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Yep. It doesn't have the wierdish active camo that ati's have...which is true camoflauge, and gives ati users a tremendous advantage. I actually noticed my game performance going down when I upgraded, as people were no longer a boring white standing out on a brown background. People had black, dark green, orange armor, and there were shadows for them to hide in, etc. But practice should fix that.

  • 09.27.2006 3:29 PM PDT
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Yeah, ATI camo may look "cool" and it is the "real-dealio", but I like the clear camo effect somehow. It not only gives me a more "realistic" feel to the game, but it gives me a challenge, some sort of fear getting headshotted by someone I can't see, it's much mroe fun that way for me. xD

And sweet, I can't wait, in 6 weeks I shall have shiny graphics and be able to run CoD2!

  • 09.27.2006 3:40 PM PDT
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Yup, you can get all of that. :)

  • 09.27.2006 3:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: cheesemaster
Yup, you can get all of that. :)


*Screams like a little girl*

AHH!!! OMG, I am so excited, i wish I had a time machine that can fast forward me to 6+ weeks, so I can buy the FX5200 now! AHH!!!

  • 09.27.2006 3:50 PM PDT
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That's the card I currently have. After hours of experimenting with the -timedemo part of the target line using every setting available, even safe mode and fixed function, as well as all of the shader functions, the best framerate average is 24 fps. Don't get this card. It's a total waste at $80. Mine was $100 two years ago, and it wasn't worth it then. I have seen this card for as little as $50. You're getting a very bad deal.

  • 09.27.2006 6:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: JesusCtheSpartan
That's the card I currently have. After hours of experimenting with the -timedemo part of the target line using every setting available, even safe mode and fixed function, as well as all of the shader functions, the best framerate average is 24 fps. Don't get this card. It's a total waste at $80. Mine was $100 two years ago, and it wasn't worth it then. I have seen this card for as little as $50. You're getting a very bad deal.


I get 20-40 FPS in Halo with my Intel 82845G graphics card, with everything on high except decals, shadows, specular, etc. Of course I'm going get alot more, if not the same with my new FX5200.

  • 09.28.2006 4:21 AM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: staticx576
Dude, x1300 for 120 is such a better value than the fx5200 for 80. the fx5200 is pure crap, no getting around it.


Friends don't let friends buy FX series from nVidia. Those are the worst DX9.0 cards ever made, period.

  • 09.28.2006 12:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: staticx576
Dude, x1300 for 120 is such a better value than the fx5200 for 80. the fx5200 is pure crap, no getting around it.


Friends don't let friends buy FX series from nVidia. Those are the worst DX9.0 cards ever made, period.


I understand and aknowledge all your honesty, but can you people stop telling me this card is bad?! I know that already, but it's going to be a great improvement from my Intel 82845G. I know you guys are trying to help, but I have my own free will to buy this card if I want. OK, so it's not as good as the other good cards out there, but I'll go get those "other cards out there" when I upgrade my PC (which will be a couple of years from now). Seriously, stop trying to discourage me from buying something which I know I want.

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  • 09.28.2006 3:47 PM PDT

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*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
Posted by: staticx576
Dude, x1300 for 120 is such a better value than the fx5200 for 80. the fx5200 is pure crap, no getting around it.


Friends don't let friends buy FX series from nVidia. Those are the worst DX9.0 cards ever made, period.


I understand and aknowledge all your honesty, but can you people stop telling me this card is bad?! I know that already, but it's going to be a great improvement from my Intel 82845G. I know you guys are trying to help, but I have my own free will to buy this card if I want. OK, so it's not as good as the other good cards out there, but I'll go get those "other cards out there" when I upgrade my PC (which will be a couple of years from now). Seriously, stop trying to discourage me from buying something which I know I want.


Do I have to type in all caps to get the point through? you do NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT want the card. Not only is it one of the worst PCI cards readily available(I don't want someone coming in here and saying some old card from 1998), you are also paying 80 dollars for the oppurtunity to use the crappiest card. seriously, DO NOT GET IT. I dont know how to make this more clear, the card is a piece of crap and you are getting ripped off big time. Go somewhere and find a 6200 at least if you cant get the x1300. Here is a hint, the 6200 is cheaper than any of the FX series. Are you getting it yet? Yes I am trying to discourage you from buying that crap card, but you will thank me later when you dont buy it.

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Posted by: lpjuunin
Posted by: Frnksnbns
Posted by: staticx576
Dude, x1300 for 120 is such a better value than the fx5200 for 80. the fx5200 is pure crap, no getting around it.


Friends don't let friends buy FX series from nVidia. Those are the worst DX9.0 cards ever made, period.


I understand and aknowledge all your honesty, but can you people stop telling me this card is bad?! I know that already, but it's going to be a great improvement from my Intel 82845G. I know you guys are trying to help, but I have my own free will to buy this card if I want. OK, so it's not as good as the other good cards out there, but I'll go get those "other cards out there" when I upgrade my PC (which will be a couple of years from now). Seriously, stop trying to discourage me from buying something which I know I want.


If you want it, go for it. Just understand that you are going to sacrifice performance for having a better-looking game. The card isn't as bad as some make it out to be(the improvement in looks will make you love Halo PC all over again), but you would be much better off saving up for several more weeks and getting the X1300. A friend of mine has an AGP 1300 and can run everything at full in Halo with no lag. PCI won't be too much slower, so I'm expecting the same performance from mine when I get it.

