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Subject: Auto-Aim should be in H2V

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...no, just no. Mouse and keyboard > controller w/ Autoaim

  • 08.29.2006 7:15 PM PDT

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well see the problem is not everyone has super grafix cards and superfast internet. and they dont have their mommys to go buy it for them so they have to settle with a really crappy framerate and can never see someone for long enough to get a good enough head shot on them or what ever.

  • 08.29.2006 7:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: thevidkid
well see the problem is not everyone has super grafix cards and superfast internet. and they dont have their mommys to go buy it for them so they have to settle with a really crappy framerate and can never see someone for long enough to get a good enough head shot on them or what ever.


And you think autoaim is going to compensate for that?

That's what autoaim is. Compensation for poor skills.

  • 08.29.2006 7:41 PM PDT

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That's what autoaim is. Compensation for poor skills.

No its compensation for people whos parents dont work for microsoft or some other big company and have to settle with just bare minimum to play the dang game.

  • 08.29.2006 7:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: thevidkid
That's what autoaim is. Compensation for poor skills.

No its compensation for people whos parents dont work for microsoft or some other big company and have to settle with just bare minimum to play the dang game.

Why, by what you are saying, Halo 2 has massive Auto Aim?

  • 08.29.2006 7:49 PM PDT

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Why, by what you are saying, Halo 2 has massive Auto Aim?


No comprende Señor

  • 08.29.2006 7:51 PM PDT
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Try getting a job. That's how I paid for my computer. And that's how I'm going to pay for my next one with Vista.

Auto-aim isn't going to help with your framerate. It's a crutch for crappy players.

The only other game I've played with Autoaim on PC was Deus Ex: Invisible War. And it was crap. I had to edit the config file to turn it off. And I did much better as a result.

Even if they did put autoaim in Halo2Vista. The people with Mouse and Keyboard are still going to own because a mouse is faster.

[Edited on 8/29/2006]

  • 08.29.2006 7:52 PM PDT

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Sry i kind of cant get a job i am going to be a junior this year and am going to have a packed full schedule and plus while im learning to drive so i dont have time to get a job and if you are wasting your money on halo 2 vista when it first comes out. you could probably get an xbox 360 and halo 2 and 3 for less money than a new computer,halo 2 vista, and Windows Vista.

  • 08.29.2006 7:57 PM PDT
Subject: No Auto-Aim
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Auto-aim leaves an unfair edge to the players who worked hard "refining" their skills on Halo, with nothing but "what you see is what you get," and then pits them up against the "armed four year olds" of the multiplayer game. If you watched the youtube movie that was posted up a few pages ago, it shows... it takes no skill at all to kill someone with auto-aim. Meanwhile, all those that worked hard to actually play the game would suffer against people who like to make themselves look good. There is no need for auto-aim, it helps no one (no, it does not help people with lag.) It might be needed a bit for Halo 2 on Xbox, but for those whiners complaining about their controllers for PC, one of my friends plays with a controller exclusively and has a great kill ratio. No auto-aim. I don't see him complaining. Auto-aim is unnecessary.

  • 08.29.2006 8:01 PM PDT
Subject: Auto-Aim should be in H2V

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Posted by: dalmedya
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Posted by: thevidkid
Why, by what you are saying, Halo 2 has massive Auto Aim?


No comprende Señor

First of all, why do you insist on deleting the "Posted by: " part of the quote. But back on topic, from what you said, what is the reasoning why Halo 2 has massive Auto Aim?

  • 08.29.2006 8:02 PM PDT
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I could get an Xbox360. But I'm not. Why? Because A computer is MUCH more useful than a console. Check my sig. Consoles are for morons. Not only do they take absolutely no brain power to use them. A person would have to be incredibly stupid to waste thier money on something that only plays games, with much lower resolution, and no online play unless you spent even MORE money paying for XBox Live.

i've been gaiming before you were even born. So I'm pretty sure I know my -blam!-.

  • 08.29.2006 8:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: thevidkid
Why, by what you are saying, Halo 2 has massive Auto Aim?


No comprende Señor

First of all, why do you insist on deleting the "Posted by: " part of the quote. But back on topic, from what you said, what is the reasoning why Halo 2 has massive Auto Aim?


sry about the quote thing i was useing the txt markup tags on the side to the left.

And i dont understand what you mean i was not talking about halo 2.

  • 08.29.2006 8:05 PM PDT

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Im not stupid i know about computers too but i believe consoles are more made for gameing (Duh) because it already has all the necessities for playing the game and you dont have to upgrade your computer every year to play some new game.

  • 08.29.2006 8:07 PM PDT
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No you just have to wait another half decade for the next generation of over-priced consoles.

And if you do spend the money to get a top of the line computer, then you shouldn't need to do any major upgrades for the next 4 years.

  • 08.29.2006 8:15 PM PDT

-"Sometimes in private really like to dress up like Sheerly Temple and spank myself with a hockey stick." -Weird Al Confessions Pt.3
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i hope you realize that a half a decade is 5 years and you spend maybee500 at the most for a console and 4 years for a 800 dollar pc and if you get the suped up ones that cost anywhere from 1000 to 2000 dollars maybee even more i think ill take the latter.

