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God that sucks. I really wanted to try that.

  • 09.10.2006 2:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: MASTER CHEIF 100
...i hope not

Unfortunately, it's a true fact. It likely won't happen. Face it, deal with it, move on with your life. And do you even have C&C Generals and the hardware to play it?

  • 09.10.2006 3:42 PM PDT
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Microsoft is evidently keeping the field clear in case they wish to or are already planning to do a Halo RTS.

What I find odd is this. Halo is a FPS. Halogen is a RTS. They don't directly compete, but Microsoft pulled the plug on it, but gave permission for Project Torlan, which is the Halo mod for Unreal seen in my sig, which IS a shooter, which does compete with Halo. They also let Home Front do Battlefield Halo, which is yet another shooter.

  • 09.10.2006 8:10 PM PDT

I hate to say this, but, get a life! I wasn't liek this when Star trek enterprise was cancelled. I wasn't like this when halo zero got cancelled. But, halogen had it coming. They didn't ask, and even if they did and no answer, THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T DO THE DAMn THING!

  • 09.10.2006 8:24 PM PDT
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We get it. Microsoft exercised their legal powers to have this thing stopped. It's their legal right, to be sure. A derivative work that could have theorectical consequences for their well-being, if no practical ones. One could consider it a brilliant victory for the intellectual property movement.

Microsoft is still in the wrong, the moral wrong, which cannot be argued down by any number of lawyers. Saying "its the law" doesn't make it right, it only makes it real.

And yes, there is nothing we can do. But we can make known our displeasure, in our own small way, and take heart in the fact that *we* know it's wrong to destroy a harmless product of admiration and devotion.

I salute the Halogen team for their efforts, and doubly so for their gracious acquiescence. And I salute everyone who recognized Microsoft's act for the *true* injustice that it was, who did not argue the violation of the law, but the violation of its spirit.

I pray Bungie had nothing to do with this, although I feel the need to remind TPTB that inaction is just as great an affront as action.

  • 09.11.2006 2:06 AM PDT
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Question:
What if HaloGen was restarted from scratch, with a different name, creating all the material again from scratch, this time with permission? Technically, would that be possible?

  • 09.11.2006 5:05 AM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Halo can only take M$ and Bungie so far. They have managed to stretch out a single game into 3...and the jury is still out on 2.

Microsoft would have been wise to do a deal with these guys, instead of threatening legal action. When you piss off the community that you are making games for, you are really hurting yourself for no reason.

There is the famous Simpsons episode where Homer starts an internet company and Gates shows up to "buy him out." A couple of brawny nerds smashes his house to bits instead. This is the image of M$ out there. Perception is reality.

  • 09.11.2006 12:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Spartan04
We get it. Microsoft exercised their legal powers to have this thing stopped. It's their legal right, to be sure. A derivative work that could have theorectical consequences for their well-being, if no practical ones. One could consider it a brilliant victory for the intellectual property movement.

Microsoft is still in the wrong, the moral wrong, which cannot be argued down by any number of lawyers. Saying "its the law" doesn't make it right, it only makes it real.

And yes, there is nothing we can do. But we can make known our displeasure, in our own small way, and take heart in the fact that *we* know it's wrong to destroy a harmless product of admiration and devotion.

I salute the Halogen team for their efforts, and doubly so for their gracious acquiescence. And I salute everyone who recognized Microsoft's act for the *true* injustice that it was, who did not argue the violation of the law, but the violation of its spirit.

I pray Bungie had nothing to do with this, although I feel the need to remind TPTB that inaction is just as great an affront as action.


I don't know if I can agree with you that is is breaking the bounds of moral law. If you want to speak about moral law, you might quote a Commandment, such as "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods."

Goods, it may be assumed, includes physical items. Microsoft owns the rights to it- and I am sure you, or anyone else on this forum, would be upset if someone took your ideas without asking. Is it somewhat disappointing? Yes. But, it falls within their moral right. They own the concepts, the story, the ideas. They own the characters that Eric Nylund creates for his books. It's their stuff. I trust that they will maintain the integrity of the universe and provide us with more games and stories for it.

I feel bad for the HALOgen guys- they took a gamble and it didn't work out. I don't blame Microsoft for protecting their IP, nor the HALOgen guys for giving it a shot. That's just the way the world works.

  • 09.11.2006 12:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Apoc the stunter
Recon Numer 54 and Shishka pwn.

dude, seriously. No one is trying to "pwn" anyone.

No one "wins" a discussion. We talk, we listen, we exchange viewpoints. No winners and the only people who lose are those who refuse to listen.

By saying something like that, you risk making someone feel as if they need to "strike back" and that turns a discussion into an argument.

Please don't. Please?
And by saying that you totally just WTF pwned Apoc as well! XD

OK not really... just kidding. :P

  • 09.11.2006 3:05 PM PDT

-GtG-

It's really a shame that Halogen had to be cancelled. I'm a huge fan of the Haloverse and C&C style RTS gameplay, and I've been looking forward to this project for a couple of years now.

I just can't understand why. 1up thinks there might be a 1st or 2nd party Halo RTS on the horizon, so they didn't want competition. This makes sense to a certain point -- until you consider Star Wars.

