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Subject: Please, for the love of god, adjustable FOV!!
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Posted by: Chewy Gumball


If you don't like moving the mouse so much, go play something else. I have no problem with FOV in halo, and I never feel that I could have prevented an attack if my fov had been bigger. Changeing resolution and changing fov are very different. resolution only changes the amount of pixels shown, not the size of the showable environment. FOV changes would affect the scale, and perspective of everything in the world. The game was made for its current fov, and changing it would cause major problems.

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Having the option to change the FOV will make it unbalenced. A person with a high fov can see more than a person with a lower one. If they include changeable fov options, they are forcing people to play at the highest possible or they will have no chance of winning.


Is it just me, or do these two posts of yours seem to contradict themselves?

I have a widescreen moniter, and so I had to find an FOV mod for Halopc so that it would look normal. I think that bungie would have to implement some sort of FOV change in order to keep the game looking correct at resolutions up to 1920x1200 (which it has been said to support).

[Edited on 8/25/2006]

  • 08.25.2006 2:28 PM PDT
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I think the last two posts hit it on the nose. I don't think FOV will make the game unbalanced at all, and claiming that seems to be more of an excuse than a solid reason.

Furthermore, the point some of us are trying to make is that while some people feel comfortable with an FOV of 70, others feel more comfortable (and therefore get less frustrated with the game and enjoy themselves more) at a higher FOV setting. I personally feel comfortable with an FOV set either at 90 or 100. More than anything, asking for an adjustable FOV will help to balance the game out more for those of us who are used to higher degrees of visual angle instead of limiting us to an often times frustrating 70 degrees.

And, at a more basic level, this will also cater to those that use widescreen monitors and want the image to fit the screen. Seeing as widescreen monitors could become the standard in the future, anticipating this with an adjustable FOV would simply be smart product design, lending the PC game the potential for greater longevity.

Again, we are just asking for the option to do this. We don't expect everyone to use it or to like it. It would just be really cool if it was available. :)

  • 08.25.2006 2:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gemini
Is it just me, or do these two posts of yours seem to contradict themselves?


...um...sorta just you, I believe. I didn't find anything contradictive in those two posts...

  • 08.25.2006 2:40 PM PDT
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He's referring to the statements in the first post about how a bigger FOV never helped him prevent an attack as compared with the statement of how players with bigger FOV's will have the upper hand and everyone will be forced to play at the highest possible FOV, which basically assumes that players with a bigger FOV will have an advantage over players with a smaller FOV.




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  • 08.25.2006 2:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Ryukage
What? Play a game? FOR FUN???
This concept of fun confuses and infuriates me!

Posted by: RaoulOD
Elmo has a really solid point - an improved FOV would be a VERY nice thing, and would be an option that many PC gamers would use, seeing as it is an option you can change in the console of practically every PC game on the market (the entire Quake series, DOOM 3, Unreal Tournament series, Far Cry, Prey, FEAR, Half-Life series... need I go on?).

The restricted FOV was one of the reasons I stopped playing Halo PC for the simple fact that I know I was not able to see everything that was going on in my environment, leading to a more frantic sweeping behavior in my looking patterns. This, naturally, resulted in frustration over attacks that I could not prevent simply because I could not get a reliable assesment of what was in my environment at any given moment.

An improved FOV will help create better player awareness of the environment and will help ease a lot of frustration many of us PC gamer fans have felt with the series for a while. Remember - we are simply asking for the option to improve the FOV... nothing more. It would not be difficult to implement, should not cause any problems with the 3D models, and would no more change the game than the option to improve the resolution from 1024X768 to 1280X1084.

So, again, I vouch for Elmo's simple and reasonable request - Bungie, the option would be very nice, and a lot of us PC-gamer types would really appreciate it if you would consider it. Thank you.


Explain "a lot of us PC-gamer types". I have no problem whatsoever with the FOV. In fact, I doubt that more than 5-10% of the PC gamers total would -blam!- about the FOV. The world aint gonna stop for you, just because you can't see the action all around you.

  • 08.25.2006 2:49 PM PDT

If I was playing Halo at 1900x1200 with an FOV with 100 degrees. I'd get a headache, too much action for me.

