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Subject: Halo is not a system hog

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

i think there is a simple answer to your complaining, none of your graphics cards are good at directx9 and halo is a directx 9 enigine. and done complain about it running bad when you only have 256 megs of ram. windows alone runs like crap and that low low low amount. i can run it at 1600x1200 just fine and it's smooth, very smooth, and my graphics system is more than 1.5 years old.

  • 08.06.2006 12:30 AM PDT

Posted by: Ryukage
What? Play a game? FOR FUN???
This concept of fun confuses and infuriates me!

Posted by: Master Kim
Exactly. So Gearbox did a poor job porting Halo to PC.


No way! I never would have guessed! [/sarcasm]

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Posted by: Five Aces
Characters fly awsome frome explosions.


actually characters should fly in seperate little bits from explosions

  • 08.06.2006 3:55 AM PDT
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This forum is much better than that spam-fest Halo 3 forum.
Agreed.

I still think Gearbox could have done a better job on Halo. Half-Life 2 is visually superior to Halo and yet it can run much better than Halo PC. Not to mention HL2's AI is much smarter.

(Btw, yes, Halo's physics take alot to process, I could understand that, but they aren't realistic. Isn't it wierd you can fire a Scorpion tank's cannon before you're even in the cockpit when you hit the E button.)

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Posted by: Master Kim
(Btw, yes, Halo's physics take alot to process, I could understand that, but they aren't realistic. Isn't it wierd you can fire a Scorpion tank's cannon before you're even in the cockpit when you hit the E button.)

O_o, actually, Halo's physics dont take much at all to process. It's simply spherical masses going through basic kinematic equations. Thats why you can do some of the crazy stunting compared to what you cant do in Halo 2.

And no, it's not wierd that you can fire the gun before you're in the cockpit. Why? It's a game and if you had to wait for the animation to cycle through and then go through the appropriate stuff to start the tank up, no one would use it because it takes soo long in a fast paced game.

http://www.computernova.com/Release/3dsmax/PhysicsImporter/wh _physics.jpg
http://www.computernova.com/Release/3dsmax/PhysicsImporter/sc _physics.jpg

edit:bleh, I hate these boards. But that is what the game works with when it calculates the physics of the objects in the game.

[Edited on 8/6/2006]

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Wow, I -blam!- you guys in the -blam!- with ammounts of lag, i mean, much, much more, with my god foresaken emachines that they made with the excess crap they found in their asses, and my 10GB memory left, it -blam!- sucks.

  • 08.06.2006 9:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Master Kim
(Btw, yes, Halo's physics take alot to process, I could understand that, but they aren't realistic. Isn't it wierd you can fire a Scorpion tank's cannon before you're even in the cockpit when you hit the E button.)


That has nothing to do with physics. Please stop saying ignorant things. It hurts my head when people like you try to administer facts when you are clueless.

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Posted by: Shishka

That has nothing to do with physics. Please stop saying ignorant things. It hurts my head when people like you try to administer facts when you are clueless.


He hurts my head too. I've been trying to keep him from continuing to, but it's not working :(.

*alt+tab's back into Max*

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well said

  • 08.06.2006 9:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggwilv

*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: Master Kim
(Btw, yes, Halo's physics take alot to process, I could understand that, but they aren't realistic. Isn't it wierd you can fire a Scorpion tank's cannon before you're even in the cockpit when you hit the E button.)


That has nothing to do with physics. Please stop saying ignorant things. It hurts my head when people like you try to administer facts when you are clueless.


it's about time someone said something before his e-ego grew to unmanageable proportions.

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We are too late staticx, he is using the word noob in nearly every sentance, we've lost him. So, who wants to replace Kim as the Asian Pwner Supreme?

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LOL!

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No offence Master Kim..but he's right. Your go the most well known ego on the borads.
Posted by: staticx576
Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: Master Kim
(Btw, yes, Halo's physics take alot to process, I could understand that, but they aren't realistic. Isn't it wierd you can fire a Scorpion tank's cannon before you're even in the cockpit when you hit the E button.)


That has nothing to do with physics. Please stop saying ignorant things. It hurts my head when people like you try to administer facts when you are clueless.


it's about time someone said something before his e-ego grew to unmanageable proportions.


No offene Master Kim but he's right. You have like the most well known ego on the boards.

[Edited on 8/6/2006]

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Posted by: staticx576
Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: Master Kim
(Btw, yes, Halo's physics take alot to process, I could understand that, but they aren't realistic. Isn't it wierd you can fire a Scorpion tank's cannon before you're even in the cockpit when you hit the E button.)


That has nothing to do with physics. Please stop saying ignorant things. It hurts my head when people like you try to administer facts when you are clueless.


it's about time someone said something before his e-ego grew to unmanageable proportions.
Shishka is viewed as a tyrant, a dictator if you will. I don't think he minds being viewed as such, either. He just does what Achronos tells him to do, and gives no second chances.

He has blacklisted some of my Friends, and every time they came crying to me, telling me how much of an ass He is, trying to get me to dislike Him. Funny thing is, They all deserved it! I have never given Shishka or any other Moderator for that matter a reason to punish me, so I fear Them not.

Keep it up, Shishka.

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You keep capitalising "he," do you view him as your god or something? If so, stay away from me.

I think that the whole thing is that now people expect some form of realisic physics in games, and this whole discussion has turned around how bad the physics are, seeing as we have been suddenly pulled away from the enchantments of Havok and other physics simulaters.