George Lucas lets fans make all kinds of Star Wars fan material, including fanfic, movies, and games and mods -- as long as they only give it away for free. Does this diminish the value of the Star Wars franchise? Or, conversely, does all the fan activity help to get more people involved in the Star Wars universe, and spend even MORE money on Star Wars? What if someone was averse to first-person shooters, but an avid RTS fan. Someone pointed him to Halogen, and he was hooked on the fiction of the universe. Woudn't that person now be more likely to buy the novels, give Halo 1&2 a chance, and wait in line to see the film on opening day? Even IF there is an official Halo RTS on the way, how would competition from the fan community be a problem? Again, look at the countless PC mods that lovingly recreate the Star Wars universe...there's even a Star Wars mod for C&C Generals that competes DIRECTLY with Empire at War!

Besides, how is Halogen any different than Red vs. Blue? Sure, now they're the darlings of Bungie, and even get to make money off of what they do, but it wasn't that way from the beginning. Can you imagine if MS's lawyers had done this to our favorite web series? What would the state of machinema be?

It's just a shame. A crying shame. What are they thinking?

  • 09.13.2006 6:38 PM PDT
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They aren't. That's the entire point.

  • 09.13.2006 8:03 PM PDT

Got-dang, how old was that signature?

And I cant believe I found out through a Spartan OneOneSe7en comic. Im still wonderin why does a non profit modification for a game from EA by a small group of people counts as infrigement. Maybe everyone who made a modifacations based on Halo for other games should be sued. Heck why don't they sue RvB for makin money of a Microsoft product? Maybe the game just looked so damn good.

This is just one Promo Trailer off YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1ObmUbS7IM

I bet Bungie or Microsoft is thinking about makin an RTS, but why cancel it when it was SO close to finished. Bungie has known about it for a LONG time, I believe since early 2005 people posted about it. So why cancel it now, when those people have worked so hard for so long?

  • 09.13.2006 9:21 PM PDT
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Boy, I'm going to miss Halogen. That was going to be my reason for buying C&C. No more. =(


Halogen is dead. Long live Halogen.

  • 09.14.2006 4:33 PM PDT
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HaloGen FTW!

  • 09.14.2006 4:36 PM PDT

-GtG-

There's some great clarification on Slashdot here. I never thought about the fact that since Halo is a GAME ip, they might have a problem with someone else making a game out of it.

Also, it seems sort of silly that they would expect to pitch it to Microsoft. They should have just approached it as a fan project and left it at that. Hindsight is 20/20, right?

-GtG-

[Edited on 9/14/2006]

  • 09.14.2006 8:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gropo the Great
There's some great clarification on Slashdot here. I never thought about the fact that since Halo is a GAME ip, they might have a problem with someone else making a game out of it.


This doesn't explain why Project Torlan and Battlefield Halo were allowed to proceed.


Also, it seems sort of silly that they would expect to pitch it to Microsoft. They should have just approached it as a fan project and left it at that. Hindsight is 20/20, right?

-GtG-


Anuban DID pitch Torlan to Microsoft. He not only got permission to go ahead, but permission to rip all the content from Halo PC and Halo CE. The only restriction was no ripping of Halo 2 content.

Seeing a Banshee soaring throught the skies in the detail and resolution that Unreal Engine 2.5 can supply makes me really, really, really angry at what a POS port Halo PC was.

I cry for how badly the PC gaming community was shafted.

Hell once Unreal 2007 is out there will be a new campaign called Spartan7 built using the UE 3 engine.

Like I said, it's baffling to me that they'd give explicit permission for Halo content on another FPS platform that happens to have a much superior engine to boot.

  • 09.15.2006 9:40 AM PDT
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halo for unreal engine, and battlefield 1942 engine respectivly.

  • 09.15.2006 11:18 AM PDT
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from Project Torlan located m-hea

http://torlan.dragonstarelite.com/

You can get more Halo like weapons from the Ballistics Weapons Mod located at:

http://www.runestorm.za.net/

NOTE: I use version 1.5 of Ballistic weapons. The new version has a "drunk walk" feature that basically makes it absolutely impossible to hit anything while you are moving. While realistict, it sucks gameplay wise.

The Halo Shield mutator

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=9149 86&sid=6091962&mode=mods

I usually play with No Adrenaline and Gamespeed = 70% to give it a Halo feel.

The nice thing about Unreal Tournament 2004 is that it is hella cheap, and there are hundreds of maps and weapons for it.

  • 09.15.2006 7:11 PM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are. You are destiny.

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  • 09.15.2006 8:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: lpjuunin
It basically means Microsoft is the same as my younger cousin. Spoiled, rich, stupid, and ignorant. We hate you Microsoft, we truly, truly, hate you.


Don't be a moron, Its was a cool mod but they used copyrighted matierals. Also, Microsoft isn't that greedy at all. Bill Gates donates millions if not billions to charity every year. Its their fault it got shut down.

  • 09.15.2006 9:03 PM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are. You are destiny.

Posted by: MASTER CHEIF 100
me neither...
maybe Microsoft is losing it?

i mean come on

just because they are coming out with something that slightly RESEMBLES the game...they ask for they to close it

they had enough stuff ADDED to it so that they COULDNT do anything...like they changed names, added more vehicles people, buildings, and yet Microsoft BEAT THEM DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey hey hey, wait just a moment. Slightly resemble? They used every detail from the original Halo franchise made by Bungie Studios, and said it was made by Halogen. And adding "more vehicles people, buildings" doesn't mean it's not copyright infrigement. It's more or less like plegiarism(I do not know how to spell this word correctly, so mind my mistake.), and correct me if I'm wrong, which I may be.

  • 09.15.2006 9:22 PM PDT