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Replies along the lines of "If you don't like it, play something else" and "I don't have a problem with the FOV, therefore nobody else should" aren't useful. You could say that about anything. Again, all we're wanting is a basic configuration option that is available on pretty much every other PC FPS known to man. Many people quit Halo for the PC because of the FOV (among other things, like lag), and the FOV is listed as one of the biggest complaints with the Halo series among PC gamers. If you don't see a problem with it, good for you. But you aren't the only person in the world.

  • 08.25.2006 2:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: OmniosSpartan
Posted by: Chewy Gumball
Having the option to change the FOV will make it unbalenced. A person with a high fov can see more than a person with a lower one. If they include changeable fov options, they are forcing people to play at the highest possible or they will have no chance of winning.


its not unbalanced if your tired of getting killed out of your FOV you'll turn it up. common sense much?


Then why bother allowing the option to change the FOV in the first place if "everyone's" gonna turn it up?

And if that's the case, why bother tweaking the FOV in the frist place?

As for Elmo's comment, I've been around and about the Maw for quite a while, and have seen next to no posts complaining about Halo's FOV except on this thread.

EDIT: And because I'm pretty sure your next comment may be something along the lines of "the forum not reflecting the actual beliefs of the PC population," well, it does. Take a look around and you'll see that forums are usually mini-worlds of the real PC base.

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  • 08.25.2006 2:56 PM PDT
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*All of the above is the opinion of the user: WartHogRacerman3. Complaints can be forwarded to his secretary.

I own an HDTV [12/30/07]

FOV? I don't see a diffrence....

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  • 08.25.2006 3:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: me15ter
Then why bother allowing the option to change the FOV in the first place if "everyone's" gonna turn it up?

And if that's the case, why bother tweaking the FOV in the frist place?


Exactly my point. I have no problem with changing the FOV, aslong as its a universal desicion made internaly with testing.

  • 08.25.2006 3:43 PM PDT
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Conman - there's no reason to get nasty. We're just making a suggestion, and we don't mean any harm or insult to anyone. It's all about the options, baby. Just let it ride. :)

As for PC gamer types - I mean those of us who prefer to play PC games over console games, and are interested in the PC version of Halo 2.

Finally, Gumball - that's just it, we don't want a "universal decision to change the FOV". We want the option to individually customize it to the settings we're comfortable with. Not everyone will ramp it up to the highest setting - that's a slippery slope argument. Personally, I will just set it at 100, because that's the FOV that works for me.

As I may have said already, the beauty of PC games is that you have a lot more freedom to tinker about with it to get it to run exactly the way you want it to than you do with console games. That's why I think PC games are so much fun. I would have a hard time enjoying a PC game that had a very low FOV setting that didn't allow me to change it, as every other PC game out there does allow me to change it to exactly what I am comfortable with. This is considered something to be a standard feature in PC games, and is something a lot of PC gamers will not be happy about. So, we are just trying to put in a polite request. That's it. :)

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  • 08.25.2006 5:58 PM PDT

Options make games better. Customizability makes users happier. If Bungie has the chance to add a simple option, they should. I doubt they will change the FOV or make it a setting, the same as destructable vehicles, but the requests themselves should not be attacked as invalid simply because you, yourself do not want them as much as some.

Being hostile to adding a setting is being hostile to making a game more fun for someone without making it any different to yourself. Cheer up, folks!

  • 08.25.2006 6:01 PM PDT
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eastbeast - EXACTLY! That's precisely what I've been trying to get at! :)

  • 08.25.2006 6:04 PM PDT
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Then why bother allowing the option to change the FOV in the first place if "everyone's" gonna turn it up?

Is that a joke? If everyone prefers it at a different setting, then obviously that's a good reason for making it an option.

As for Elmo's comment, I've been around and about the Maw for quite a while, and have seen next to no posts complaining about Halo's FOV except on this thread.

That's because everyone who didn't like the game quit a long time ago, most of them back in late 2003. I personally know several people who won't play the game solely because of the FOV. And the forum for one game is hardly a "mini-world of the real PC base." I was a regular on Gearbox's forums when Halo PC first came out, and there were a lot people asking why the FOV wasn't adjustable. After a few weeks/months when they saw the game wasn't going to change, they went back to Quake/Unreal/CS/Half Life/Far cry/etc.


