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An Elite is an awesome multiplayer(MP) player. Not a big guy that says "wort wort wort."

I've been browsing the forums and the far out tactics people come up are driving me crazy. So, I decided to make my own post (or maybe 30 of them) dishing out what I know. If you still play campaign, stop reading. This is a LAN muliplayer tactics conversation, and NO, playing lots of campaign doesn't make you good at multiplayer. 1 hour LAN = 20 hours campaign easily. I've played at about 200 LANs in the last two years, so yeah, I'm qualified. I forgot to say that this is a TEAM based discussion only. Team MP > FFA MP > Coop > Campaign :) Finally, since this is ELITE, this stuff doesn't apply to BG or SW, but I know those maps, of course. I used to play them all the time too.

I really don't know where to start... Oh Yeah!

Basics

Pistol is the best weapon in the game. Period.
Sniper is better :)

I know that is contradicting. For most people reading this, use the pistol, but practice with the sniper rifle. 99% of the time a pistol will beat a sniper rifle. Only when you get l33ts together is the sniper the all around best weapon in MP.

Human Grenade is even better, but it has an INCREDIBLE learning curve. That one just takes time and that's it. Sorry, but human nades define the player and landing a nade on an elevated platform's lip from below just takes months, maybe even a year. Again sorry.

Obviously, shotguns and definitly rocket launchers have their uses. Plasma weapons to some extent. AR's are useless for elites. (Well not completely useless, but I won't go into that unless someone asks) I might use a plasma nade once every 200 lives(about 20 games) so they are crap. Don't touch the needler or I will hurt you.

Timing
Timing is using a watch or mental clock to figure out when the good stuff respawns. (i.e. Rockets, camo, over shield, etc.) Ever map is different! But generally camo comes back every 1 minute, over shield ever 1, and rockets every 2. REMEMBER, every map is different.

Talk it up!
This one can take some serious time. Get your teamates together and get a name for EVERYTHING in the levels you play. Name the area that the rockets sit - ROCKETS! Duh. Same for every other gun. Name bases by their color. "He's on top of blue base." Some places are tougher. I guess I will give an example. I will give you our names for the chill out rooms and places.

Shotguns, Rocket Room, Front Room/Main Room, Camo, Dark Hallway, Overshield, Above Overshield, Ramp, Window, Top Window, Top Teleporter, Dark Hallway Teleporter. We also improvise to be specific. "He is on the upper rocket platform."

Once your team is on the smae page when it comes to room names, use it! How? Call em out dog. This is an important step. Team games are NOT about individual heroics. Every time you see an enemy, call out their location IMMEDIATLY. That way your teammates can help. And never never never accuse a teammate of kill stealling. Teammates CAN'T kill steal. It's not possible. They can only help your team win that much faster.

Another way of talking is calling em out, mostly for CTF with 5 or 10 sec respawn. Calling em out involves keeping track of how many enemies are dead. If four of them are "out" and at least one of you are "in" then you better have their flag and be running it back to base, or spawn killing.

Man, I am so tired. I am sure this is so zig zaggy the way I wrote it. Please, if anyone has questions I will field them. I have an incredible amount to say and I could write an entire essay on CTF HH alone!

  • 10.11.2004 11:59 PM PDT
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nice stuff, i only use the terms and name for bigger maps like BG, and I naver play SW, i think that one of the worst maps in the game. Like in Chillout, it is so small so once u see someone and they kill u, they will be in the next room by the time the other person gets there, it is only good for certen times. But overall its good, and i love the pistol way better than the snipper, i think the sniper is for people who dont like to fight and just sit around, it does come in handy though.

  • 10.12.2004 6:12 AM PDT
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i am the master of "Movingtargetology"

  • 10.12.2004 6:27 AM PDT
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Pistol and Bazooka are best
rest all -blam!-.
moving targets are easly.!

  • 10.12.2004 8:03 AM PDT
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Until a sniper takes a bead on you from the other side of the map..

  • 10.12.2004 8:34 AM PDT
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.... and u have to pick up a SR of your own , just to remember u don't know how to use it.

  • 10.12.2004 12:55 PM PDT
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One of my favorite "tricks" if you can call it that is to bounce a nade
on the corners of walls, (where the floor meets the wall) and make
it explode faster. I swear my kill per game average on Derelict went
up by at least 5 when I learned that. If fun to watch your buddy's face
when he's walking around a corner, and then. . . BOOM!

Also, can anyone point out a vid to me that shows exactly how
you bounce the SR to yourself with a nade on Hang 'Em? I've looked
everywhere but can't turn one up.