[Edited on 8/29/2006]

  • 08.29.2006 8:17 PM PDT
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Wow, a half decade is 5 years. I didn't know that...

And you don't need to buy a completely new computer every four years dumbass. I'm talking maybe a $200 video card upgrade. Which you can then sell the old one for a fairly good price. Therefore you pay even less.

This is turning into a PC/Console war, and I'm ashamed to be associated with this. Good Day Sir.

  • 08.29.2006 8:22 PM PDT

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ive won the battle and console will win the war. no wait it is winning the war.

  • 08.29.2006 8:24 PM PDT
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Just because I refuse to take part in this gigantic waste of bandwidth doesn't mean you've won kid.

Consoles will never win the "war", you know why? Because they are already woefully obsolete compared to PC's by the time they are released.

Consoles are nothing but a collection of PC parts wrapped up in a spiffy box. Most likely to impress the whiny little 12 year olds who scream and cry until thier parents buy them one.

  • 08.29.2006 8:30 PM PDT

-"Sometimes in private really like to dress up like Sheerly Temple and spank myself with a hockey stick." -Weird Al Confessions Pt.3
-i donnt kare iff i spellledd the stupd forum write so shut up> i dont kare fore gud gramber ook.
-Dude don't act cool just because your Online.
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first of all dont call me kid im not a kid and a kid system is something like the gamecube that i can agree with but systems like the xbox are much more updated with really good grafics cards so they wont go out of date anytime soon. companys dont want to keep creating consoles every 2 years just because a new video card with 300 mb instead of 256. thats a waste of money and resourses. therefore they cant put in some crap card that will only last 3 months. Well i guess you are right on one thing this is supposed to be about auto aim not consoles and pcs. i still believe that some auto-aim is needed. and if you wine and complain about auto-aim shouldnt you be better at something with minute auto aim shouldnt the skills stay the same as the auto aim gets put in. or is it that some people are angry because they just got out of noob river and then they fell back in when some people actually had a chance to play without being totally pwned.

  • 08.29.2006 8:41 PM PDT

Guys, don't digress from the subject. This isn't a Console vs. PC thread. It's a subject of whether to incorporate auto-aim in H2V to help alleviate lag.

I've read the above posts. I have some things to point out. If I take the statement

In Halo 2, with auto-aim. People with no skill can beat even the pros

I know it's not "for word" but bear with me. In Halo 2, could you not tell the difference between someone who's played Halo 2 for a while and a fresh new player? I feel that "armed four-year olds" is a complete exaggeration of Halo 2 and I serious think if you pitted armed four-year olds against veterans, the veterans are more likely to win.

The Auto-Aim doesn't measure up against someone's integrity and experience. The argument I see is that Auto-Aim tends to reflect just that when it really doesn't. If only newbies had auto-aim, I still think the veterans would've won because of experience. So I fail to see how Auto-Aim can make it "unfair" towards veterans of the game because they possess something that auto-aim can't replace: Experience.

That's why I seriously doubt that implementing Auto-Aim will make much of a difference in gameplay because in the end the more experienced, more versatile player will win. What people are implying (in Halo text) is that a Level 4 can outbeat a Level 32 which is pure non-sense. If Auto-Aim did make such a difference in gameplay that one could not distinguish between those who are "pro" and those who are "noob', then wow. But I fail to see otherwise because when I jump in and play Team Slayer, I can clearly tell who's the more experienced guy on the team and who's the one that had a light grasp of the game. Really this talk about Auto-Aim disintegrating the gap between newb and pro is simply some rant a player came up with to justify his loss in a ranked game.

I'm going to get sticked for this, but if you blame your loss on Auto-Aim then you're really not good at this game because.....everyone has Auto-Aim, not just the bastard that killed you. The fact is that you failed to use it effectively enough to kill the bastard and isn't this what we call "skill"?

Auto-Aim is bad when only a select few have it, but when Auto-Aim is made for everyone's use then I fail to see the disadvantages other than having an easier time.

[Edited on 8/29/2006]

  • 08.29.2006 8:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Fantasy Star
Guys, don't digress from the subject. This isn't a Console vs. PC thread. It's a subject of whether to incorporate auto-aim in H2V to help alleviate lag.

I've read the above posts. I have some things to point out. If I take the statement

In Halo 2, with auto-aim. People with no skill can beat even the pros

I know it's not "for word" but bear with me. In Halo 2, could you not tell the difference between someone who's played Halo 2 for a while and a fresh new player? I feel that "armed four-year olds" is a complete exaggeration of Halo 2 and I serious think if you pitted armed four-year olds against veterans, the veterans are more likely to win.

The Auto-Aim doesn't measure up against someone's integrity and experience. The argument I see is that Auto-Aim tends to reflect just that when it really doesn't. If only newbies had auto-aim, I still think the veterans would've won because of experience. So I fail to see how Auto-Aim can make it "unfair" towards veterans of the game because they possess something that auto-aim can't replace: Experience.