Why are people so belligerent on this forum? If someone wants an option, why does everyone get their panties in a wad? If it's an option, then you can either choose to use it or not use it. Very simple concept. If the look sensitivity were stuck at 3 and not adjustable, and someone asked if they could make it adjustable, I'm sure all these same people would be saying the same useless, utterly stupid arguments. "I don't want to change it, therefore nobody else should." or "But if everyone changes it, then why have an option?" or "If it's so bad go play something else." Useless drivel like this is the reason the rest of the gaming community sees the bungie.net forums as a joke. (Yes, it's true. These forums are the laughingstock of the rest of the gaming community.)

  • 08.25.2006 6:05 PM PDT
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Elmo's right about the laughingstock thing. The reputation of this place is the reason I stayed away from it for so long. So far, everything I've heard is true, and that makes me a sad panda.

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  • 08.25.2006 6:11 PM PDT
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Not just the Maw, but the Halo forums in general. The rumors? Well, if you look at the last sentence in your post and cut out the "that don't respond well to blatant," take the "ignorance" and change it to "ignorant" and put it in front of "hard", you will pretty much get the gist of what I've heard.

And, of course, I had to come see for myself. :)

  • 08.25.2006 6:24 PM PDT
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If you are gonna start calling the Maw "the laughingstock of the rest of the gaming community," come up with some proof, like links. Also, don't start calling us ignorant when this is your first day here. I hate people who just come in here and start compaining about how we bash ideas. Many of the ideas we get here are either stupid, impossible, or useless. Also, unless you are positive, don't use generalizations such as "a lot of us PC gamers." Most, if not all, of the people in the Maw prefer PC games to consoles.

  • 08.25.2006 6:41 PM PDT
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There are good Halo forums.

The Bungie.net forums are not included in that category.

This is a shame because when I'd like the chance to communicate with the developers on a forum, this is the place that it should happen. But instead we have people that act like bickering children attack our thoughts instead of mature dialogue.

Several of us that have posted today are not new here. It's just been so long since the last time we posted here that we had to re-register.

I suppose there is a reason I've kept clear of this place for a few years. Who knows when I'll be back.

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  • 08.25.2006 6:50 PM PDT
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"Unless you are positive..." as in, unless that I am certain? First of all, I applied a reductionary qualifier to the comment, indicating that I did not believe that it was true for all cases. Secondly, I am certain about what I said. Third, I was doing my best to maintain a warm, friendly tone. Note that I said that I wanted to come and see for myself if the rumors are true, wanting to give this place a fair shake. So far, I have been pretty disappointed with the fact that a simple suggestion that really doesn't matter all that much has been greeted with nothing but a hail of negative comments and irrational criticisms.

It wasn't my aim to be rude in what I said - I was simply restating what I've heard. That's all.

But hey, if it makes you feel better, in a thousand years it really won't matter. :)

  • 08.25.2006 6:57 PM PDT
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I think most of this was started with the insults being flung around near the beginning. The forum doesn't care that you are now posting logical arguments (You as in the ones for the option). Making a suggestion is fine by me, but negative comments about the developer, and other people do not get a warm response here. This is hardly the best forum I visit, and I rarely post. That you even got me to post in here shows that it is a worthwhile thread, whether I agree with you or not.

  • 08.25.2006 7:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: oobie10
If you are gonna start calling the Maw "the laughingstock of the rest of the gaming community," come up with some proof, like links. Also, don't start calling us ignorant when this is your first day here. I hate people who just come in here and start compaining about how we bash ideas. Many of the ideas we get here are either stupid, impossible, or useless. Also, unless you are positive, don't use generalizations such as "a lot of us PC gamers." Most, if not all, of the people in the Maw prefer PC games to consoles.


Agreed. Need I say more?

Posted by: TalkingElmo
Is that a joke? If everyone prefers it at a different setting, then obviously that's a good reason for making it an option.


*sigh* You didn't read my post. Re-read it, please, because either you didn't read the second part or you didn't understand what I was saying.