Also, if you want to see some cool Halo MP vids, search for
Maverick on HBO. The gtc website has some cool mav vids too.
(although it hasn't been updated in forever)

EDIT: I was just playing Halo, and I remembered seeing Zyos do
this weird thing where he would move his reticle in a tight circle,
then bring it back to the exact spot. I tried doing this and realized
it wasn't as easy as it seemed. I played a few some solo MP
games against two A.I. opponents in "stationary mode" simply
running around doing TSKs as fast as I could while strafing and
doing the circle thingie. After I felt like my speed had improved
some, I played some Legendary PoA, and cleared the first room
without losing a Marine or any health. I got through about 20% of
the level only losing one health bar, until a Marine tossed
a grenade at my feet. =/
Anyway, the excersise seemed to work, so if you're not already
a Halo MP God, you might want to try it.

[Edited on 10/12/2004 5:09:59 PM]

  • 10.12.2004 4:08 PM PDT
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Finally! Someone asks a question. Yes, I do know everything and can talk for hours. Ok maybe not... Bouncing a sniper rifle in a team slayer game at Hang em is a valuable tool though. First off, I could just write another huge post about bouncing weapons, but I won't. Let me just say if you work hard enough, you can make up YOUR OWN bounce tricks. There are litterally millions to be made up by people, so I encourage everyone to make up their own personal trick RIGHT NOW. I made these up myself. I can get the sniper rifle from the back corners of both bases. First I will explain blue base.

1. Get all the way in the corner behind Blue base. Now you have your feet set exaclty as needed.
2. Aiming. This might seem complicated, but bear with me. Print this out and boot up halo. You will see what I am talking about.

See the two horizontal lines of circular lights? You will be using the top ones for aiming. Using the Pistol (NOT ZOOMED) aim between the 2nd and 3rd lights so the right side of the retical is touching the left side of the second light and vica verca. Now, aim STRAIGHT up until the bottom right of the rectical is forming a tangent with the outline of the sky and ceiling. Do you know what a tangent is? Basically, for those that don't know, it is when the retical is just "kissing" the line. Just touching.

3. Throw that nade! (Frag of course)
4. You will see a thing flying over your head! It's the sniper rifle! After you get comfortable with it and know you can get it to fly in the same pattern everytime, you will be able to run to a location and jump and catch it. For me it is to the left along the wall, but you might be aiming a little differently than me. Oh yeah, never use the scope in this method.
5. Good Luck!!!

I don't feel like writing up the other one cuz it is INSANELY complecated to write and much harder for less experianced people. It actually might be easier to make up your own. BUT, if you really want me to explain it I will try. Just ask.

  • 10.12.2004 6:59 PM PDT
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Thanks, I'll go and try it right now. I'm basically a Halo MP newb
(I hope the ninjas don't get me for the "bad word") because I've
only played a few matches on Xbox. I would play over XBC but
my computer is in a terrible location in the house, (I have no say
in the matter) and none of my friends are regular Halo players.

All in all I'm trying to do all I can to improve however I can for
Halo 2's release so I won't be embarassed by some of you
guys on XBL. =)

  • 10.12.2004 7:44 PM PDT
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I think some people take mp training too seriously, man, i learnt a lot (yeah including that super-difficult technique of tossing grenades on elevated platforms, lol, cmon its not that dificult) only playing for fun, you dont need to take it that serious.

And by the way, sp and mp are completly different worlds, don´t say mp is more important than campaign to learn tactics, each one has its own tactics.

  • 10.12.2004 10:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: eMCee
One of my favorite "tricks" if you can call it that is to bounce a nade
on the corners of walls, (where the floor meets the wall) and make
it explode faster. I swear my kill per game average on Derelict went
up by at least 5 when I learned that. If fun to watch your buddy's face
when he's walking around a corner, and then. . . BOOM!

Also, can anyone point out a vid to me that shows exactly how
you bounce the SR to yourself with a nade on Hang 'Em? I've looked
everywhere but can't turn one up.

Also, if you want to see some cool Halo MP vids, search for
Maverick on HBO. The gtc website has some cool mav vids too.
(although it hasn't been updated in forever)

EDIT: I was just playing Halo, and I remembered seeing Zyos do
this weird thing where he would move his reticle in a tight circle,
then bring it back to the exact spot. I tried doing this and realized
it wasn't as easy as it seemed. I played a few some solo MP
games against two A.I. opponents in "stationary mode" simply
running around doing TSKs as fast as I could while strafing and
doing the circle thingie. After I felt like my speed had improved
some, I played some Legendary PoA, and cleared the first room
without losing a Marine or any health. I got through about 20% of
the level only losing one health bar, until a Marine tossed
a grenade at my feet. =/
Anyway, the excersise seemed to work, so if you're not already
a Halo MP God, you might want to try it.


I'm new to multiplayer, what is a "TSK"?

