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An idea of mine was to change the Classifieds to general advertising, and have it open for discussion. You'd be able to post home-made YTMNDs, Photoshop art, and stuff like that.

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Tokyopop also doesn't have the millions of users that Bungie.net does, therefore, this site cannot support all the same features that that site has becuase of the traffic here. And really, that site is TOO much. It's very hard to see what's what, which is quite the opposite on b.net. Everything is easy to find, and the Forums are much easier to read and navigate than other forums that I've seen.

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Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
An idea of mine was to change the Classifieds to general advertising, and have it open for discussion. You'd be able to post home-made YTMNDs, Photoshop art, and stuff like that.


I like that idea. It would make the classifieds more useful and interesting.

Posted by: Wuyie
I would like to see the site open up and allow more none Halo related things because it seems that alot of pple on here know each other and generally enjoy alot of the same stuff...however I dont see that happening as Bungie tends to control its forum page...Tokyopop publishes manga but is interested also in promoting the "manga lifestyle" and all things manga related, whether it be games, art, clothes or what have you...Bungie doesnt seem to be goin that route...


The private groups and the Flood are the location of the non-Bungie related discussions. There are thousands of groups and many of them have themes that are not at all related to Bungie.

The Underground could include all Bungie related topics not covered in the other forums: graphic novel, novels, fanfics, etc . . .

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Tokyopop also doesn't have the millions of users that Bungie.net does, therefore, this site cannot support all the same features that that site has becuase of the traffic here. And really, that site is TOO much. It's very hard to see what's what, which is quite the opposite on b.net. Everything is easy to find, and the Forums are much easier to read and navigate than other forums that I've seen.


The first part of this post i answered in another thread...The old "just cause it works there doesnt mean it works here because it has more traffic"...if you think Tokyopop doesnt have heavy traffic, i have to say i dont agree..but traffic isnt the point as alot of sites get MUCH more traffic than Bungie and have mroe options than just blogs...Like is ais before I understand the reasons why its not implemented but i know for sure they are not logistical...as for the second part about Tokyopop being hard to navugate thats an opinion but then remember that up until recently this site didnt have a search engine to look through the forums AT ALL....

You seem to dislike this site and it's Forums greatly. I don't see why Bungie.net needs all this extra garbage, all of which would slow things down here greatly. It's not needed.

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Posted by: Wuyie
I would like to see the site open up and allow more none Halo related things because it seems that alot of pple on here know each other and generally enjoy alot of the same stuff...however I dont see that happening as Bungie tends to control its forum page...Tokyopop publishes manga but is interested also in promoting the "manga lifestyle" and all things manga related, whether it be games, art, clothes or what have you...Bungie doesnt seem to be goin that route...


LOLLERFLOOD.

Wake up, dude. There's more to this site than you're giving it credit for.

Besides that, this is a website for Bungie and it's games, not somewhere to display and talk about anime. Silly.

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I would also like to see:

1. Advanced options on the search
2. Active voting booth
3. Active gallery
4. A few text color options
5. More avatars
6. More themes


Agreed on 1, 5, and 6. 2 and 3 I could care less about now. And 4 would be good, but we both know it won't ever happen. But it would be cool if we could have it.

I actually like the forums as they are. If they weren't changed, I would be just fine.
More themes will come in time. From a few 'hints', I have come to the conclusion that the format (layout) of the chapters will be changing, so much so that they are not accepting new themes. My interpretation only.

Don't go spreading that around, it isn't official so there is no sense in doing so. It is only official if it comes from the Horse's mouth (Achronos). Infact, I'd prefer that it be kept on the 'down-low' so people don't start raving on about it.

REMEMBER: It is NOT official unless Achronos says it is coming, and he hasn't. So, until he says something about it, just think of it as a Halo 3 theory.

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Tokyopop also doesn't have the millions of users that Bungie.net does, therefore, this site cannot support all the same features that that site has becuase of the traffic here. And really, that site is TOO much. It's very hard to see what's what, which is quite the opposite on b.net. Everything is easy to find, and the Forums are much easier to read and navigate than other forums that I've seen.


