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There's still repeat threads poping up all over the place. Cant the mods like look at every thread and make sticky on it and post it in a thread?

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  • 09.10.2006 11:35 AM PDT
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I added more on to it recon.

  • 09.10.2006 11:37 AM PDT

The search feature works fine, it's the people feature that is broken.

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  • 09.10.2006 11:39 AM PDT
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People will still make repeat threads if they don't use the search first. Bungie.net can't make people search for topics before they create one. It just the same as people who speed, the indicator is there for anyone to see, but people still disregard it all the time. There's no reason why it wouldn't happen here to.

  • 09.10.2006 11:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
The search feature works fine, it's the people feature that is broken.

LOL, true but like I said cant the mods go through all the pages in each forum and sticky certain threads and delete the others and put them into 1 big thread like there is in the H3 forum. I dont care if there is over 400 posts that are stickied. Just as long as people stop posting the same crap over and over again when there is a nice long page of stickies that you can add you comment there.

  • 09.10.2006 11:44 AM PDT

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u want mods to go through every thread?

In total there are 14296 pages of threads on the public forums, each page is 25 threads.

There is 357400 threads on the public forums.

Have fun I guess.

  • 09.10.2006 11:48 AM PDT
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I would probably be one of those unhappy members. I don't make many topics anyway, but if I did that might get annoying. I don't think the repeat topic threads are much of a problem. I'm used to them I guess, so they would annoy me less than the aforementioned idea. but keep thinking out of the box recon, it never hurts to throw the idea out there.

Maybe if that only happened when new users create their first 5 new topics or something to that affect. I could see that working.

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  • 09.10.2006 11:52 AM PDT
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What im trying to say is when somebody wants to create a new topic it should automaticly take them to a page with all the stickies on it and if the person who wants to make a new topic doesn't see a thread already talking about his issue than they can go ahead and post a new thread. :)

  • 09.10.2006 11:53 AM PDT

It could be abused by intentional spammers though, but it could help a bit.

  • 09.10.2006 11:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
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There is an idea percolating in my head.... and I think that I like it. Let me put it out and see what others think.

What about making the link for the "new topic" button actually link to the search function and the page instructs a member how to search for the subject that they are about to create a thread about. When the search has been completed, they either click on an existing thread or a dialog at the bottom that says "were you unable to find an existing thread?" If the member answers "no", then they get the create thread page.

What do you think? It would add another layer to the process of creating new threads, but would encourage and increase use of the search feature. There would be unhappy members though.

Kinda but I kinda summed it up for you my way. Me and you are on the same page.

So you see what I meant is have the mods, 1 mod per forum, 1 mod go through the underground, 1 mod go throught the septigon and so on and on and clean up the whole forum and take original threads and sticky them and put them on a page as stickys and link that page of stickys to the new thread button and delete the reposts. The only forums that dont need to be cleaned or touched are the voting booth and the news.
I like my idea a little better and it's easier than linking it to the search feature cause they would probabley skip the search and go for the new topic button instead :(.

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  • 09.10.2006 12:08 PM PDT
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Requiring people to search or read the stickies won't help, because eventually people will figure out what's required of them, and they'll just skip through the process.

Of course the feature isn't working like we hoped it would. It was only a fool's hope that it would stop all (or at least a clear majority) of the repeat topics. Giving members more opportunity to find out if the thread they are creating is a repeat topic probably won't help as much was we want. That new topic button is so shiny, and their news/angry protest is oh so important.

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Well when it came out I said that people have no excuse for creating tons of repeat threads and now the mods can lock the threads without feeling bad. Of course that didn't happen look at the Halo 3 forum. Oh well at least the search feature was fun for a day or two to look at old threads. Along with deleting repeat topics I still think locking the H3 forum to new threads is a good idea. If you want to talk about any topic there are 50 identical threads in the forum to talk about it. A new one is not required.

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For some reason, people aren't interested in reading the Stickies. Rather, they're interested in being heard, and what's the best way to do that? Create a thread.

As annoying as it is to see another "Glitch" Thread in New Mombasa, there's nothing that can be done to stop it. Because people will see popular threads, then think "If I duplicate it, then I can be popular too!"

This is why we had that 2 strait weeks of "Rate the User above you" threads. And it was unbearable. But can you blame someone for wanting a lot of replies? Depends. Sometimes the intentions are good, other times it's just an attempt at getting 4233 replies. Such is the ebb and flow of the forums.

Recon- your idea isn't too bad on paper. But could it work in real life? I can't say. Because even if we were linked to the Search Bar, people wouldn't care. For some reason, there's a desire to be heard on this forum. We can't blame people for wanting to get attention, but it is indeed annoying, yes.

