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1. The name is the name. If you don't like it, post about it in the forums for the game itself at www.halowars.com
2. You are guessing. People said the same thing about a FPS on the console. Just because you can't think of a way to make it work, doesn't mean it can't be done. Stop being closed minded.
3. You are not the arbiter of what is and isn't canon - the halo bible exists for reasons such as this.

If you ask me, nobody should be asking you for your opinion on something for which you've seen only a pre-rendered trailer for. If you want to make further claims without support evidence, go to the forums for the game itself... I'm sure that you'll find people who are already making assumptions. Of course, they'll be thinking about the possibilities, not trying to tear it down because it doesn't fit into their idea of Halo.

Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
I think I can put a cap on this entire "Halo Wars" discussion...
* "Halo Wars" is a crappy name for a game...it's far too general, even more general than just plain "Halo"...the name of a game can be important in some situations, and "Halo Wars" needs a completely different name...it will affect sales...

* An RTS will not be extremely successful on a console...can you imagine playing Myth on an Xbox? No. Why? The mouse is required to keep a close watch on all your troops, and to command specific amounts of them too...you can't do this kind of thing with an Xbox Controller...

* It is not official canon to the Halo storyline...think about it...an entirely different group of people is developing the damn thing, how can another company's influences alter Bungie's universe?
Another reason it isn't canon: it takes place before Halo 1, yet one member reported seeing an elite dual-wielding energy swords...and not to mention, the elites can turn off active camo at will, whereas the Halo 1 elites cannot...don't even get me started on the prescence of the battle rifle...

The developers of the game are not making it tie in with the rest of the storyline...they're also putting it on the wrong platform, and gave it a bland title...so if you ask me, the game will be subpar at best...

  • 09.27.2006 6:11 PM PDT
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Here is how i see it, yes im a huge fan of bungie and yes i am a halo baby. I havn't played all of the older games, but i am in the process. But anyway...

I agree and dont agree with the entire halogen shutdown. On the one hand to quote the movie Be cool "Its not the money, its the principle" Meaning that microsoft and bungie do not have to worry about money whatsoever, what they were getting at with the shutdown i belive was the principle. One company today, another and another and another the next day and it gets out of hand so much that you cant stop them all. But that is just what i see out of the entire situation.

Now about halo wars (work on the name maybe). I loved the trailer, yes i know it is pre-rendered but i dont are, it looked amazing either way. I cant wait to play this game, im a huge rts fan and huge halo fan and when you bring them together its amazing.

As far as the peter jackson game in the future goes i am extremely excited to see what comes of that. I cant help but wonder what the ole boy has in store and in his head. The halo movie i have no worries will be just fine, its in good hands and i cant decide one way or either with the little info we have.

  • 09.27.2006 6:14 PM PDT

The Halo-franchise is getting old for me now. I'm moving onto something new. It's things like this that makes me want to yell out "SELL OUT". And don't tell me that I don't know the half of it. I don't care about that.

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I have to throw my opinion into this. When I first saw the trailer for Halo Wars I liked the idea. I wanted a Halo RTS for a while. Then I started to doubt if it would be good or not because Bungie wasn't making it. I have confidence in Bungie, though. If they approve these ideas then they will be good. If this way any other company I would have to say that spreading a franchise like this is a bad idea, but I think Bungie knows what they are doing. The only thing we can do as fans is wait for information, voice our opinions in a responsible manner, and try the games when they come out.

  • 09.27.2006 6:24 PM PDT

For the Peter Jackson halo game, it won't be "Peter Jackson's HALO" will it?

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Posted by: Achronos
1. The name is the name. If you don't like it, post about it in the forums for the game itself at www.halowars.com
Or I could post about it here, since I'm already a member of this site, and this is a halowars thread which has been responded to by a Bungie employee...the fact of the matter is, you can't expect to receive 100% "I'm with you all the way" responses...and it just so happens that I'm not the only one disappointed with the title; it is far too general. I'm not complaining about it just for the hell of it; what I'm saying is, there's nothing about the title that separates it from the rest of the game titles, even though the game itself is being developed by a completely different company...there have been "halo wars" in the first two games, so why should this one have that title? Games practically need catchy titles if they switch genres halfway through the series...giving it a general name makes it seem like a stagnant franchise, like there's been a lack of creativity, despite however much creativity is in the actual gameplay...


