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Subject: Should gamers have a larger say in what is done to MM?

The problem I have with your proposed suggestion is, the benefits are not worth the cost.

Firstly, a significant amount of work would have to be done to ensure the polls could not be exploited by people who use multiple accounts or perform various types of attacks on them.

Beyond that, you can't say it would be their fault for not voting. Honestly, if someone is happy with something they are not likely to come to the forums and fight for it because they already have it and probably aren't even aware that it's being debated. Adding UI or messages to the game on Xbox Live for something like this isn't a realistic suggestion. As I said, the benefits are not worth the cost, in terms of development resources.

You want to be able to vote and have your vote count, however you still suggest that I get the final decision if there are any problems with the change... that's really no different than what we do now. Using the scenario you're suggesting, what would happen if I rejected an idea in opposition to the majority of votes? Would you want to vote on whether or not I was right? It just doesn't make very much sense to spend resources to develop a system when it still functions the same way as before, with the added bonus of... what? Projecting the illusion that your vote counts for more than it did before?

When all is said and done, we make decisions based on what we think is in the best interest of the matchmaking population. That's not going to change.

  • 09.28.2006 2:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
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you don't work for bungie and neither does everyone else, it's their game, not yours

See, this is the ignorance that I hate...


Same...Amen

As far as your original post.. I 100% agree..we should have more of a say to what happens to matchmaking. Yes, Bungie did create the game, however its the consumer that puts the money in bungie/microsoft's pocket. I believe the fans should at least have 25% - 35% say in what happens to matchmaking instead of the 2% we currently have. Power to the people.

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  • 09.28.2006 2:22 PM PDT

Halo 1>Halo 2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Halo 3

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absoulutley. We should definantly have a larger say in what should be done with matchmaking because were the paying customer. By not listening to us bungie is pretty much saying, "nah, we dont like customers or their money. We do what we want with our merchendise that people buy." How can our say be heard, by the forums. I know its a small percentage of the whole XBL community, but the ones who do all this crap with the forums are the dedicated bungie gamers. If the others who dont respond to the forums want say in what should be done, then they have only one option; respond to the forum. I honestly dont see why this would be a problem for them. Bungie has squeezed all the profits from halo 2. I can understand why they would be worried with halo 3, but halo 2 is done. Its time we got what we want.

  • 09.28.2006 2:29 PM PDT

Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
I really hate to go to politics, but this is the exact same logic is why we as a nation have extremly low voter turnout. The logic implied is faulty, and quite frankly I expected a lil more from N0F

This isn't politics, there's no need to make comparisons of that type. The logic is not faulty, it's practical and it's the reality of this scenario.

Prehaps you are missing the point, you say you listen to what people want right? Now, if this is obviously what people want, then why would you override them?
When you say "what people want" are you referring to a majority in a voting scenario? If so, then I could have several good reasons to override them... but most of them go back to the issue of whether or not it is appropriate to allow a minority to control things that a majority must endure. I have no doubt that you have a political comparison you could apply to this, but as I said this isn't politics.

You brought up the fact that I am a minority compared to the matchmaking population, which is entirely accurate. However, I am qualified for the job I do and am fully accountable for any mistakes I make... anonymous voters can be qualified to make decisions but hold zero accountability.

The answer is if somthing like a game that failed in the test phases(example the banshee on team rifles).
Or the answer could be, a group that is active in the polls decide they want a change that would adversely effect the rest of the population.

I would hope that if the masses decided they wanted somthing that you didnt, you would be the moral individual that you say you are, and let them have it. The senario you just said is dependent on you not listening to the community, so do you do that or do you not?
First of all, the decisions that I make have nothing to do with what I want... if that were how I operated it would be evident because contrary to what some people may believe, my preferences for gametypes fall mostly into a minority.

Listening to the community and doing what they say are two entirely different things.

N0F questioned my motives, so now I think I can question his. Are you worried about MM not needing you to make decisions, or are you worried about losing the power?
I'm not worried about either of those. If I were a power hungry dictator, I wouldn't really care about the communities input, yet here I am every day and night at all hours interacting and gathering feedback for use in ongoing playlist development. Questioning my motives is a dead-end.

Now, the last thing, price...N0F, im not going to say anything, because I dont know what the exact numbers would be, but here is a good question, since you know so much, how much do YOU think it would cost?
In development resources? Far more than it's worth, I already said that. Providing you with figures won't help, because regardless of what they are you will simply debate that it's a drop in the bucket. I can honestly tell you, even if I were to support your suggestion, it's nowhere in the realm of my decision anyways... I'm just attempting to give you the answer that would be given to me if I were to ask the same question, instead of completely ignoring you. I would hope that you could at least appreciate that.

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  • 09.28.2006 11:59 PM PDT

Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
Now, if you are talking about an in game function over Live for Halo 3, I would be all for it. The system is already in place to limit votes there, and it would be readily accessible even for casual gamers each time they played. The results of something like that would be much more indicative of the community as a whole.
This is a good idea as well, and I am thinking about expanding on this and putting it in the H3 forums

Honestly, if a built in voting booth or something of that nature is something you want to suggest for Halo 3 you should focus your efforts there. It's not impossible to devote development resources to Halo 2, but for something of this nature it's certainly not a probability.

In fact, considering your suggestion involves web development, this isn't even really an issue for the Optimatch forum. Community and website issues/suggestions belong in the Septagon, so that's where this is headed.

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  • 09.29.2006 12:18 AM PDT
Subject: Should gamers have a larger say in what is done to MM?
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  • 09.27.2006 4:55 PM PDT

Posted by: KSI SEVEN 7
I could attempt to debate that this is a optimatch discussion, because it is a discussion on how decisions would be made in optimatch, but I know that its no use, and that the decision has been made, so ill let this one go, I just wish this could be in a more active area is all.

Optimatch is for specific playlist discussion. Your suggestion isn't a playlist suggestion or playlist feedback, it's related to the community and website.

Your desire for your thread to be in a high traffic area does not qualify it to be. The Septagon is the correct forum for you to express your concerns regarding this matter.

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  • 09.29.2006 9:27 AM PDT
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OMG! ITS NINJA ON FIRE!
i think we should have a larger say in what we want in mm.

  • 09.29.2006 9:41 AM PDT

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I personally don't beleive that your estimate of a 60% user turnout is incorrect. Until Bunige positively knows that it will have a majority of the voters show up to the site to vote, they shouldn't implement this idea, because it may turn out that only a small percentage of people will vote, thereby not giving them a good view of what the community wants. If, more than 60% of the community votes on this website in these polls on a regular basis, then it might be worth it.

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gamers can't be trusted after rumble hardcore.

  • 09.29.2006 1:38 PM PDT

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Short but sweet, people are stupid. They would vote for playlists just for the hell of it. A lot of people would look at a gametype, think its stupid, and vote for it because "it would be funny if it won". This would, as Recon said, create a lot of unwanted gametypes that people just wouldn't play.

  • 09.29.2006 2:25 PM PDT