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It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Posted by: Aznbanisher
If it would be by posts, then would promote the wrong kind of posts. Join dates, and how many posts do not make a difference, you are who you are, and you act according to who you are.

If you want prestige and to be well known, your going to have to do it yourself, in your own way

Hpw do you know all this? The bit about how titles would oppresively force their evil will among the innocent populace of B.net? There's only really been one different class of member while I've been at B.net; Theme Master. They aren't any different then before they were Theme Masters though, and they certainly arent a group of snobby elitist jerks. But did they get rewarded? Yes. I's a bit jealous that I don't have my own avatar. Am I angry that they have one and I don't though? Hardly. They earned it. I didn't. Fair and square. I'm pretty sure that's how everyone on this site feels about it too. Doesn't seem like a lot of elitism to me. And guess what? More and more people submitted their own themes. It's a win-win. Bungie gets themes, they get custom avatars.
They all build their own prestige long before they submitted a theme. But does that mean they don't appreciate something nice as a reward? I doubt it.

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  • 09.04.2006 8:58 PM PDT
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I've been around these parts for almost eight years now...wow! Maybe I should be concerned about that...

Quite often the Theme Masters are to mature for that, because they are usuaully older or smarter (no offence) then others, if they can understand the theme builder so well.

But opening this to the public in the form of post number not only encourages elitism on a small scale, but also bad posts. For instance, lets say the ranks are:

Member-1-500 posts

Veteran Member-501-2000 posts

Oldschool Member-2000+

This would encourage some newer members, who think that they must validate themselves somehow, to post as many threads and replies as they can to get to 500. While this encourages activity, it also encourages lesser quality of posts. Some would miss the point of rewarding those who contribute more to the community and stick around and just think that posts are the most important thing ever, titles proving their importance. This would breed false elitism, feed spam attacks, and lead to a general decline in post quality due to the rush to get the most posts.

  • 09.04.2006 9:30 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

No. Everyone here, so far as I saw, agreed that any sort of post counter wouldn't work. And it sounds to me like to Theme Masters aren't raising themselves up on a pedistal, but the members are. I bet they're getting a kick out of it. Let me ask you this; what makes them smarter and older and wise beyond their years? Certainly not just because they can understand the Theme Builder. They were just determined to make a great theme, which they made, and were rewarded. They're all normal members, but they have an avatar. It would work, if people would just give it a chance. And even if it didn't, it would be fun to try.



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  • 09.05.2006 1:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pink Menace
It would work, if people would just give it a chance. And even if it didn't, it would be fun to try.


Would it be fun? Maybe. Would it work? I personally doubt it. You see, we're not here to "rank up" or gain any special recognition here. The purpose of this site is to discuss Halo (because that's what Bungie is all about right now, yippee!) and nothing more. This isn't a Forum RPG or anything like that. For the older members, your memories and experiences with this site should be enough of a reward.

You have no prestige over other users. You are not your post count. You are not your join date. There is enough ego on this website as it is without users looking for excuses to look down on other members.

I agree with this statement. We are who we are. We are known who we are through the quality of our posts. Not text color or avatars, and not titles. The only titles that should matter are those of the Employees and the Forum Ninjas. Other titles aren't necessary, because we're all equal.

  • 09.05.2006 5:47 AM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

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Posted by: Pink Menace
It would work, if people would just give it a chance. And even if it didn't, it would be fun to try.


Would it be fun? Maybe. Would it work? I personally doubt it. You see, we're not here to "rank up" or gain any special recognition here. The purpose of this site is to discuss Halo (because that's what Bungie is all about right now, yippee!) and nothing more. This isn't a Forum RPG or anything like that. For the older members, your memories and experiences with this site should be enough of a reward.

You have no prestige over other users. You are not your post count. You are not your join date. There is enough ego on this website as it is without users looking for excuses to look down on other members.

I agree with this statement. We are who we are. We are known who we are through the quality of our posts. Not text color or avatars, and not titles. The only titles that should matter are those of the Employees and the Forum Ninjas. Other titles aren't necessary, because we're all equal.