Posted by: TalkingElmo
That's because everyone who didn't like the game quit a long time ago, most of them back in late 2003. I personally know several people who won't play the game solely because of the FOV.


So you would call someone who picked up the game for perhaps a month, then tossed it aside because they were dissatisfied with it, you would call those the "true" fans of Halo? Not the people who fell in love with the game and stuck with it through thick and thin?

Posted by: TalkingElmo
And the forum for one game is hardly a "mini-world of the real PC base." I was a regular on Gearbox's forums when Halo PC first came out, and there were a lot people asking why the FOV wasn't adjustable. After a few weeks/months when they saw the game wasn't going to change, they went back to Quake/Unreal/CS/Half Life/Far cry/etc.


...what? Let's take the first possible scenario: following your argument, if most of the Gearbox forum went back to their games, then they obviously "weren't reflective of the true PC base," and that they don't represent the community at large. Hm.

Let's take the second possible scenario: they stopped playing and went back to their original game. So what. Are those the people a company wants to cater to? The people who pick their game up for a month, then toss it aside simply because of something minor like FOV? Probably not.

Besides, you said it yourself. The game wasn't going to change. And seeing this past record...well...my hopes aren't too high.

Posted by: TalkingElmo
Why are people so belligerent on this forum? If someone wants an option, why does everyone get their panties in a wad? If it's an option, then you can either choose to use it or not use it. Very simple concept.


And finally, like everyone else, you have no right to ridicule (see "is that a joke") those who provide the dissenting opinion because, like everyone else, they are merely stating their opinions or (as in this case) the hard cold facts. Simple concept. ^_~

And...well, asking "is that a joke" from someone's opinion, then wondering a few lines later "why is everyone so belligerent?"...well...doubt if I need to say any more on that.

While I can't speak for the more...erm...incoherent/fanboyish on the forum, I am speaking for people like Gumball who are simply stating the facts/truth/their opinion.

What hard cold facts? That the idea is pointless, and had you actually realized the true relation between real H1PC fans and Bungie/Gearbox, you'll know it's difficult if not downright impossible to get them to implement user suggestions.

Oh, and as for Raoul, I still don't see how the posts contradict each other...I'm pretty sure it was fairly coherent throughout. And he does have a point...larger FOV=advantage.

Posted by: scoville
This is a shame because when I'd like the chance to communicate with the developers on a forum, this is the place that it should happen.


And as for this...well...like I said, its damned hard, if not impossible to talk to Bungie. Not everyone who posts here is a fanboy.

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  • 08.25.2006 7:05 PM PDT

It's a good thing Halo 2 PC is well....ON PC! Either way it doesn't concern me because I'm always going to get my way. ^_^ M-ing

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What hard cold facts? That the idea is pointless, and had you actually realized the true relation between real H1PC fans and Bungie/Gearbox, you'll know it's difficult if not downright impossible to get them to implement user suggestions.

I was a moderator on Gearbox's forums, and a server admin for their Halo PC server. I have personally met the entire Gearbox Halo team. I am well aware of why Halo PC didn't get more support and fixes than it did.

However, this thread is not about Halo PC. This thread is asking for a feature in Halo 2 Vista, which 1) isn't out yet and therefore has more hope of getting things changed, and 2) is being ported by MS and not an outside company and therefore has more chance of getting post-launch support. The only reason I mentioned Halo PC is because someone said nobody cares about the FOV, and I was pointing out that only the people who are left don't care. If they cared that much, they left a while back. I used the Gearbox forums as an example of people who wanted to play the game but found it too frustrating because of the lag, FOV, and other things.

At any rate, I honestly don't have time to argue with kids on a web forum. I posted this because I hoped Bungie would see that some people want an adjustable FOV as an option (keyword: option). I knew full well that all the little bungie.net kids would come flaming and arguing, which is why people avoid these forums. But unfortunately, like scoville said, it's the only place to make your voice heard if you want the developers to hear you.

By the way, I'm not new here. I've been a member since right after Halo PC came out. I don't post here more often because of the type of responses this thread has gotten. It's not an enjoyable place to be so I only post when I really want to make my voice heard to the devs. This is one of those times.

  • 08.25.2006 7:30 PM PDT

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