It is better to have a hen tomorrow than an egg today. At your current rate, it would take you 3-4 more weeks to get the ATI card. It is worth the extra wait. I know you have your heart set on the 5200, but you would be much happier with the 1300. I'm trying to convince you not to make the mistake I did and skimp on the graphics because you want your decals, shadows, armor color and specular NOW, not in a few weeks more. If I had invested a few more weeks of allowance and my poor wages from McDonald's, I would have been much happier and also would have saved money because I wouldn't feel the need to upgrade now.

The choice is up to you, but I believe you currently have picked the wrong option. Make your own decision, but don't let an odd feeling of attraction toward one product get you ripped off like I did. It seems to me that is what is happening to you now.

I'm done trying to change your mind. Ultimately, you make the choice, right or wrong, and if you have thought things through I trust that whichever card you choose in the end is the right one for you.

Posted by: lpjuunin
I get 20-40 FPS in Halo with my Intel 82845G graphics card, with everything on high except decals, shadows, specular, etc. Of course I'm going get alot more, if not the same with my new FX5200.


No, you will actually have worse performance, but will get better graphics as the tradeoff. Try adding -timedemo to the end of the target line for your Halo shortcut. You won't be able to play until you remove it, but you can change some settings and find what works best while still satisfying you visually.

By the way, to get reasonable performance from my 5200 I had to remove specular, shadows, and decals. I also turned everything else down as low as possible: 640x480 resolution, lowest monitor refresh rate, particles on low, textures on low... you get the idea. It still looks much better than integrated because of the color and lighting. This is kind of weird, but using safe mode to disable as much as possible dropped the frame rate 10 fps down to a sad 14 fps average.

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  • 09.28.2006 11:05 PM PDT
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I tried to emphasize this before, but it seemed you wanted the card too much for it to matter. But those people above are correct...FX series just plain sucks. If you know hardware, and have been around it for a while, you known Nvidia was the king. Why is Ati so popular? What generation allowed them to destroy Nividia? The FX series you are looking to buy are so horrible that Nvidia doesn't acknowledge them, and die-hard nvidia fans turned to ATi.

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  • 09.29.2006 6:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pet0sh
I tried to emphasize this before, but it seemed you wanted the card too much for it to matter. But those people above are correct...FX series just plain sucks. If you know hardware, and have been around it for a while, you known Nvidia was the king. Why is Ati so popular? What generation allowed them to destroy Nividia? The FX series you are looking to buy are so horrible that Nvidia doesn't acknowledge them, and die-hard nvidia fans turned to ATi.

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Thanks for the info, out of all the people here, you've been the most supportive at least. =)

Oh and you too JesusCtheSpartan. You weren't like the other people who went around in my thread saying "omgz0rz, that card sucks, u suck to0, lolz0rz". Thanks both of you. =D

Oh and...

EDIT!!!:

OMGHOLYCRAPZORZBBQ!!!!!11 There's a CompUSA store about half a mile from where I live, and it has the FX5500, yes I said it, the FX5500, for only 49.99!!! All right, screw Best Buy and their 80 dollar FX5200. Oh man, FX5500, here I come baby!

Thank you K121Widowmaker, for telling me about CompUSA's FX5500's cheap price. =)

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  • 09.29.2006 3:42 PM PDT
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Congrats :)

  • 09.29.2006 3:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: DivX
Congrats :)


Thanks. =D Hopefully, by a month or so at the maximum, I'll be experiencing the l33t shinyness and CoD2.

  • 09.29.2006 3:56 PM PDT
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5500s suck, I used to have one, but with my new PC I have an integrated 6150 LE.

  • 09.29.2006 4:09 PM PDT
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Did you bother reading the replies before you clicked reply?

Its called being polite.

  • 09.29.2006 4:12 PM PDT
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Well, I'm saying, take it from someone who has used it, and how is it being rude? I have no clue how it is.....

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Posted by: QUIKQOLD
Well, I'm saying, take it from someone who has used it, and how is it being rude? I have no clue how it is.....


1) I have the rights to buy any card I want, through hell or not.

2) First everyone starts complaining that the 5200 sucks and tells me not to get it, now it's starting for a card that is 2-3 times more better than the 5200? Seriously, you guys are acting like I'm a troll or something.

3) READ READ READ. I told you and the others already, I don't have as much money as you guys. Hell, I'm sickly jealous of Demigod by his 1300+ in cash, while I'm still saving up for a 50 dollar card.

Thank you DivX, for telling him firsthand.

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  • 09.29.2006 4:22 PM PDT
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Hey man, I never said you must not get this card, I just said they suck. I did read anyway, so what if everyone says it sucks too? I had the card and I hated it. I'm just saying you'll get about 20-25 FPS if you have 256 MB RAM

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Posted by: QUIKQOLD
Hey man, I never said you must not get this card, I just said they suck. I did read anyway, so what if everyone says it sucks too? I had the card and I hated it. I'm just saying you'll get about 20-25 FPS if you have 256 MB RAM


After I realized I can save a crapload of money buying my card on CompUSA than Best Buy, I might have enough money left over for an extra 256 MB RAM stick after buying my FX5500. So no worries. =P

  • 09.29.2006 6:49 PM PDT
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Well then buy it. You'l probably do better than 30 fPS. Plus, even with 256 RAM I found ways to get 75% of the time over 30, I would've helped you too. But I guess you don't need it. Good luck with it.

  • 09.30.2006 6:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: QUIKQOLD
Well then buy it. You'l probably do better than 30 fPS. Plus, even with 256 RAM I found ways to get 75% of the time over 30, I would've helped you too. But I guess you don't need it. Good luck with it.


Sure, I'd definitely appreicate all your help, because I don't think 30 extra dollars will buy me a 256 stick just yet.

  • 09.30.2006 4:37 PM PDT

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