That's why I seriously doubt that implementing Auto-Aim will make much of a difference in gameplay because in the end the more experienced, more versatile palyer will win. What people are implying (in Halo text) is that a Level 4 can outbeat a Level 32 which is pure non-sense. If Auto-Aim really did make a difference in gameplay than one could not distinguish those who are "pro" and those who are "noob'. But I fail to see otherwise because when I jump in and play Team Slayer, I can clearly tell who's the more experienced guy on the team and who's the one that had a light grasp of the game. Really this talk about Auto-Aim disintegrating the gap between newb and pro is simply some rant a player came up with to justify his loss in a ranked game.

I'm going to get sticked for this, but if you blame your loss on Auto-Aim then you're really not good at this game because.....everyone has Auto-Aim, not just the bastard that killed you. The fact is that you failed to use it effectively enough to kill the bastard and isn't this what we call "skill"?

Auto-Aim is bad when only a select few have it, but when Auto-Aim is made for everyone's use then I fail to see the disadvantages other than having an easier time.


thank you finally a smart person.

  • 08.29.2006 8:50 PM PDT
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Fine, "Young Adult"...

I wouldn't call an Xbox good by any standards. By the time you get yours unpacked, it's already obsolete, at least from a technical point of view.

I looked at the Xbox 360 specs, and I admit it's actually pretty good. But they've already been eclipsed by what is on the PC market. I bought the computer I'm using now about 6 months before the 360 was released. And it's specs are just slightly better. Which by the way I don't have to wait to upgrade.

Consoles are fine in my opinion for the fact that they have some really original and fun games. (Mechassault, Super Smash Bros) But they just aren't worth the money.

back on the topic at hand; What's the point of putting autoaim on if it's so minute as to be pretty much pointless. That's all autoaim really is, it's just pointless for Bungie to waste time putting in the autoaim.

If they put autoaim in (and it would be a mistake to do it) it should only be in single player. Where's the fun in having the computer aim for you? It'd be like having a robot steer my motorcycle for me, If I may be allowed a motorcycle analogy. Because I do so love motorcycling and I miss it terribly.

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  • 08.29.2006 8:57 PM PDT

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like star said if you have been playing halo for years now and have honed your skillz you should be able to still pwn people. and if you still pwn people the what is the problem with auto aim it makes the game more chalenging in the fact that you have to be fast and kill the idiot befor he kills you.

  • 08.29.2006 9:05 PM PDT
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While i've just jumped in and havent read the thread, here's my £0.02 anyway.

Auto-aim was in H2Xbox to combat lag; auto-aim was the same at both end, so presumably the result would be the same at both ends. That, and aiming precisely with a controller is waay too hard without some assistance, especially in a game as fast paced as Halo. Now, the main cause of the lag in H2X was due to Live's nature as a home-hosted P2P network. H2V will (hopefully) be played on lag-free dedicated servers, so that's the primary reason for auto-aim already gone, aswell as other various performance-related issues like FPS lag.

Also, on the PC, the vast majority of people play with the infinitely more accurate keyboard + mouse combo. Adding auto-aim into a PC multiplayer evironment is always bad. It changes it from a contest of actual skill to what is essentially a bullet-spray fest in their general direction and hoping that auto-aim will get you the kill. This makes for a crappy PC game. There is a reason that auto-aim existed in half life 1.6 single player, but not multiplayer.

By all means, include it in single player for those who want a frag-fest on easy mode, but putting it in multiplayer is like giving everyone a pre-made aimbot. It's just... no.

  • 08.29.2006 9:06 PM PDT

@TUI_Obi_Wan

Well, if you want to use hypothetical examples I got one.

When you're driving a car, you let go of the wheel handle and the car still drives in a reasonably straight line. Or you can think of Cruise Control. I don't see any bad out of Auto-Aim other than phychological ones such as what I posted above, but yeah.....

I don't think Auto-Aim would be turned insanely high to merit the example of a robot driving for your sister. I'd imagine Auto-Aim to the point of Cruise Control. You can rely on it when driving down straight freeways, but don't count on it to drive for you because it only goes in a straight line, it's simliar to what I proposed earlier.

Have Auto-Aim slightly enough to help alleviate lag and latency.

@elmicker

I do see your point and I admit I relished the thought of Dedicated Servers, I just want to secure my multiplayer experience and not chance anything really. But yeah, very well put.

My only argument against that is that with H2V, they have to design the netcode to be more friendly to people with low bandwidth, and seeing is how Halo 2 on Xbox Live did such a great job on buffering the lag/latency because of different Broadband providers, I wouldn't see why not include it in H2V as well. As for Keyboard and Mouse........who knows? I use the computer Auto-Aim in CS:Source where servers allowed it, but my ass gets pwned the same as if I never had it at all, but I was able to shoot the dude and register shots....life is hillariously awkward.

[Edited on 8/29/2006]

  • 08.29.2006 9:07 PM PDT