2. You are guessing. People said the same thing about a FPS on the console. Just because you can't think of a way to make it work, doesn't mean it can't be done. Stop being closed minded.Making educated guesses? Yes. Close-minded? No. Far from it. I fail to see how thinking an RTS (which is a genre that practically LIVES off of the mouse) would do better on a PC than a console is "close-minded"...I'm merely saying that the game would control better on a PC, because, as I said about Myth, it could be a great game but only if the controls fit it...the mouse is great because you can choose 2 totally different units on opposite ends of the computer screen and give them unique commands...the only way to get this done on the 360 would be to give the control stick an insane amount of sensitivity, but even then, the mouse still has more control, because with the mouse, you can control how fast the icon would go across the screen...it's extremely difficult to play an RTS on a console in this manner...perhaps I'm wrong, but I can't help it if my predictions aren't 100% correct, because I'm not in charge of the news flow on the main page...


3. You are not the arbiter of what is and isn't canon - the halo bible exists for reasons such as this.Or you could have seen my comment as a compliment--me saying that Halo Wars is not canon, could be looked at as a compliment saying "only the stuff that Bungie does is canon to the story"...if you are saying that Ensemble Studios is in control of a portion of the Halo Universe, then so be it...
Besides, I have already shown how Halo Wars cannot be completely canon...look at the reasons I have provided...and to add to them, why are the spartans wearing Halo 2-esque armor if the game takes place before Halo 1?


If you ask me, nobody should be asking you for your opinion on something for which you've seen only a pre-rendered trailer for....And if that were the case, which it isn't, then you would have locked every single thread pertaining to Halo Wars. Threads are here to give our opinions...for the record, no one asks us for them, we give them to you anyway...


If you want to make further claims without support evidence, go to the forums for the game itself...I've added plenty of evidence, but none of it appeared in your post...

I'm sure that you'll find people who are already making assumptions. Of course, they'll be thinking about the possibilities, not trying to tear it down because it doesn't fit into their idea of Halo. Don't accuse me of tearing something down...if Bungie operates solely on positive feedback, then you'd be a horribly stagnant company...I'm offering criticism, and despite being called close-minded, my criticisms still remain legitimate...

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Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
Once again, people are passing judgement with no input. It is just about as bad as people in the Halo 3 forum saying they have figured out Halo 3's ending from 2 minutes of trailer.

Just give it a chance, I know I will.


Edit: Vitamin
I think I can put a cap on this entire "Halo Wars" discussion...

"Halo Wars" is a crappy name for a game...it's far too general, even more general than just plain "Halo"...the name of a game can be important in some situations, and "Halo Wars" needs a completely different name...it will affect sales...


An RTS will not be extremely successful on a console...can you imagine playing Myth on an Xbox? No. Why? The mouse is required to keep a close watch on all your troops, and to command specific amounts of them too...you can't do this kind of thing with an Xbox Controller...


It is not official canon to the Halo storyline...think about it...an entirely different group of people is developing the damn thing, how can another company's influences alter Bungie's universe?
Another reason it isn't canon: it takes place before Halo 1, yet one member reported seeing an elite dual-wielding energy swords...and not to mention, the elites can turn off active camo at will, whereas the Halo 1 elites cannot...don't even get me started on the prescence of the battle rifle...

The developers of the game are not making it tie in with the rest of the storyline...they're also putting it on the wrong platform, and gave it a bland title...so if you ask me, the game will be subpar at best...


Vitamin, you are completely wrong.
*Tee-hee* You know, the funny thing is...I'm not.


Halo Wars might sound like a crappy name, until you start to think outside of the box that is your monitor. It pretty much says "Hey, this is the start of Halo and the war that ensues!"I said it was a bland name, and simply put--it IS a bland name. Plain "Halo" is not because it was the first game. But "Halo Wars," after hearing the names of "Halo, Halo 2, and Halo 3?" That's pretty damn bland...Halo Wars would be a good beta name...

Secondly, the RTS to the console idea is new...so I am waiting to see where this goes. *at least in my knowledge it is new*That does not discredit a single thing that I've said about the use of the mouse...