The first part of this post i answered in another thread...The old "just cause it works there doesnt mean it works here because it has more traffic"...if you think Tokyopop doesnt have heavy traffic, i have to say i dont agree..but traffic isnt the point as alot of sites get MUCH more traffic than Bungie and have mroe options than just blogs...Like is ais before I understand the reasons why its not implemented but i know for sure they are not logistical...as for the second part about Tokyopop being hard to navugate thats an opinion but then remember that up until recently this site didnt have a search engine to look through the forums AT ALL....

You seem to dislike this site and it's Forums greatly. I don't see why Bungie.net needs all this extra garbage, all of which would slow things down here greatly. It's not needed.
He isn't asking what the site needs. He is asking what we want in the site. The old 'site doesn't need it' is getting very much so, old.

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He isn't asking what the site needs. He is asking what we want in the site. The old 'site doesn't need it' is getting very much so, old.


And I think Muno is saying that if the site doesn't need it, he doesn't want it. I'd tend to agree with him. I don't want to see something like blogs on this site. If someone wants to put up blogs, they could easily create a group, or put it somewhere else and put a link in their signature. There's a certain beauty in simplicity. Bells and whistles sometimes overcomplicate things

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I would like to see the site open up and allow more none Halo related things because it seems that alot of pple on here know each other and generally enjoy alot of the same stuff...however I dont see that happening as Bungie tends to control its forum page...Tokyopop publishes manga but is interested also in promoting the "manga lifestyle" and all things manga related, whether it be games, art, clothes or what have you...Bungie doesnt seem to be goin that route...


LOLL ERFLOOD.

Wake up, dude. There's more to this site than you're giving it credit for.

Besides that, this is a website for Bungie and it's games, not somewhere to display and talk about anime. Silly.


If any want to talk about anime or any other topic, create your own group. With your own group you have full control. Bungie.net offers a lot of options.

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This seems a bit of a moot conversation, there is actually a stickied forum feedback thread.

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Wuyie, you don't have to.

If you look Here.

Below each forum tells you what goes there. The stickies are more or less for the specifics. If you don't like a website or forum, even though everyone else can seem to navigate it just fine, then don't come here.

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Posted by: Wuyie
You do understand that even if their were blogs on this site you could....CHOOSE NOT TO READ THEM...Im not sure how you view the site but im not held at gunpoint and forced to read every minute section of it...the OPTION to have certain things here would be nice...


Yes...and you could also choose to make or join a group dedicated to letting members talk about anything they want. I'm not held at gunpoint to make sure I don't make or join groups that allow myself and like-minded members to discuss things that are not allowed on the main forums and follow the CoC.

And I have no idea who these "some people" are, since I navigate the forums easily. I can scan the first pages of all the forums I visit in a couple of minutes.

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Posted by: Wuyie
I would like to see the site open up and allow more none Halo related things because it seems that alot of pple on here know each other and generally enjoy alot of the same stuff...however I dont see that happening as Bungie tends to control its forum page...Tokyopop publishes manga but is interested also in promoting the "manga lifestyle" and all things manga related, whether it be games, art, clothes or what have you...Bungie doesnt seem to be goin that route...


I appreciate what you're trying to do, but I think you're going about it the wrong way.

I did in fact look up Tokyopop so that I could have some foundation to make a point on. My point is that yes, although a site like Tokyopop does offer you a wealth of options, its scope is broad and its audience varied. To a degree I'd say they offer too much granularity in their choices; does the community need or benefit from separate forums for "Films and Television", "Music", "Novels", etc. when a simple "Manga in Multimedia" (or some other applicable title) would do just fine and allow all users interested in those topics to stay in one general area? Bungie doesn't seem to think so, at least in terms of their own products. That's why we don't have individual forums for each level of campaign or multiplayer, etc.

