- Shishka
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Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
The questions wernt in reforance to the entire thread, it was to the "watered down" comment.
Posting with bias is unprofessional, afterall newscastors have been fired for their bias reaching their job.
I am not a news caster. I do not have to be unbiased. I do not have to pretend that I'm a smiling robot doling out rules on expressionless slips of paper. And, I've already pointed out, the only reason "watered down" is derisive is because you choose to interpret it that way.
What you're trying to imply is that a bias you've chosen to derive from two words is what created the rule prohibiting pro/anti-MLG discussion. To that, I have this to point out:
Posted by: Achronos
Shishka posted that on my instruction - and everything he said in it was true.
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The point, however, is that the reason the post you reference exists is because everybody on this board did not recognize or discuss the real issues at the core of the difference between the two styles of play. They refused to even consider that the real interesting ideas might exist in the grey area I just described for you. Hence, the banning of that topic from the forum. It was too bad, too, because there is a very interesting discussion buried in there. Many people come here to complain about various aspects of the game, but no one ever thinks about why the game is like it is, or what can be done to fix what they see as problems. They just post back and forth about features they demand to be cut because "they suck", rather than thinking of an actual solution.
Posted by: Achronos
You didn't explain yourself other than to say something about bias in rules is bad (which isn't exactly a big new idea), and you're incorrect in your analysis of the gag order on MLG discussion being an example of this. I didn't have an argument other than to point out your lack of context and proper analysis for your topic. You were the one trying to make a point, remember?
Posted by: Achronos
Again - you talk and talk about bias, but you refuse to acknowledge that your basic assumption is flawed: Shishka did not operate in a vacuum. I told him to shut that topic down on all the forums as it was NEVER going to productive to anyone. While he did vent a little in the actual post, he did equally at both sides, which they deserved.
Posted by: Shishka
I have nothing to do with the creation, maintainance, or removal of Matchmaking playlists. I was not the person that made the decision that there wouldn't be an MLG playlist.
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Achronos told me to throw down the rule that MLG/Anti-MLG discussion was to be banned from the forums. It is because of the reason in the paragraph above. Stop trying to imply that I came in and ended MLG discussion because I dislike MLG. Once again, my personal opinion of gametypes does not influence decisions made for the playlists. No matter what color my forum text is.
"Watered down" is only negative because you choose to interpret it that way. MLG game types strip away all variety and spontaniety away from Halo in an attempt to meet one subgroup's definition of "skill." Whether or not that definition of skill is more correct than any other is purely subjective. The idea that skill is more important than fun (an idea that many people try to bring to these forums) is also just an opinion, one that does not happen to coincide with the opinion of the majority. The problem, and what motivated me to make that post, wasn't the gametypes; it was the fact that the people coming to the forums to preach the gametypes were presenting themselves as the only people of any importance in the fan community. As I have had to remind people before, and will in all likelihood have to remind them of again, that is not true.
Posted by: Achronos
5. No, it wouldn't, because those already were the rules. The gag order on that topic was put in place because the rules weren't being followed.
It seems to me that the only person here that hasn't read the thread is you, Seven 7.
So what all did I assume? you are using gamestats as 1 that has been throughly defeated in the above text. I made inferences if there was evidence, but I dont think i made any asumptions
You assumed that, because we have no MLG-specific matchmaking playlist, we cannot have any way of knowing how many people would play one if it were there. The very argument that you put forward there also implies that you assume you know better than we do what playlists would be successful and which wouldn't. Both assumptions you've made (and that's just related to that particular comment, not to the number of things you've said throughout this thread) are incorrect.