Hopefully I won't be TOTALLY humiliated on XBL. At least, not forever...;)

  • 10.12.2004 11:47 PM PDT
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what's up guys i play halo practically every day, it's part of my life, anyway one of my favorite elite tricks is when you take someones shield down so they take cover in a room, well just throw one plasma and throw another in front of it and u got yourself a behind the wall plasma explosion, takes awile to get them down but like all good tricks once they're down they're fun. but how do u do that one w/ a hog where u go flyin 400 feet in the air just by gettin out of it

  • 10.12.2004 11:58 PM PDT
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ok, first off yes the pistol is the best weapon in halo (to an extent). and the sniper rifle is also pritty good. but saying that the frag grenade has an INCREDIBLE learning curve... you have to be joking. once you work out the basic pyshics for throwing at that point you become an expert. it dosnt take months of training.... and then saying that shotguns and rocketlaunchers have their uses... the shotgun can bassically kill someone at very close quarters. and the rocket launcher (in the right hands) is ideal for killing at short distances. and the AR is not intirly usless. if you know how to use it properly. short controled burst and fairly close range to the head, good for quick takedowns. and im sure everyone knows how to talk to their team mates. unless they are a total moron.

  • 10.13.2004 2:49 AM PDT
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Ocelot, please don't act like you know anything. Please. First off, I can prove you aren't even close to being as good as me by pointing out one major flaw. When speaking about the AR you say "to the head." Um, dude, the pistol, sniper rifle and plasma rifle are the only guns that can do headshots. I mean they are the only ones that have different math when you get hit in the head. So um, that means you aren't an elite. I agree with you that shotgun and rockets have uses. I said that. And yes, grenade throwning DOES have an incredible learning curve. You have no idea how good people can get with grenades until you play against someone awesome. Maybe download some old STK and TDT movies and you will see. Better yet, get on XBC and play against some leets. You wont get 10 kills.

As for the AR, I might as well point out now what I consider the only use for it. When using a weapon like sniper rifle and rocket launcher and you have cloak, you lose a lot of cloak when firing. It also takes an eternity to become fully invisable again. But, if you switch to the AR after firing you will go invis much faster. But close range long range it doesn't matter. The pistol 3 shots people and the AR can't match it.

  • 10.13.2004 9:18 AM PDT
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halo guru dude, ocelot was only sayin that w/ all weapons damage is more severe to the head he's right, and your right about the guns that do headshots, also halogameguru your very correct about the grenade throwin i've played halo for years practilally every day, and if i think your as good as i think u are i'd love to challenge u on connect

  • 10.13.2004 10:54 AM PDT

bah

If you can become incredibly precise in your aiming, you can 2-shot kill someone un-zoomed with the sniper rifle at 140 meters. It's hard when you have your sensitivity jacked up over 5, but it is possible. I value the sniper above all else since it has that one-hit instant kill potential at any range, but close-up sniping while zoomed is stupid since you can’t turn fast enough. So try to get used to shooting without zooming in at close range. Also, I find that at any range, I snipe more effectively in 2x zoom mode. I can’t quite figure out why this is, but I think it’s because it allows me to see more of the field and also move my reticule quicker and thus respond to enemy movements.

As for ‘nades, the frag grenade is an amazing tool, and I’m sorry to say I’ve never been able to quite master it. I stopped using them on Legendary due to the ease of it, and from there I started going down hill. You know you’re good with grenades when you can peg someone who’s more than 50 meters away first try. You know you’re great when you can peg someone at 100 first try. My friend has the magic grenade touch in that his frags don’t bounce at all. They land and explode within half a second. I’ve never quite been able to figure out how that it is possible, they’re on a timer, so they shouldn’t explode that quickly. He just throws them in a way that they don’t bounce.

And don’t say plasma grenades are crap. Pegging someone is very difficult, but it’s a guaranteed death if you do. They’re only good for stealth though. If they know where you are, pegging them gives them more time to kill you, so go with the frags, which may actually explode in time.

The pistol owns all levels. I’d take it over a shotgun anytime. You can get off 3 shots before the other guy gets off 2, so you should be good.

And I do believe the shotgun does more damage to the head. I did a bunch of testing once, and I believe that was one of my conclusions.

[Edited on 10/13/2004 11:28:05 AM]

  • 10.13.2004 11:27 AM PDT
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This is for eMCee

http://www.halotv.net/html/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_o p=viewlink&cid=1&min=110&orderby=titleA&show= 10

This has one, I am almost sure of. It's either the Tactics 101 video or one of the Stivi & Josie movies

  • 10.13.2004 11:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: The Rip Saw
Also, I find that at any range, I snipe more effectively in 2x zoom mode. I can’t quite figure out why this is, but I think it’s because it allows me to see more of the field and also move my reticule quicker and thus respond to enemy movements.