So in conlcusion, I don't think there will ever be a way to stop it. I can garauntee that the majority of Threads in Optimatch are about "BRING BACK CLANMATCH" and it gets irritating to see people don't even bother to read the stickies.

Recon's idea is interesting though. Maybe we can come up with something that will curb the spam- because stopping it is impossible. Hmmm....

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Well when it came out I said that people have no excuse for creating tons of repeat threads and now the mods can lock the threads without feeling bad. Of course that didn't happen look at the Halo 3 forum. Oh well at least the search feature was fun for a day or two to look at old threads. Along with deleting repeat topics I still think locking the H3 forum to new threads is a good idea. If you want to talk about any topic there are 50 identical threads in the forum to talk about it. A new one is not required.


I still think that the ninjas can use the search feature as a basis for locking repeat threads.

Oh, and I now have a new signature. :)

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Recon's idea is interesting though. Maybe we can come up with something that will curb the spam- because stopping it is impossible. Hmmm....


It's not necessarily impossible, but probably very close to. The search feature was supposed to curb the spam. As far as I can tell, there's been little, if any, change. [However, in defense for the search feature (and I must admit, I originally said it was a wasted effort), it has helped us solve a few problems.]

We can already tell that stopping the spam is going to be impossible by simply coding things. Curbing it will probably require something drastic. The only thing I can think of would be a test to gain membership and create new topics, which would mean members would need to use the search feature, read the stickies, and the CoC, and the Terms of Use, etc...which sounds like a bit much.

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I would probably be one of those unhappy members. I don't make many topics anyway, but if I did that might get annoying. I don't think the repeat topic threads are much of a problem. I'm used to them I guess, so they would annoy me less than the aforementioned idea. but keep thinking out of the box recon, it never hurts to throw the idea out there.

Maybe if that only happened when new users create their first 5 new topics or something to that affect. I could see that working.
In that particular aspect, you and I are completely different. I have been here for a fair amount of time, and I am more annoyed by repeat topics than I was when I joined. The sheer amount of them is insulting.

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We can already tell that stopping the spam is going to be impossible by simply coding things. Curbing it will probably require something drastic. The only thing I can think of would be a test to gain membership and create new topics, which would mean members would need to use the search feature, read the stickies, and the CoC, and the Terms of Use, etc...which sounds like a bit much.


You know what's funny? That's exactly the kind of thing I was thinking of a few minutes ago. A test on the Stickies and how they work, CoC, ToU, etc.

The problem? There would be way too much work involved with making this kind of thing benefit the community in the long run, as you stated. New members may be turned off by a Test about what to post and where.

This is why I believe that the only way to help out the Community's spam issues is to start with the community members themselves. If we can set good examples, others may follow. Some may not though, and that just comes with the basis of what kind of person you're dealing with- One who's willing to learn, and One who couldn't care less.

Because at the end of the day, those that want to be heard will be heard, even it it's something bad they're trying to say. It's a shame that the Search Feature isn't quite working out as hoped. I guess it was wishful thinking......but there's still so much more that can be done.

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Thats why I tried to say that redirecting the new topic button to the search feature isn't going to help but like I said instead of sending them to the search feature send them strait to a page with stickies on it so they can find the topic. That might help a little more than sending people to the search feature.

  • 09.11.2006 9:06 AM PDT
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Well, something seems to be working here. I havn't seen a "favorite mod" or a "how do I become a mod" thread for awhile. I don't know if this is due to the stickie, or the search feature. It will probably only last until the newest crop of users emerges. I still like the add-on I put into Recon's idea, link the search feature(complusery) when making your first few topics. Lets say, 5. If we can get to them early it might be benificial. It would also help with the in-thread flaming regarding repeat threads.

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Cant the mods like look at every thread and make sticky on it and post it in a thread?

That doesn't sound even remotely feasible...

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Thats why I tried to say that redirecting the new topic button to the search feature isn't going to help but like I said instead of sending them to the search feature send them strait to a page with stickies on it so they can find the topic. That might help a little more than sending people to the search feature.


The problem is that people won't care to look. We can encourage them to look, but we can't force them to, and we can't force them to not press that button.

Not to mention that this is a huge amount of work being put on the moderators. Remember that no one is paying them to moderate. Asking them to do this seems to be asking more than we should of them. Plus they'd have to spend time looking for topics that would probably be better spent moderating.

  • 09.11.2006 3:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: operativeace
There's still repeat threads poping up all over the place. Cant the mods like look at every thread and make sticky on it and post it in a thread?

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