Lastly, The Halo Wars has been officially approved by Bungie. Bungie is working with them to make sure that the fiction is correct and that everything fits the Halo-verse peachy dandy.You ignored the proof that I used which explained why a Halo game being developed by a company OTHER THAN THE SERIES' CREATOR cannot be completely canon...

  • 09.27.2006 6:41 PM PDT
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I'm not going to be a jerk about this.

I'm fearful that Bungie is going to "whore out" (for lack of a better phrase) the Halo franchise. Or, more likely, Microsoft is going to make Bungie keep dragging the games on and on, because they own Bungie.

I'm gun-ho for a Halo RTS, I'm sure it's going to be something great, but only and only if Bungie is very closely involved with Ensemble's production. I'm not talking about Bungie collaborating with Ensemble and collectively working on Halo Wars, leave HW to Ensemble and Bungie can keep making Halo 3. However, the storyline is just as important (more important, in my opinion) as the gameplay. Sure, the game can be the most uber-fun game ever, but the true hardcore Halo fans (myself and many others) will surely be dissapointed if the story is absolutely nothing like the official Halo canon is. I'm already beginning to see some deviations (Battle Rifle in what's supposed to be a pre-Halo: Combat Evolved timeline, modern SPARTANs before their time, ect.) and I'm willing to tolerate this. But, if the arbiter and gravemind show up, I'll be very dissapointed simply because the story isn't right.

But, that's just me. I have confidence in Bungie and Ensemble that they know exactly what they're doing. I just hope I'm right in that confidence.

As for Halogen, I, too find it slightly conspicuous that Halogen was shut down after three years of work, just months before the announcement of Halo Wars, an official Halo RTS. My personal theory? Microsoft either allowed Halogen to start in the first place to gauge the community hype for a Halo RTS, or they started on the Halo RTS after Halogen began, and they killed it so it wouldn't take hype away from their game. But, once again, that's just me.

  • 09.27.2006 6:55 PM PDT
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Well, as far as Halo Wars and the peter jackson project, I think I'm just going to wait and see. I'm actually kind of excited about the RTS, I hope it works out well, because I think it could be enjoyable.

The rest of my post doesn't really have anything to do with the new games, but with other things brought up in the first post.

I understand that the Bungie employees have work to do, and I would rather they do that work instead of post here just to make us happy. However... it does bother me slightly that when the employees do post, they seem to do it elsewhere. As far as posting for pleasure, I don't really care what they prefer, that's their call. But when it comes to official business, it would be nice to see some interaction. For instance, when the Halogen controversy erupted, there were threads here on B.net dedicated to it. But the only official words we could get on the matter were quotes that were brought over from HBO. (There were other comments in later days, I think, but nothing at the time.) While I know that sketch is busy, it would have been nice, in my opinion to see something. Even if it was just a copy and paste from his HBO post. I know that in the end that's exactly what we got, but... I guess it would be good to know that this community still matters. Ugh... that sounds more dramatic than I'd like, but I can't come up with another way to say it.


Another thing that was mentioned that I'd like to bring up is the whole "It isn't official until it's from Bungie" statement. Lately, the only movie information we can get comes from magazine interviews. If I remember correctly, Frankie (or was it KP?) posted a link to one of those articles. Also, rumors were apparently going around about a Halo RTS, before the official Bungie mention. While leaks are to be expected, it just seems to be becoming more of the norm now. Maybe that's just me. But I know that when someone posts "news" about something related to Bungie, I don't just dismiss it offhand anymore. Because for all I know, there is a fair chance it will be on the front page some time in the future.

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I'll still say I'm pissed. After what happened to the folks doing Halogen, I really don't feel Ensemble or Microsoft deserves a dime of my money. If they'd have let Halogen continue, I guarantee more people would have bought "Halo Wars" as it is now, I think they shot themselves in the foot with that. Of course, I could be entirely wrong, considering the idiotic kids with disposable income that buy anything these days with no sense of decency. I doubt the storyline would clash, and I know the gameplay would be different, so why not let them both exist...

