious belief. and somehow this is implanted into their thought process. Now religion takes many years to form, and the covies only came into contact with us a few years ago (in halo, the game) and its plausible the forerunner somehow made the covies beleive we were a disgrace and had to be killed, now, if this were true the forerunner would be studying us? Starting a war that the covies would win, therefore leaving one species, halo would be fired and a new history would begin? this may only be blabbering but maybe we should stop talking and wait for the halo series to finish the story.
Sorry if this has been said

  • 10.24.2004 6:07 PM PDT
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Playing just the library pretty much proves that the humans are forerunners. Listen to what GS says. Some fo the quotes off of the top of my head:

"The other species seem quite persistent in their attempts to access restricted areas."
^Here GS refers to the Covenant as the other species, meaning that they don't belong there.

GS says something about the last catastrophic outbreak, and how he is glad to see that some of them survived to reproduce. He is talking to MC, saying that he wasn't sure there were any Humans left.

Other bits include:

GS's knowledge of MC's armor. He says that it is only a class 2 battle skin, and this kind of work requires at least a class 12.

GS says that he brought very ineffective weapons to combat the flood, despite the containment protocol. GS is assuming here that MC KNEW what containment protocol was.

I'm sure there are others. If you guys are curious, just listen to guilty spark, he is full of information.

This could also lend information to why the Covenant want to wipe us out, seeing as how we are an affront to the Gods. If they worship the forerunners and know that we are descendants of them, then they are probably mad that we were blessed with all of the advanced technology and we have no grasp of it. They think that we are ignoring our ancestry, and that looks to them like blasphemy.

This is my theory; flame it or follow it, it's up to you.

  • 10.24.2004 6:42 PM PDT