But we aren't all equal, and that's my point. A member who, say, makes an incredible theme isn't the same as a spammer who makes everyone miserable. The latter is *completely* worthless here. It's not color of our skin or join date or post count that makes us unequal, but how much we contribute. I see no reason to deprive the most commited and helpful members of something as simple as a title or an avatar because other people might get a bit jealous. Again, you all chose to ignore the one example that we have on this site, that has no problems. Theme Masters. Show me a post where a Theme Master used his rank to degrade another member. If you can, I'll give this up. You won't find one, because they realize that they got their title as a reward. It's not permanant, and if Achronos sees them abusing it he'll take it away as soon as he gave it to them.

EDIT: Wait, wait, wait. The purpose of this site is to discuss Halo and nothing more? You can't be farther from the truth. WHy does the Flood exist then? Why does this exist, if we're only allowed to discuss Halo? Why does the Underground exist? There is so much more to this site then Halo. Why do groups exist? So we can discuss what we want to. So we can discuss things that aren't Halo.

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Well I see myself no different from the next guy, even if it's a spammer. I see myself no better than someone who isn't as active as some, and I see myself no less than an older member.

We are all equal because on this site we have no rights. Using this site isn't a right, it's a privilege. There are employees who are paid to maintain this site, and volunteers who run the forums. That's what I meant when I say this site is about Halo. We have one forum for off-topic discussions (and that topic is Halo) and one dedicated to improving the site. Other than that, the purpose of this place existing is for Halo/Halo 2/Halo 3. And discussing them on the forums is why we have members and people on volunteer duty to keep us in line.

So I see no reason to have titles. Elitism aside, it would be useless. Because at the end of the day, we're all just text and avatars. Sure, there will be some names who people recognize, and some who have contributed to the site enough to earn a custom avatar, but in the end, it's all irrelevant.

We're here for Halo discussion, and occasional humor and tomfoolery. We don't need anything to earn prestige above the rest.

  • 09.05.2006 8:02 AM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Well I see myself no different from the next guy, even if it's a spammer. I see myself no better than someone who isn't as active as some, and I see myself no less than an older member.

We are all equal because on this site we have no rights. Using this site isn't a right, it's a privilege. There are employees who are paid to maintain this site, and volunteers who run the forums. That's what I meant when I say this site is about Halo. We have one forum for off-topic discussions (and that topic is Halo) and one dedicated to improving the site. Other than that, the purpose of this place existing is for Halo/Halo 2/Halo 3. And discussing them on the forums is why we have members and people on volunteer duty to keep us in line.

So I see no reason to have titles. Elitism aside, it would be useless. Because at the end of the day, we're all just text and avatars. Sure, there will be some names who people recognize, and some who have contributed to the site enough to earn a custom avatar, but in the end, it's all irrelevant.

We're here for Halo discussion, and occasional humor and tomfoolery. We don't need anything to earn prestige above the rest.


No. You're wrong. Halo is just something else that can be discussed here. So is Myth. So is Half Life. So is anything you want, as long as it isn't crude or offensive. This forum is not for Halo. Is Halo a very popular subject, yes. So popular, in fact, that it has several of its own forums. Why are there groups though? So we can talk about things other then Halo. Why is the Flood here? Why is the Septagon here? Certainly not to talk about Halo. And yes, we are all equal because we have no rights, but we are also unequal. If a person posts a shock site and a person replies warning everyone not to click the link, who is the better person? The latter. The one who took it upon himself to make sure other people didn't have to see the site. They aren't equal. One is wrong, one is right. One is good, one is bad. How are they equal? One person is one everyone on the forum would be more then happy to do away with, one is a person who everyone is glad sticks around. They aren't equal at all.
Now look at it this way. Someone comes up with a brilliant idea for the site, an idea so great that Achronos implements it. Someone else just sits around and enjoys himself in the forums, occasionally breaking a rule, probably unintentionally though. The person who contributed to making the experience better for everyone is better then the person who did not. Now I'm not talking in term of character, I'm talking in terms of their role as a member of the forums. One enjoys the forums, but the other put effort into making it a better place. Why should they be rewarded the same?
And please, for the love of God, stop saying everyone is here for Halo. I sure as hell am not. I sold my copy of Halo 2. It didn't really intrest me much anymore. It's all the same. I'd pick Myth any day. Hell, I'd pick Starcraft over it. I'd pick Oblivion over it. But I'm still here, so I'm obviously not here for Halo.

