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Subject: Shiska's Locked MLG VS Anit-MLG thread
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Posted by: Achronos
Your point does not rely on the cause for chugsta being banned anyway - so I don't see why you keep bringing it up, unless you are Chugsta masquerading as a different user.

Well, considering Chugsta was last seen here on 9/05/06 and KSI created his account on 9/07/06....
Sigh.

And I thought this was an actual debate. Never mind.

  • 09.18.2006 4:02 PM PDT
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I seriously wouldn't doubt it.

  • 09.18.2006 4:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
How clear is that, bt instead he did a YOU BOTH ARE BEING STUPID, MLG SUCKS, SO NO TALKING ABOUT MLGtype of post, his white text, and mannerism didnt make it look bad, but that was the basic content. Follow my meaning?


I am really sure Shishka said that your or anyone else's idea "sucked." First off that is not his personality, from what very little I know he is a very logical person who does what is needed because it is required of him to keep things in tact. And if he did say that, why cry over spilt milk? Does it make all of the difference if I say: "MLG Sucks" or whether Shishka says it? No, but people tend to think so because he has "power." And you know what, he is entitled to that power.

Edit:

I agree with the different "road paths" idea. But still...you are complaining about a Moderator, someone who enforces rules, being biased. And I see where you are coming from, but the fact is that Shishka didn't judge anyone because of his opinions...he did so because they:

* Flamed
* Were being Morons
* Acting Inappropriately

I could understand if he said: "You're stupid, bant"

But that didn't happen. What happened was that people broke rules, he acted accordingly and then stated his opinion. And his opinion kind of corresponded to the rules. Because he basically said that people were taking it out of context and out of the rule boundary lines. Whether the words he used were suggestive or not is up to the interpreter. Personally if you act like an ass, I am not going to have mercy for you if you get blacklisted and someone tells you quite frankly that you were being an ass and were blacklisted for that reason.



[Edited on 9/18/2006]

  • 09.18.2006 4:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
I say, yes to all of that, but I am saying that they should have their opinion in a policy, or rule. Best way for him to do that thread...

No more MLG/Anti-MLG threads, it is clogging up the forums with a bunch of flaming and nonsense. If you make a MLG/Anti-MLG thread, or participate in a MLG/Anti-MLG discussion you will be blacklisted without warning.

How clear is that, bt instead he did a YOU BOTH ARE BEING STUPID, MLG SUCKS, SO NO TALKING ABOUT MLGtype of post, his white text, and mannerism didnt make it look bad, but that was the basic content. Follow my meaning?

Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?! j/k
In all truth, us moderators already are careful with the things we say, especially us moderators who do not work for Bungie. But some times it's just too easy to forget that we are not 'regular' members (although, in some way we are).
Not only that. But at times it's a necessity to say things such as "shut the hell up", or "stop being an ass". Sometimes it's the only way to get a point across when you need to enforce the rules.

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Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
nope... this isnt chugsta. I wish there was a way I could prove that, but there isnt... sorry. Cant bungie check my IP, and compare it to his?

Doesn't really matter. To your point that we get to a things in a more objective way, as I said that was tried as to MLG/Anti-MLG. And since the reaosns behind any blacklists in that thread were not due to MLG/Anti-MLG/bias/etc, that whole think is moot. Just Another Fan had a good response though.

  • 09.18.2006 4:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
No more MLG/Anti-MLG threads, it is clogging up the forums with a bunch of flaming and nonsense. If you make a MLG/Anti-MLG thread, or participate in a MLG/Anti-MLG discussion you will be blacklisted without warning.


This is all I am going to say on this topic. I love bold, italized, and underlined words.

[Edited on 9/18/2006]

  • 09.18.2006 4:10 PM PDT

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People are biased, and subjective to how they are at a particular moment. One moment a moderator might let something slide because of his or her environment, feelings, etc. Where as another might not be in the "best" mood to deal with certain things, thus the moderator locks it. That is why there are so many moderators for one reason, to help keep others in check. Otherwise this would be a Totalitarian state...

Edit: Did you read the part where he insulted MLG because he didnt like the gametypes ZEE?

My mistake...but still if you are going to become upset about something someone says over the Internet, I don't think it is wise to take everything that you read to heart. Shishka does that sometimes, as JAF suggested about all people, because...well...he can become moody or frustrated like any of the rest of us.

[Edited on 9/18/2006]

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Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
Did you read the part where he insulted MLG because he didnt like the gametypes ZEE? Thats what my issue is, if someone is acting dumb say shut up your acting dumb... dont say shut up your acting dumb, and your favorite gametype sucks.

Again, it just comes off that you are being overly senstive about a passing remark. I mean, again, is that what you are upset about? Two words? "Watered down"? It's not even a big slam. I just don't get why you are so upset about that. You say because he is in a "leadership" role (rolemodel would probably be a better word), but it I just can't see that that had much effect on the population. Seriuosly, over sensitive.

  • 09.18.2006 4:14 PM PDT
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How about this: Shishka changes "watered" to "pared" (not "refned" because that condotes in a positive direction). Would that solve all of your issues?

  • 09.18.2006 4:17 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

If I had evidence that you were, you'd already be banned. The fact that you aren't is proof enough.

Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
nope... this isnt chugsta. I wish there was a way I could prove that, but there isnt... sorry. Cant bungie check my IP, and compare it to his?

