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Meh, too lazy to take it apart bit by bit, and too lazy to quote you, so let's just start from there then.

Like I said, and as I should clarify, you came in acting upon your (nonexsistant) seniority and believing you would get the respect and attention a senior member of the forums would receive. Not even senior members get respect and/or attention, and either way, seniority means little if anything. The reason I say nonexsistant is because quite simply, not too many people know you. Since you were apparently a moderator of a forum, you should know as well as I do that building a name on forums takes time...you can't simply come in acting like you've been here forever when you truly haven't. I don't consider a several year lapse to be "forever."

To be completely honest, I haven't seen too much fanboy-ing around this thread. Time and time again, people are simply stating their opinion, most of which you somehow regard as "fanboy and flames.' My diagnosis? It's all in your misperception that this forum is filled with fanboys and n00bs. Some of us aren't, some of us are mature, and we've just proven this point through logical and coherent posts.

Honestly, i've seen a lot more negativity from your side of the argument. You came in here with bland stereotypes that everyone was a fanboy and a little kiddie, and therefore disregarded dissenting opinions as "flames," which has basically formed the pillar of your counterargument, that the disagreeing opinions of others could be disregarded because they were from "kiddies". After all of this negativity to this forum, you THEN expected to be treated without any sort of hostility? I'm suprised that a post-moderator of a popular forum holds this sort of attitude.

Back on topic. You mentioned that "If they cared, they left a while back." Like I said, refer to my last post. Only the people who are left are the real fans of Halo. And those people really don't care too much about FOV. This thread has proven it. And to be honest, would you really care that much if the FOV wasn't changeable? Like someone said, no need to get your panties into a wad there.

Second point: Like I said, good luck getting in touch with Bungie. They left H1PC to rot, and I don't expect help for H2PC. Gearbox may be different, and they proved it by releasing CE, but Bungie...seeing that the most contact we've gotten is a H2Vista Test Lead...

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  • 08.25.2006 7:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Ryukage
What? Play a game? FOR FUN???
This concept of fun confuses and infuriates me!

Posted by: TalkingElmo
What hard cold facts? That the idea is pointless, and had you actually realized the true relation between real H1PC fans and Bungie/Gearbox, you'll know it's difficult if not downright impossible to get them to implement user suggestions.

I was a moderator on Gearbox's forums, and a server admin for their Halo PC server. I have personally met the entire Gearbox Halo team. I am well aware of why Halo PC didn't get more support and fixes than it did.

However, this thread is not about Halo PC. This thread is asking for a feature in Halo 2 Vista, which 1) isn't out yet and therefore has more hope of getting things changed, and 2) is being ported by MS and not an outside company and therefore has more chance of getting post-launch support. The only reason I mentioned Halo PC is because someone said nobody cares about the FOV, and I was pointing out that only the people who are left don't care. If they cared that much, they left a while back. I used the Gearbox forums as an example of people who wanted to play the game but found it too frustrating because of the lag, FOV, and other things.

At any rate, I honestly don't have time to argue with kids on a web forum. I posted this because I hoped Bungie would see that some people want an adjustable FOV as an option (keyword: option). I knew full well that all the little bungie.net kids would come flaming and arguing, which is why people avoid these forums. But unfortunately, like scoville said, it's the only place to make your voice heard if you want the developers to hear you.

By the way, I'm not new here. I've been a member since right after Halo PC came out. I don't post here more often because of the type of responses this thread has gotten. It's not an enjoyable place to be so I only post when I really want to make my voice heard to the devs. This is one of those times.


ZOMG! You were a mod on the Gearbox forums! Big whoop.
Obviously, you have no clue what flaming is here. Most of us havent been flaming you at all. And just because you don't want to play a game because of the FOV, is one of the most moronic reasons I have ever heard. I play Halo because of the fast paced action, and to screw around with the games physics with stunting and such. If people want to complain about the FOV in a FPS, then they shouldnt be playing them in the first place. Play a third person game, or somthing. But that probably would have to large a FOV for them, wouldnt it?

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  • 08.25.2006 7:52 PM PDT

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Once upon a time, I had a demo for Quake and one for Unreal Tournament.

They had different FOVs, though at the time I didn't know that's what they were called. For distant sniping, etc I liked Quake, for up close, in your face fighting, I liked Unreal.