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  • 09.05.2006 8:59 AM PDT
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I'll change my statement to the majority of this site is for Halo, because you're right in that not everyone here is a Halo player. So yes, you're correct in that statement.

However, I still disagree with the statement that we aren't all equal. A wise man once told me that we're all seen as text and avatar. Nothing more. The only people that aren't on the same wavelength as the members are the moderators and employees. Everyone else is the same.

Want to know why? I've seen interesting threads made, FAQ's created, games organized, and even a group database made by members. The result? They get credit, yes. But they get no reward. Now there are spammers who come off of blacklists, and at the end of the day, that spammer and the beneficial member are seen as one in the same.

The reason we're all equal is because no one has a right to look down on others. I know a particular spammer who keeps making accounts on here, and I continue to reach out and help him because as a community member, we're the same. I don't consider myself "better" than him. Just because I don't spam doesn't give me a right to. Why? Because it's a forum.

None of my posts will amount to anything. None of "check the classifieds" or "this may be better in New Mombasa" will garner me a reward. Heck, I just PM'ed a new member on how to change his avatar to his liking. Now do I deserve a reward? I don't think so. Do I want one? No. Because I'm not here for that. I'm here to talk about Halo and the Bungie community. I don't care that any "good deeds" go un-noticed. Because what matters is what I (Iceman) think about myself. And I like the way I post. I like helping people when others flame them. I like recommending not to quote that big pyramid, or to try and stop an arguement. Why? Because I like this site. I enjoy the camaderie that comes with being a member. And I like the way I'm able to blend in with others and not attract too much attention.

We honestly don't need titles. Because even though people may see me as someone who posts differently from the average spammer, I don't consider myself better. Because I'm not. We're all just members here. We have volunteers to help us, and employees to maintain the site.

That's all that matters.

*is blinded by all the Srgt. Johnson avatars* LoL

  • 09.05.2006 9:26 AM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Well I guess this is one issue we disagree on then. We're both repeating ourselves, and it doesn't look like either of us is willing to give up. It was fun debating though :)

  • 09.05.2006 9:50 AM PDT
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Always up for discussion ^_^

This page will be the official "Srgt. Johnson Avatar" page, LoL

  • 09.05.2006 10:00 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
This page will be the official "Srgt. Johnson Avatar" page, LoL


Not anymore! Dun-dun-dun....

  • 09.05.2006 12:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
This page will be the official "Srgt. Johnson Avatar" page, LoL


Not anymore! Dun-dun-dun....


You killed it!

LoL

  • 09.05.2006 1:02 PM PDT
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Judge people by the content of their posts, not by something by their name.

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Allow me to reiterate (I'm bored).

I still side with Pink. Since all this is a forum (right?) all we have is what we post, no more, no less. If what Iceman does is help, and what davester does is spam, that's all we have. A spammer, and a helpful, awesome guy. If we put them on the same plane , people, such as myself and Pink, will see a difference. We see that Iceman deserves reward and davester doesn't. If Iceman gets it, no one sees a problem, seeing as he deserves it.

Now, about the abuse issue. If Iceman had the title, and was having a discussion with Pink as before, and they were just repeating themselves as before, would Iceman use his title as grounds for his case? No, because he's not like that. That's how get got his title, by not being like that. No one who would get it would use it for leverage, that wouldn't be cool. So, right there, the title can't be automatic, like Member Since date or post count. Perhaps a group of bored mods could make a list, send it to Achronos, he would set the titles for those users, ect. The point is, it'd take a WHILE.