By the way Shiska, it hurts my head as well, I am always surrounded by ignorant people, doing stupid things like JUMPER CABLING THE LIGHT IN MY ROOM, but hey, I LOVE being more aware of what is going on and being smarter than them, it has advantages.

Edit: All but one "he" is capitalised.

[Edited on 8/6/2006]

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Posted by: ROBO LEADER
You keep capitalising "he," do you view him as your god or something? If so, stay away from me.

I think that the whole thing is that now people expect some form of realisic physics in games, and this whole discussion has turned around how bad the physics are, seeing as we have been suddenly pulled away from the enchantments of Havok and other physics simulaters.

By the way Shiska, it hurts my head as well, I am always surrounded by ignorant people, doing stupid things like JUMPER CABLING THE LIGHT IN MY ROOM, but hey, I LOVE being more aware of what is going on and being smarter than them, it has advantages.

Edit: All but one "he" is capitalised.

I'm not saying the physics are acurate to real life, all i'm saying is that the physics play a major role. Just look what it's like when your driving a hog. Lost of physis there. Or when you hit someone with the but of your wepon right in the sweet spot.

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We left before you came.

Posted by: The Lone Heretic
Posted by: staticx576
Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: Master Kim
(Btw, yes, Halo's physics take alot to process, I could understand that, but they aren't realistic. Isn't it wierd you can fire a Scorpion tank's cannon before you're even in the cockpit when you hit the E button.)


That has nothing to do with physics. Please stop saying ignorant things. It hurts my head when people like you try to administer facts when you are clueless.


it's about time someone said something before his e-ego grew to unmanageable proportions.
Shishka is viewed as a tyrant, a dictator if you will. I don't think he minds being viewed as such, either. He just does what Achronos tells him to do, and gives no second chances.

He has blacklisted some of my Friends, and every time they came crying to me, telling me how much of an ass He is, trying to get me to dislike Him. Funny thing is, They all deserved it! I have never given Shishka or any other Moderator for that matter a reason to punish me, so I fear Them not.

Keep it up, Shishka.



Just because he blacklists people doesn't give anyone any reason to fear him. I don't fear any of the ninjas or moderators.

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Posted by: Five Aces
Just look what it's like when your driving a hog. Lost of physis there. Or when you hit someone with the but of your wepon right in the sweet spot.


When there is interaction with a hog, yes physics are in play, but no there is no harm to gameplay. Simply adding a warthog to a map does not hinder preformance at all. Meleeing someone does not have anything to do with physics or preformance... Now if an explosive interacts with that dead body, then that is the physics working.



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Looking at that, you can see what physics are involved with better.

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Posted by: ROBO LEADER
You keep capitalising "he," do you view him as your god or something? If so, stay away from me.

I think that the whole thing is that now people expect some form of realisic physics in games, and this whole discussion has turned around how bad the physics are, seeing as we have been suddenly pulled away from the enchantments of Havok and other physics simulaters.

By the way Shiska, it hurts my head as well, I am always surrounded by ignorant people, doing stupid things like JUMPER CABLING THE LIGHT IN MY ROOM, but hey, I LOVE being more aware of what is going on and being smarter than them, it has advantages.

Edit: All but one "he" is capitalised.
Yes, I am a fan of Shishka. And?

I like to keep my grammar in the best state possible. I had not said Shishka's name in that paragraph and decided to replace it with "He." Same thing with "Friends," you do not know their names so their name is "Friends." Moving on.....

I knew Halo's physics wre simple, but not that simple. For god's sake the thing is just a buch of balls (minds of the gutter, you rascals [/Recon Number 54] ). I don't know, I am not a programmer, I don't know what the hell I am talking about. Anyway, are the 'simple' physics to blame for the "Hog Launching?" I use a few mods and I can freeze time with them, making it possible for fifty rockets and twenty plasma grenades to lauch a Worthog so high it would hit the 'ceiling' and go so far out into the 'Sea' that I couldn't go out and get it without amplified rocket jumping. This is on the Silent Cartographer, by the way.

[Edited on 8/7/2006]

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Posted by: The Lone Heretic
I knew Halo's physics wre simple, but not that simple. For god's sake the thing is just a buch of balls (minds of the gutter, you rascals [/Recon Number 54] ). I don't know, I am not a programmer, I don't know what the hell I am talking about. Anyway, are the 'simple' physics to blame for the "Hog Launching?" I use a few mods and I can freeze time with them, making it possible for fifty rockets and twenty plasma grenades to lauch a Worthog so high it would hit the 'ceiling' and go so far out into the 'Sea' that I couldn't go out and get it without amplified rocket jumping. This is on the Silent Cartographer, by the way.


Yeah, that's the reason things like that can happen. It's what made the game fun for random play. I was quite dissapointed when I heard that bungie bought a havok liscense for Halo 2.

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Who made havok?

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  • 08.07.2006 8:26 PM PDT

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I get the feeling you don't think the Havok engine will be that good for modding.

Just curious are all those perameters in that tag explained somewhere? That is a crapload of variables for one item. Now I can understand how the physics get so good in these games.

[Edited on 8/7/2006]

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I think I get it, things like string wing right have to do with the physical properties of that particular part like wieght, right?

  • 08.07.2006 9:58 PM PDT

it raises my CPU to 22%, not a system hog on my baby, tho its like a real fast comp, so that might have something to do with it

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