I find that to be very true. I play Halo PC a lot, and I've found that 2x is
the best as long as your target isn't too far. (for me at least) I think that
may also be why it's been bumped to 5x and 10x for Halo deuce. (If
that's still the case.)

And thanks for the link GucciOvaries.

  • 10.13.2004 11:56 AM PDT
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favorite tatic of mine: i play sometimes against my cousins who are wusses. they run away from me whenever they spawn becuase ill have a sg or an ar. after days of this happining i made nades an effective tool in stopping them. throw one behind a coward and then run in and melee/shoot/hop on head and melee. i did this while first playing halo (now im the ROXOR!!!!!!11!!11!)

  • 10.13.2004 12:18 PM PDT
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Auto Assist my friends. The reason we all seem so good at Halo is Auto Assist. Halo "pulls" your aimer toward bad guys. The ONLY time it is turned off is when BOTH control sticks aren't moving AT ALL. The only exeption to this is the Sniper Rifle. To keep it from being the god gun Bungie turned off auto assist when you aren't zoomed in :) That way you can't run around using like a pistol. Wanna check how "bad" we are without Auto Assist? Get a team game going with a friend and get in an extra guy. Then you and your friend be on the same team and let the non existant guy be on the other team. Now try to have a pistol duel with each other. Auto Assist will be off and you WILL SUCK. If you are both moving and juking and dodging, it might be hard for some to complete a kill with one clip! So this means two things. Get that sniper in some zoom whenever possible and always be moving or aiming. Keep that auto assist on! :)

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Oh and to the guy who wants to challenge me in XBC, what is your tag? It sounds like it could be some fun.

I forgot to say: Can anyone prove to me that any gun besides the sniper, pistol, and plasma rifle does more damage to the head than other parts of the body? If you can I would like to know. And props in advance to anyone that does. I've done conflicting tests on numerous occasions with the shotgun and AR, but recently I did some tests systematically and it turned out they don't do more damage to the head. BUT, like I said, I might be wrong.

[Edited on 10/13/2004 12:30:18 PM]

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what do you mean, doing campaign doesnt improve you on MP, it made me much better, because you better faster reaction times, i always play a campaign on heroic before a MP game! its warms me up. so it does work.

and speaking of Elites, lol, i watch the AI of the aliens in Campaign of Legendary and see how they use their weapons, that how ive become so good with the plasma rifle, and now im starting to kick with the needler, its great!

but you have got some good tactics though.

  • 10.13.2004 12:55 PM PDT
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Sorry if I seem defensive Rat Nukem, but you seem to be attacking my views. Here is my rebuttal...

You use the needler.

Wow! That was an easy win. Cool. Let's do it again sometime!

Man I am a freaking jerk. I focus completely on your first statement and forget you complement me at the end. Please, take my previous statement as healthy friendly banter. Let's just agree to disagree on this one.

After reviewing your post, maybe I agree a little more. Yes, it is good for warming up, but so is loading up split screen and shooting guys that aren't there. In fact, I prefer the latter. But I will NEVER agree with your needler statement. Wow... but plasma rifle is a weapon of leet status. Very very much if used right. Cough.. Ogres.. Cough..

[Edited on 10/13/2004 8:18:04 PM]

  • 10.13.2004 8:13 PM PDT
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its simple
control the map = win
control power ups, best weapons, high ground, keep moving, know the map and its spawn points. u do all that u win, unless u just cant play worth a -blam!-

  • 10.14.2004 2:35 AM PDT
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Sure sure. I agree with that, but the point of this thread is "how." How do you establish control? How do you keep the best weapons? It's easy to know this stuff if you've played a lot of people a lot of times in a lot of places, but for the less fortunate, we need to explain to them how. But you bring up a good point about knowing spawn points. Memorizing spawn points for CTF is pretty easy, but memorizing spawn points for TS can take more time. I haven't memorized all of them yet. Also, while on the topic of spawning, people should take advantage of "fuzzy math" in CTF games by FORCING the other team to spawn where they don't want to spawn. A HUGE example would be CTF at Prisoner. That is a blantantly obvious example of forced spawning. For those that don't know, in a 4v4 CTF game at Prisoner, get one of your teammates to STAY in your base and another person to STAY in their base. If you do that you have already won the game (Unless you are really really bad). Why have you already won? Having people on the top of both bases is a dual advantage. One, your team will spawn up top. Two, the other team will spawn at the bottom of the level. AND DON'T GO DOWN THERE! God, if I see another newb jump down in a CTF Prisoner to get a freaking kill... hold me back.

Oh yeah. If you haven't figured it out yet, the two guys in the bases should shoot guys (duh) but if they get hit even once they should duck back and stay alive (that is the #1 job). Also the guy in the enemy base should be THROWING the flag out of the base (duh). Figure out how to throw the flag.

  • 10.14.2004 7:16 AM PDT

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