Now, I don't want people that stating your title as a personal enhancer is always bad. If Iceman were to be in a situation with a horrid, and stupid, spammer, one claiming to know it all or something. Probably new, too. You know the type. Anyhoo, would Iceman say "See this *awesome title name*? I got this because I know a thing or two. Maybe you should take heed and look out, lest you may be banned for *dreadful rule infraction.*?" Quite possibly (well, maybe not Iceman). The point is, if I were to see this person tell me this, I might think "Well, hey, this person is evidently above the rest, and probably isn't lying." Something like that, at least. I know I'd take heed. At the very least, I'd listen more than if a title-less person told me the same in all lowercase.

Anyways, it's a good idea. It'd take a while to impliment, since it couldn't be automatic, but it's a good idea. It would keep members from leaving out of boredom, because they could aspire to get this title, unlike unrealistically aspiring for one of they few titles like Moderator or Theme Master. The title would be a realistic, awesome goal. A nice little feature, you know?

  • 09.05.2006 1:34 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Posted by: Teh Flood Ruler
Everyone is "created" equal...stick to that!


Excatly. We're all created equal. Later, once we start to do things with ourselves, well then the scales start to tip. If I cure cancer and you spend tax dollars because you need rehab for your little [insert drug here] "habit", who's the better person? Me. 'Cause I rawk.

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Posted by: Shishka

You have no prestige over other users. You are not your post count. You are not your join date.



"...You are not how much money you have in the bank, you are not your f-ing khakies..."


If you want a 'special' title, you can always make a new group theme and try to get it accepted...although a looooong shot- it is possible.

  • 09.05.2006 7:38 PM PDT

Hell with titles. If you are an active member in this community. Or in any other community across these forums your standing is known among your fellow members.
Elitism aside. Your importance among the community is the content of your posts, and how how are you judged on them.
You are a spammer? You are hated. You are a contributing member that has helpful posts furthering the site and the development of the comunity, you will be well liked and gratified for this.
There is absolutely NO need for post counters, membership dates, titles, or "rewards", as you are known for what you do and who you are.
I even thought Theme Master was a bit inane.

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There's really no need for anything. Certainly not a search feature. Certainly not these nice blue forums. We could get by with just white. But we have them, and it's nice. It's an improvement over the "old hotness." Titles, membership dates, and all such things are improvements. They make things more fun. That's what this forum thing is about, fun. Sure, some people - Iceman, Mr. Byrne - can get along without that, and props to them for it. But others would like titles, myself included. What I was trying to do in my above post was show that titles and rewards are not negative things. They may not be needed, but if the means to create them came about, they shouldn't, by any means, by omitted.

  • 09.06.2006 2:33 PM PDT

Eh. Kinda bad. Veteran Members would become major elitists and go crazy with a new "rank". Not to mention, there would be a major spam fest to get Active Member.

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I've been around these parts for almost eight years now...wow! Maybe I should be concerned about that...

Yes...the post count was in effect during 2003. That was removed for obvious reasons. The community was even smaller then than it is now, and the post count is nothing compared to user titles. If the smaller community of 03 couldn't handle a simple post count, I doubt the swollen mobs of Halo 2 and Halo 3 fan boys can handle user titles.

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Posted by: PVT Caboose
Eh. Kinda bad. Veteran Members would become major elitists and go crazy with a new "rank". Not to mention, there would be a major spam fest to get Active Member.


Who says the title has to relate to your "Member Since" date?

EDIT: And post count?

Those are bad ideas. A karma system, aye, there's the rub.

[Edited on 9/6/2006]

  • 09.06.2006 2:49 PM PDT
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I've been around these parts for almost eight years now...wow! Maybe I should be concerned about that...

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Posted by: PVT Caboose
Eh. Kinda bad. Veteran Members would become major elitists and go crazy with a new "rank". Not to mention, there would be a major spam fest to get Active Member.


Who says the title has to relate to your "Member Since" date?
What would it relate to, then?

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