Doesn't your FOV change when you get in the drivers or gunners seat of a Hog? I know the POV does, it becomes 3rd person. And isn't there a mod where you play in third person? And that doesn't make the models go wacky, right?

I doubt they'll do anything more than a straightforward port, but there's always Halo IV. I know there's not supposed to be a fourth one, but if the demand is there and it's a successful franchise, I can't see why they would quit.

  • 08.25.2006 9:13 PM PDT
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Most of the people in this thread defending bungie are just trying to be mods.


Why dont you guys try walking around with one eyeball and see if thats fun. Most of you are probably missing half your brain if you think PR spawns with 2 BR's on map is fair and balanced. Go watch fox news for that crap.

Maybe bungie will bless us in halo3 by making the MC even more disabled. Get rid of his left arm and replace it with a gernade launcher. The enviornments can be super realistic, if its cold the MCs visor will fog so you cant see. Or it its raining you have tons of water drops on his visor. Of course bungie would only put 1 visor wiper on the map to make it balanced. Bungie obviously cares so much about realism even though its a sci-fi shooter.

  • 08.25.2006 10:00 PM PDT

ROFLs...

  • 08.25.2006 10:48 PM PDT
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They have helmets on it's not like they can see through the armour you know... You put on a helmet and see what you FOV is...


Helmets don't generally decrease FOV. Motorcycle helmets don't (although it's argued that they do, studies have proven otherwise), so I think that in the future the MC's helmet wouldn't have a problem with it.


Do you ride a motorcycle? Because I do, and yes, the helmet does limit the field of veiw slightly. If you can see the border where the visor meets the helmet, then the FOV is limited. I guess it depends on the model of helmet.

And SimonJester, the FOV seems to change when you use a vehicle because it is in third person, the camera is set behind the player model so it looks like you can see farther to either side.



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  • 08.25.2006 11:10 PM PDT
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I'm not claiming senority. You implied I don't have any idea about what went on between Gearbox and Bungie with Halo 1 for the PC. I mentioned that I was a moderator for Gearbox after you implied that to show that I'm not new to the situation, even though I'm not a regular on these forums.

I don't care about forum senority. I don't need it to make a thread expressing my desire for an option in the game.

It's very simple. I want to be able to change the FOV in Halo 2 for Vista. Very simple concept. I'm posting that so that Bungie can see that there is some interest in that feature and if enough people want it, maybe they'll add it at some point. If you don't care about the feature, don't post in the thread. It's that easy. Telling someone who likes the game but would like it more if it had a certain feature to "go play another game if you don't like it" doesn't accomplish anything.

  • 08.26.2006 12:45 AM PDT

well said, after all that's why these forums even exist.

  • 08.26.2006 2:05 AM PDT
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Check my sig, Bitterbanana has camera mods.

  • 08.26.2006 4:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: TalkingElmo
It's very simple. I want to be able to change the FOV in Halo 2 for Vista. Very simple concept. I'm posting that so that Bungie can see that there is some interest in that feature and if enough people want it, maybe they'll add it at some point. If you don't care about the feature, don't post in the thread. It's that easy. Telling someone who likes the game but would like it more if it had a certain feature to "go play another game if you don't like it" doesn't accomplish anything.


It's also very simple. People go to forums to post their opinion. If your idea can't take a little bit of criticism, well, then...

My final point: don't regard other's comments as n00bish or fanboyish simply because they disagree. And never try to suppress other's opinions, be they dissenting or agreeing. If someone disagrees, [i]they have just as much a right to post in your thread as you do.[i]

And likewise, if you don't like the people in this forum, why bother coming here in the first place?

*sigh* I've wasted enough of my time arguing with you, so I'll just leave it at that.

Have a nice day.

  • 08.26.2006 5:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: Spandexman1337
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"Again, no-one is forcing you to play. Do you have any idea how much code it would require to allow for a modifiable FOV? Remember that this is not Halo 2.5 for the PC. This is Halo 2 for the PC. They're not rebuilding it, they're not re-coding it from scratch, and they certaintly aren't going to add hundreds of thousands of lines of code (for each degree of difference in the FOV, you'd have to have modified FirstPerson ARMs, modified player models, modified gun models, etc) for a feature that:
A. Hardly anyone would use.
B. Isn't actively employed by any other game developer.
C. Isn't native to Halo2."
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It wouldnt take much to make a modable FOV, people have done it for the xbox.