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Mhm. All I can say is I've been around the Halo universe for nearly as long as it's benn around (Thats a "nearly", that is) and I've seen the ammount of interaction and courses Bungie has taken, the time and work they put into the Halo universe, and I the decisions they take the ultimately lead to an expansion to Halo, while some people may have seen it as a "Meh" game, I saw it for it's linear storyline and playability. Therefore, I can only have brightest outlook on the future, and can only hope that Bungie's decisions are wise.

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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
I think I can put a cap on this entire "Halo Wars" discussion...
* "Halo Wars" is a crappy name for a game...it's far too general, even more general than just plain "Halo"...the name of a game can be important in some situations, and "Halo Wars" needs a completely different name...it will affect sales...

* An RTS will not be extremely successful on a console...can you imagine playing Myth on an Xbox? No. Why? The mouse is required to keep a close watch on all your troops, and to command specific amounts of them too...you can't do this kind of thing with an Xbox Controller...

* It is not official canon to the Halo storyline...think about it...an entirely different group of people is developing the damn thing, how can another company's influences alter Bungie's universe?
Another reason it isn't canon: it takes place before Halo 1, yet one member reported seeing an elite dual-wielding energy swords...and not to mention, the elites can turn off active camo at will, whereas the Halo 1 elites cannot...don't even get me started on the prescence of the battle rifle...

The developers of the game are not making it tie in with the rest of the storyline...they're also putting it on the wrong platform, and gave it a bland title...so if you ask me, the game will be subpar at best...


I'm going to analyze this for myself. Tell me how accurate I am. Also, when the Overlord of a site tells you not to talk about something on his site, that should be a pretty good hint that telling him he's wrong is a bad idea. Not because it will get you banned, but because it is incredibly rude.

Now on to ripping into Vita... I mean analyzing his post.

I agree with you on the name, but I haven't had time for it to grow on me, so I can't say for certain yet. I'd like it to be more catchy, but that's a discussion for another website.

Who are you to say that it can't be done well? Honestly, who are you to say something like that to a company that has done this for a living for about a decade? You're qualified to tell them what will and won't work in a control layout in a game? Leave that t the professionals and stop talking out of your ass. Also, if I remember correctly, you can use a keyboard and mouse on your Xbox 360 if you feel the need to.

Now about the canon. Can you honestly tell Bungie what is or is not following the Halo storyline? Ok, let me put it this way. I want you to recite the entire Halo storyline, beginning to end, right now. You can't, can you? So how can you say Ensemble will get it wrong? You don't even know what's right! I'm sure Bungie will be careful about this. They wouldn't "outsource" a game and then just let it be. I'm pretty confident that Bungie will check and recheck every aspect of the game to make sure it's grade A. Now onto these details; Ouch. You shot your own foot on this one. First off, there is no dual weilding swords. I've watched it. How do you know that elites can't turn off active camo at will in Halo 1? Have you ever played in a level where an elite would have it off? No, they're always patrolling halways in which case they would keep the camo on anyway. The presence of the battle rifle? Eas. The Pillar of Autumn did not stock Battle Rifles. They weren't some new invention, they were just not in the Chiefs arsenal in Halo Combat Evolved. Does that mean they did not exist in the Halo Universe? Not at all.

And you have no idea what the game will turn out like. You've made completely inaccurate and baseless assumptions, and proved nothing except you can make a fool out of yourself.

  • 09.27.2006 7:13 PM PDT

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How about a little bit of positivity about a project we know very little about yet, hunh? The whining gets old, really; not just here, by the way, as evidenced by the producer's podcast / commentary tracks in the Battlestar Galactica Season 2.5 DVD set. (Ron Moore felt he had to get a little firm in them with the worst offenders in the BSG forums to put out the flames... that dressing-down is now immortalised on film for their eternal shame.)

As to fan projects, well, they do exist on sufference. I know this very well; I went into mine (not as extensive as Halogen, admittedly, but more extensive than the usual) knowing that any minute could see the whole thing shut down. Fortunately I didn't end up stepping on anybody's toes, though in retrospect it looks like I came mightily close, and so I managed to wrap it up. Even now, two and a half years later, it's not yet "safe"; Bungie, MGS, or Microsoft Legal could ask for it to be pulled down at any time. It goes with the territory.