  • 09.18.2006 4:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7

WOW... i think my brain is going to explode... WTF MAN WTF... I SAID THAT, NOT SHISKA, I USED THAT AS A SUGGESTION OF WHAT HE SHOULDVE SAID... PLEASE LEAVE NOW BEFORE YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU DID AND FLAME YOURSELF SO HARD YOU SPONTANIOSLY COMBUST...

sorry about the caps but WOW

As I said, overly sensitive....

  • 09.18.2006 4:21 PM PDT
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okay, please don't use caps, it makes your point, which you really have no point, look really bad. Secondly, it says no more MLG/Anti-MLG discussion, which is exactly what this has turned into. I would like to see this locked, and maybe even seeing you on a seven day vacation. Why? Because, first off, you don't reply to your own thread fifty times, flaming and crap throwing. Secondly, because you don't seem to get Achronos's point on this, which is really hard to miss.

  • 09.18.2006 4:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
How clear is that, bt instead he did a YOU BOTH ARE BEING STUPID, MLG SUCKS, SO NO TALKING ABOUT MLGtype of post, his white text, and mannerism didnt make it look bad, but that was the basic content. Follow my meaning?


Your meaning is skewed by the fact that you're ignoring what everyone is trying to tell you, as well as ignoring half of what I said.

I don't see you coming to the aid of the non-MLG players, after I called them immature, tactless forum trolls. Instead, you're twisting the entire thread into some anti-MLG diatribe that's acting as a barrier that prevents MLG players from getting their own playlist.

You're completley, and totally wrong. You're ignoring context and content in an attempt to accuse me of being the reason the MLG doesn't have a playlist. You know nothing about what the forums were like back then, but you assume that I have some unreasonable bias against the group and am preventing them from getting their shot at matchmaking for it.

Not that you're going to listen, but I'm going to reiterate what everyone has already told you:

I have nothing to do with the creation, maintainance, or removal of Matchmaking playlists. I was not the person that made the decision that there wouldn't be an MLG playlist.

The number of accounts in the MLG website's forums don't accurately give the number of MLG players playing matchmaking. Usage stats speak louder than any online petition.

At the time of that thread, the forums were nothing but flamewars. MLG kiddies claiming anyone that didn't play MLG games were too incompetent/new/whatever to be qualified to have an opinion. This sparked non-MLG players into a fury for being called second-class citizens; simply because they didn't subscribe to the point of view that a) you can only play MLG gametypes if you play Halo and b) your humanity is weighed against your skill at a video game. The bickering turned into a constant slinging of fanboi rhetoric, that ultimately didn't matter because neither side was calling the shots.

Achronos told me to throw down the rule that MLG/Anti-MLG discussion was to be banned from the forums. It is because of the reason in the paragraph above. Stop trying to imply that I came in and ended MLG discussion because I dislike MLG. Once again, my personal opinion of gametypes does not influence decisions made for the playlists. No matter what color my forum text is.

"Watered down" is only negative because you choose to interpret it that way. MLG game types strip away all variety and spontaniety away from Halo in an attempt to meet one subgroup's definition of "skill." Whether or not that definition of skill is more correct than any other is purely subjective. The idea that skill is more important than fun (an idea that many people try to bring to these forums) is also just an opinion, one that does not happen to coincide with the opinion of the majority. The problem, and what motivated me to make that post, wasn't the gametypes; it was the fact that the people coming to the forums to preach the gametypes were presenting themselves as the only people of any importance in the fan community. As I have had to remind people before, and will in all likelihood have to remind them of again, that is not true.

Quit ignoring the fact that I admonished both sides of an argument you weren't even around for. Quit ignoring what Achronos and the others are telling you is the actual truth behind the events you've just now noticed and decided to post about. Quit taking me out of context in a desperate attempt to forward an agenda you yourself don't seem to understand.

I would lock this thread, but I'll let Achronos do it as soon as he's tired of watching what everyone's saying bounce off of you.

  • 09.18.2006 4:25 PM PDT

Ach! Was ist los?

My patience is wearing thin.

So Shishka locked and banned. Big deal; that's part of his job. It's part of my job as well, and I won't hesitate to use it if I see any more of this asinine whining before my splitting headache wears off.

MLG / Anti-MLG flamewars are stupid and people to take part in them are going to be banned. You have been warned.

Now get the hell over it and move on.

  • 09.18.2006 4:27 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

No, he issued smackdown to the people the post was directed to. The first set of people were the MLG-style advocates who had invaded our forum at the time (and who still lurk). These people often refer to people who don't like their style of play as noobs, and often profess that they are so skilled that their opinions matter more. Shishka and myself both hate that particular line of reasoning, for similar reasons.

However, it wasn't a biased statement. The reason it wasn't was twofold. First of all, he was commenting on the content of the posts people were posting at the time, not making an indictment of the entire MLG. He even says that right in the post, mentioning how the people he's talking to are not the real "pros". Second, he also tells the opposition to the MLG style players to quiet down, they're not helping and are just as bad as those who do like the MLG style of play.

Context is everything. Without understanding the context that post was made in, you cannot use it as example about bias in official policy.

Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
Did you read the part where he insulted MLG because he didnt like the gametypes ZEE? Thats what my issue is, if someone is acting dumb say shut up your acting dumb... dont say shut up your acting dumb, and your favorite gametype sucks.

  • 09.18.2006 4:28 PM PDT
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(Don't quote really long posts.)

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[Edited on 9/18/2006 by BobBQ]

  • 09.18.2006 4:28 PM PDT
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Okay, if it isn't clear no, I am off to join Sisyphus.

  • 09.18.2006 4:39 PM PDT