Obviously you never play PC games, unlike console gamers PC gamers like fun and balanced gameplay. Not PR spawns with 2 BRs on map. H2V got alot of bad press at the german convension. I quote IGN
"Master Chief was running like his feet were stuck in cold maple syrup, and jumping felt extremely floaty and weightless."
PC gamers arent use to this nooby gameplay. Its a joke.
I dont even want to know how easy it will be to no-scope using the mouse and keyboard.



Actually it is simple to change FOV...
You can change it if you mod.... So it can't be hard to change it in-game.

  • 08.26.2006 10:58 AM PDT

me15ter, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that, it's not him taking criticism, it's people being complete jerks about it. I'll let slide that what TalkingElmo posted could've been written better, but when people decide "hey it's a great time to totally put this guy down because I found a way to make him look like an ass!". That's when the flame war starts and the only fault I think TalkingElmo is burdened with is how he wrote his beginning post, and the jerks come. TalkingElmo is obviously going to defend himself and his credibility. It just gets out of control. I understood all he was asking for was something simple, not demanding it but asking.

Posted by: Spandexman1337
Most of the people in this thread defending bungie are just trying to be mods.


Why dont you guys try walking around with one eyeball and see if thats fun. Most of you are probably missing half your brain if you think PR spawns with 2 BR's on map is fair and balanced. Go watch fox news for that crap.

Maybe bungie will bless us in halo3 by making the MC even more disabled. Get rid of his left arm and replace it with a gernade launcher. The enviornments can be super realistic, if its cold the MCs visor will fog so you cant see. Or it its raining you have tons of water drops on his visor. Of course bungie would only put 1 visor wiper on the map to make it balanced. Bungie obviously cares so much about realism even though its a sci-fi shooter.


Posted by: Spandexman1337
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"Again, no-one is forcing you to play. Do you have any idea how much code it would require to allow for a modifiable FOV? Remember that this is not Halo 2.5 for the PC. This is Halo 2 for the PC. They're not rebuilding it, they're not re-coding it from scratch, and they certaintly aren't going to add hundreds of thousands of lines of code (for each degree of difference in the FOV, you'd have to have modified FirstPerson ARMs, modified player models, modified gun models, etc) for a feature that:
A. Hardly anyone would use.
B. Isn't actively employed by any other game developer.
C. Isn't native to Halo2."
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It wouldnt take much to make a modable FOV, people have done it for the xbox.

Obviously you never play PC games, unlike console gamers PC gamers like fun and balanced gameplay. Not PR spawns with 2 BRs on map. H2V got alot of bad press at the german convension. I quote IGN
"Master Chief was running like his feet were stuck in cold maple syrup, and jumping felt extremely floaty and weightless."
PC gamers arent use to this nooby gameplay. Its a joke.
I dont even want to know how easy it will be to no-scope using the mouse and keyboard.


It's jerks like him that start flame wars because his jokes aren't really jokes. I acknowledge however that people like yourself are more modest about this, but you've seem to see it from the other half.

  • 08.26.2006 11:08 AM PDT
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Things like not having adjustible FOV is one of the many reasons Halo PC was not taken seriously by the PC gaming crowd. That and the engine's performance was ludicrous.

And 70 degrees is a silly joke. I don't see how anybody with experience with other first person shooters on the PC can at all take that seriously.

  • 08.27.2006 12:03 AM PDT
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i dont usually come in this forum, cause it became a hell-hole when halo 2 started to come out..

all the "OMG HALO 2 FOR PC WUD B TEH PWN"
or "IS DER GONA B HALO 2 PC!??!??"


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but i think this is ridiculous enough to shed my opinion on.

FOV...

people complain about halo 1's FOV? i wonder if they are aware of the third person and fov tweak mod

halo's engine can do an adjustable fov without any new models, barely any work, blablabla...

but what i ask is, why argue about it? its not up to us here whether they do it or not. hell, i dont think that bungie gives a damn if you think it shouldnt be in there. If they like the idea, its in. if they dont like the idea, its out. you shouldnt bother saying they shouldnt do it, if you have no say at all.

as for what i think, i dont care. Halo is fun to play, and i dont have a preference on fov. i play whatever the game is. and if i dont like the game, i play another.

so in my case, "if you dont like it, go play another game" makes perfect sense. If you dont like pie, go eat cake. if you dont like cake, go eat ice cream. the more things you dont like, the more particular you are, and the more particular you are, the more you complain.