I'd have been disappointed if it'd been killed off before completion too; but I'd like to think that I'd take it with a touch more grace than is being shown here in this forum. Certainly I'd skip the wild conspiracy theories about soul-devouring lawyers lurking in the shadows.

-- Steve's not asking everybody to like the new projects or to say only praise to the Bungie Masters... just that folks judge by the events instead of before them, and that they use the "preview" button to try to catch any unintended nastinesses lurking in posts.

  • 09.27.2006 7:36 PM PDT

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I just don't understand why there can't just be 3 games (Halo 1,2, & 3) and the novels. And why on Earth would Bungie agree to let Peter Jackson make what is esentially going to be an interactive DVD?

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I swear I'm the most un-Halo community guy here. What did Halogen do, exactly? I got deinvolved with the Halo community about the time that Halo 2 came out. Before that I knew everything about every Halo site. Ever.

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I just don't understand why there can't just be 3 games (Halo 1,2, & 3) and the novels. And why on Earth would Bungie agree to let Peter Jackson make what is esentially going to be an interactive DVD?


1. Profit
2. There is a demand for Halo products. Star Wars is a massive universe that branched out in various directions. Why can't Halo?
3. Halo was originally planned to be an RTS and Bungie has a history of making RTS.
4. Peter Jackson has a good track record and he pays attention to detail.
5. This is all a smokescreen for Pimps at Sea. It is the true next project.

  • 09.27.2006 7:49 PM PDT

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You guys are being over-dramatic. You all asked for a game that took place before Halo 1 and now you have one. I'm sure the guys who are working with Halo Wars will do a fine job, otherwise Bungie wouldn't have gave them permission to make the game in the first place.

I'm not a fan of RTS games, but then again I've never played a "good" or "popular" one. I'm not that excited over Halo Wars like I did when Halo 3 was announced simply because It's not my style of game. Which should be the factor for all of you as well, if you don't like the fact that it's an RTS... DON'T PLAY IT. It's a simple concept. And it's not the worst thing in the world considering Halo STARTED OFF as an RTS in the first place.

Moving on, I'm sure as hell going to buy Halo Wars despite it's -blam!- name and the fact that it's an RTS. Why? Because it's Halo!

  • 09.27.2006 7:57 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Recon, I think the problem people have with it is that it's part of the Halo universe, yet they don't like that it's done by another company, or the Chief isn't there, or whatever, but they'll either grudgingly buy it, or grudgingly ignore it. They feel like they're missing out on something.

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Posted by: MCs Brother
I just don't understand why there can't just be 3 games (Halo 1,2, & 3) and the novels. And why on Earth would Bungie agree to let Peter Jackson make what is esentially going to be an interactive DVD?


1. Profit
2. There is a demand for Halo products. Star Wars is a massive universe that branched out in various directions. Why can't Halo?
3. Halo was originally planned to be an RTS and Bungie has a history of making RTS.
4. Peter Jackson has a good track record and he pays attention to detail.

1. I understand the need for Bungie to make more money. But would you rather make money by having your IP made into 20 mediocre spin-offs or kept within 3 incredible core games? A Halo game will sell plenty, just by name alone. So wouldn't you rather make that money with good games?

2. Sure, it's branched out. But in the process, there have been some pretty horrible Star Wars products/films/games/books. Any franchise that stretches itself too thin will have it's core mythology diluted. Proven by almost every major Sci-Fi franchise.

3. That's irrelevant because Bungie isn't developing Halo Wars. They're advising on the fiction and backstory. Age of Empires was good, but it wasn't ground-breaking. Bungie (used to be) all about ground-breaking.

4. A good track record in movies, yes. That's why I'm not very concerned with the quality of the Halo Movie. But his games, like King Kong? No way. Yes, it may have been recieved well, but it was a fairly standard game. It just isn't the same caliber as Halo.

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  • 09.27.2006 8:00 PM PDT

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Recon, I think the problem people have with it is that it's part of the Halo universe, yet they don't like that it's done by another company, or the Chief isn't there, or whatever, but they'll either grudgingly buy it, or grudgingly ignore it. They feel like they're missing out on something.

I understand completely and in some ways I can identify with that. I remember (old guys can) when Star Trek: The Next Generation was in production. Many, MANY fans were very worried, skeptical, cautious, optimistic, threatened, threatening, (and so on) over what this "new crap" was going to be.