I noticed you talking about Bungie controlling its forum (as well as your comments about blogs, etc.) Again, you're right; this isn't a blog, but I think you're misunderstanding what B.NET is actually for. This site is a Bungie fan-site (albeit one maintained by Bungie themselves) for people who are interested in the company and the games they've produced. It has always been and remains clear on that point, and is organized and controlled as such. Bungie has no requirement to "open up" and allow non-Halo related things; quite frankly, they do anyway. The Flood is for general nonsense, and there are boards for discussion of other older Bungie games (such as gnop, Marathon, PID, Myth). You have all the options you need to discuss anything appropriate to this site's purpose.

Tokyopop keeps coming up in your examples of a "good" website and forum set up; assuming I know nothing of the site or anime, manga, and so on, Tokyopop fails immediately on loading. What is it? Where do I go? What do I do? Why should I care at all? Is this a company site? There's SO much immediate content, and even more further in that it reminds me of a child's toy chest; full of shiny, colorful things but haphazardly thrown together. And I imagine that as busy as the site is in terms of content, it's not easy for non-broadband users to view it comfortably.

You also made comments about this site not having a search feature until recently; I have to ask, how many times have you really used it? Or will you ever? Is it such a critical feature to your navigation and enjoyment of B.NET that the site should be criticized for getting it now, or another site like Tokyopop should be held up as a comparison for a "good" site because they had it earlier?

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Posted by: Wuyie
Good points all around...I stressed Pop's site as an example perhaps too much, I was just loooking for a site that was somewhat similiar in nature to Bungie in terms of being run and operated by a company hoping to promote their products by providing tools to internet users who are involved in the "lifestyle" their product is targeted at...I by all means dont think EVERY option provided by Pop is necessary or wanted on here but I find their idea of broadening the scope of options they provide users to interact with and share media with to be something thaty would go over well here...many times you find users who want to share a piece of art they produced...or share a site that they found or just talk about things other than Halo but they find it somewhat difficult to just post a site address for example...I have mentioned before that I understand the reasons behind this forum...It is an excellent tool to discuss past and future products from Bungie and to promote the company brand and generate word of mouth...I believe Pop's site is an example of a company hoping todo the samething but in a somewhat more...subtle and stealthy way by not just focusing on THEIR product but instead targeting the lifestyle that revolves around that product and the nature of net users...concerning the search engine I brought it up because as i stated before taking into consideration the impact search engines have on the net and the amount of traffic this site has it was surprising that this was not put in at an earlier date in some shape form or fashion...as recurring theme amongst users in the past was the want to find old topics they had seen or created and when not being able to do so without flipping manually page by page just creating a "new" topic which would, ironically, anger the mod's because it led to alot of clutter and confusion...the engine is servicable but honestly ANY engine would have been an improvement in comparison to the old system...


That's fair enough, but I think the reason for the difference lies in the fact that Bungie is not trying to promote the FPS genre as a whole, as opposed to TokyoPop which is broadly aiming at anime and manga in general. Bungie does actually have outlets for all these things as well, although they are used primarily by a smaller niche' of the community. But that's the key element: this community exists primarily as a place for people who enjoy Halo and Halo 2 to talk, compete, or just read what others have to say if they so desire. It would make very little sense to have "Gears of War Forum" underneath "Halo 3 Forum" on the list ;)

The audience for a site like Tokyopop is naturally going to be more artistically inclined (yes, I'm making a generalization here, but bear with me on this one.) As such, it makes sense for them to have ways for users to post art, videos, songs or whatever to the site directly; does the Bungie community really need those options? How many fan pics of Mister Chief can you really tolerate when Frankie gives us a professional one every week??

I think the bottom line to this is that the intelligent thing for Bungie to do (and what they've done so far) is to cater to the widest possible audience they can in terms of this site, its navigation and its features. That's the source of things being organized the way they are; it's intuitive, color-coded and obvious. There are no more than a handful of stickies in any board, and just enough moderators to keep the place clean without crowding it. I think that the suggestions you're making are geared towards your own personal perferences as far as what this site should offer; that's fine, but it's important to make the distinction that this site exists for what is best for the community, and some of your ideas unfortunately do not fit that requirement at all.

I appreciate you taking the time to actually respond and not taking this as a personal attack on you; change is always worth debating, but with a critical eye for the larger picture.

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