So, heres what i say. go ahead and give bungie a suggestion or 2, this fov idea aint a bad one, but dont go tellin the guy who came up with it tons and tons of reasons why it shouldnt be done. bungie already knows better than you why they wouldnt do it.

Theyre the programmers, not you.

even if they dont do it, someone like bitterbanana will make a mod to let you do it, if its that important.

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  • 08.27.2006 12:54 AM PDT
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Something as basic as FOV should NOT have to rely on third party mods, which may be viewed as cheats!

I judge Halo PC based on what is state of the art for other PC shooters, and it's definetly way way short. Compared to other PC games, the way Halo PC got implemented was a slap in the face.

It's like selling a new car without tires. It's simply unacceptable. Rather than shrugging and accepting it, I'd rather see that Halo 2 PC doesn't get similarily shortchanged. THAT is how you get a superior product delivered, by making sure that the supplier knows damn well they fell short.

I don't want to play another game. I like Halo, but I want my Halo with tires. Why the frack is that so wrong? If I'm in a restaurant and my steak is overcooked and garnished with feces I don't say "Oh well" and enjoy my entree a la crapulence. I send the thing back, and the next time I get a proper steak sans fecal dressing.

I'm very glad the vast majority of consumers aren't like Bungie apologists, or there would be crap on everything.

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That's a very vivid, and disturbing comparison. Which makes it all the more true. Gearbox Fuq'd up with HaloPC. Everyone knows that. And hopefully Bungie will learn from the mistake and release a game that is many times better than the Xbox version.

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I agree, and hopefully we won't have to lead our shots this time, because the Halo 2 auto-aim + Host won't exactly be fair if you have to lead your shots.

  • 08.27.2006 11:46 AM PDT
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We won't have auto-aim in H2 Vista, what are you talking about?

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So people shouldn't have to spend their time to be good? That makes no sense. If you suck, you suck. Having auto aim is for noobs, and consolers with joysticks.

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There is a mod you can get for for Halo PC and CE right now it allows third person viewing and altering of FOV it ranges from 1-180. The default FOV in Halo is 70, most peopel see with 180 in real life. Increasign your FOV in halo causes things to distort around you, you appear to move faster in your eyes and objects appear farther away. If you decrease your field of view it acts as zoom with no blurring, I've seen people use it to get a pistol to 8x zoom. FOV is not good to change. A third person camera acts much better. It gives you 180 viewing with out distortions to distance.

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if you wanted a 180 degree FOV you'd need some kind of whack wrap around monitor. Since at that FOV the game would look, well, Whack.

And most people have a field of view slightly less than 180. Try holding your hands out the the side and wiggle your fingers. You won't see them.

  • 08.27.2006 2:36 PM PDT
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OI! CHECK MY SIG FOR CAMERA MODS! yeesh...
And I can see them wiggle.... well, okay, I can see their shadows.

  • 08.27.2006 5:55 PM PDT
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Something as basic as FOV should NOT have to rely on third party mods, which may be viewed as cheats!


Exactly. I've seen the mods for it and I've been tempted to try it on my Xbox but I don't want to fool with modding chips and worry about getting banned from Live. I don't think it would be cheating since it's similar to changing look sensitivity or something, i.e. there are tradeoffs (things look farther away). If it doesn't do it out of the box on Vista, I'll probably find a mod and try that. But it would be so much better if it were built into the game, for a number of reasons.

By the way, for those of you who haven't played Halo 2 and think Halo 1 has a bad FOV, Halo 2's is even narrower. Close range fighting is extremely frustrating and random because you have so little peripheral vision (and before someone calls me a noob, even the top players in the world lose people up close and get screwed over by the lack of peripheral vision). One of my friends who loved Halo 1 can't play Halo 2 because it gives him motion sickness. It blows my mind that Bungie would make the game this way, but what can you do? Hopefully Halo 3 won't be even narrower.

  • 08.28.2006 2:04 AM PDT

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