It got to be less and less of a concern with Deep Space Nine, Voyager and lastly Enterprise. That is what a franchise is to storytellers. A canvas to tell not just one story, but other ones as well.

How well it is done is up to the storytellers, how well it is received is up to the audience. The important thing (IMO)? Realizing who is the storyteller, who the audience is, and remembering that each has their specific role to play.

But I do understand the emotions. I just recognize them as old and familiar territory.


Agreed in every way shape and form.

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Recon, I think the problem people have with it is that it's part of the Halo universe, yet they don't like that it's done by another company, or the Chief isn't there, or whatever, but they'll either grudgingly buy it, or grudgingly ignore it. They feel like they're missing out on something.

I understand completely and in some ways I can identify with that. I remember (old guys can) when Star Trek: The Next Generation was in production. Many, MANY fans were very worried, skeptical, cautious, optimistic, threatened, threatening, (and so on) over what this "new crap" was going to be.

It got to be less and less of a concern with Deep Space Nine, Voyager and lastly Enterprise. That is what a franchise is to storytellers. A canvas to tell not just one story, but other ones as well.

How well it is done is up to the storytellers, how well it is received is up to the audience. The important thing (IMO)? Realizing who is the storyteller, who the audience is, and remembering that each has their specific role to play.

But I do understand the emotions. I just recognize them as old and familiar territory.


Agreed in every way shape and form.


Ok, The Next Generation was told by Gene Roddenberry until he passed away and Deep Space Nine was an original idea by him which I think he would've been proud of. Both of which gained and earned Star Trek fans' trust and love. Voyager and Enterprise however probably strayed too far from Roddenberry's vision, most fans were pissed... make a long story short these two spin-offs wern't Roddenberry's original vision, some fans liked it, while other fans argued in vain and some even walked away from the whole thing altogether.

Back to Bungie, I think as long as outside projects like Halo Wars and the movie are approved by Bungie and it has their "creative integrity" meaning it will satisfy true fans of the franchise thus earning the right for others to use Halo in different forms then all will be ok.

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There is no way that Bungie has sold out in this situation. What has Bungie done? They've given the people what they want. And by "the people", I mean the majority of gamers. Most gamers want there to be more Halo games. As many people as there are that come on here and say that they should leave it at three games and stop milking the franchise etc., they are in the minority. The people in the Halo 3 forum going "OMG THERE SHOULD BE TRIPLE WIELDING IN HALO 3" are the majority (not that every person who posts there or wants more Halo games is like that, but you get the idea), and those complaining are a small minority. Bungie has given the people what they want. As many old school fans that are out there wishing for a Marathon remake or Phoenix to be made by Bungie, they do not have much say in Bungie's direction anymore, and probably won't again, at least for a very long time. And they won't care who makes the game either, if it has Microsoft on it and an authentic Halo Logo on it with all rights reserved, then people will buy it, regardless if Bungie makes it or not.

Bungie should make nothing but Halo games forever.

Now most of you would protest in outrage if that's what Bungie did, and many on this site would say that Bungie should not do this. But I would be willing to bet a large sum of money that a fairly large amount of people would want this to happen, more than you would probably think. Hell, I wouldn't mind. Look at Final Fantasy, even though some people think that this series is old and stretched thin or whatever, Square-Enix has been damn successful by pretty much specializing in one game franchise. I don't think Bungie will do that, but don't think that just because you think that's an outrageous idea that there aren't a lot of people that would want that.

[Edited on 9/27/2006]

  • 09.27.2006 8:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I was simply drawing a parallel between now (for Halo fans) and that one point in time (prior to TNG) for Trek fans. Similar worries and similar reactions. After all, "the precious" is at risk.

What happened later was only mentioned to show that time moved on and yes, different stories told by different people made their way across the stage. I don't think that anyone would have wanted 3 more years of TNG, it's time was through.

There's no attempt at a full parallel, just a comparison of loving fans who are wondering what is going to happen. The future for the Halo story is (apparently) stretching out before us. Us as the audience and Bungie (and others) as the story tellers.

We shall see what drama unfolds.


Indeed. Well said, I couldn't agree more.

  • 09.27.2006 8:54 PM PDT