Bungie.net Community
This topic has moved here: Subject: My 1am rant
  • Subject: My 1am rant
Subject: My 1am rant
  •  | 
  • Exalted Mythic Member

News? Podcasts? Machinima? Active forums? Competitions? Jaffa Cakes!? OMG!
Thee Warriors!

Best. Mod. Ever.

Move this wherever you feel. It falls under multiple forums. Sometimes none.

Mind the typos, it's late.

For a long time I have seen people disagreeing on forums. Around the world. Not sensible adult disagreements, but outright colossal right/wrong wars.
"Halo should so NOT be an RTS game, it's not right!"
"Yes it should! It's perfect!"
I think that there is one word in this world that is gradually being pushed over the edge of the cliffs of doom: Opinion.
Halo and Gears of war. Battle of the titans. Which game will be better?
Answer: Neither. It is all about personal tastes, personal feelings and personal experiences. There is not right or wrong. How can one judge? Who can?

I feel the world is too competitive. People become arrogant and aggressive when their beliefs are challenged. Know they not what an opinion is?!
I see too many people holding their views as if G0d himself commissioned them to. And quite frankly; it's ridiculous.
If you have a view, you express it sensibly and accept other people's views. These two examples above are small but are fine examples of what we have become.
In some countries, holding a political or social opinion is illegal. ILLIGAL! People have been shot for simply saying that disagree with their leader. You have a great wonderful gift, so use it wisely.
I see it here, in the Septagon, people saying their view is right and nothing else is. Then arguments spill out and in the end there is no solution. Why? Because you made it that way! You made it right and wrong and when we're not in a moths lesson or doing an exam on comprehension, there is no right or wrong.
Does VII Toast abuse his powers? I don't think so, but you might. It seems that people's own view have infested, the media and world as a whole. Is M$ milking Halo? Maybe so, but perhaps you like these new ventures. Reviews! People live by them! They are reviews, they are not right or wrong. They are opinions.
So next time you feel like putting someone down, or feel like criticizing or countering someone's opinion, do consider this: Your view is just as equal as anyone else's. There is little in the world that can be classed a good or bad, right or wrong, but there are opinions. That is all we have. Use them. Please do! But remember that you are just as right as the person who disagrees with you. We are all equal.
It is my opinion that people do not understand what an opinion is anymore, your opinion may be different. If so, voice that opinion here. It is after all, your opinion.


[Edited on 9/30/2006]

  • 09.30.2006 4:52 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

In my opinion ;), I think you are partially right...
But sometimes, heated arguments help someone understand something about the other person's opinion...

  • 09.30.2006 4:58 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Location: Outlaws' Summit.

Posted by: Ciaran
Is M$ milking Halo?


Too early to tell. We'll see after Halo Wars and Peter Jackon's project.

[Edited on 9/30/2006]

  • 09.30.2006 5:18 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Sure. I still like to say I'm right, though. :)

But arrogance is a natural trait of Humans. Everyone's been arrogant a couple times in their life. Some more than others, and some who are over the internet.

So there's really not much to do.

You're right, though, it's opinion 3/4 of the time. People just need to get that through their thick skulls.

[Edited on 9/30/2006]

  • 09.30.2006 7:49 PM PDT

<3 PMS Clan-Twitter-Personal Site
Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
Cortana 5 is a carbon-based lifeform that frequently visits these forums, currently residing in the United States. Practically every male on the site responds to her posts.

The Joyeuse IP Formula

I agree. People come here to express their opinions, ideas, ect. Not to be flamed and put down. That's called the real world.

  • 09.30.2006 8:11 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Mythic Member
  • gamertag: Mabian
  • user homepage:

"Whatever exists, whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. These anonymous creatures may seem little or nothing in the world. Yet the smallest crumb can devour us. Any smallest thing beneath yon rock out of men's knowing. Only nature can enslave man and only when the existence of each last entity is routed out and made to stand naked before him will he be properly suzerain of the earth."

Well I agree more than everyone else in this thread...even the thread creator.

What I hate is people who support one side or another without giving a good (or in some cases any) reason. I want to see someone's argument from a logical standpoint before I agree with it.

Then we have the members who simply state that their opinion is the truth. No need to expand on this part.

And then there are the people who are willing to admit that there is another side to the argument, but are not willing to see the argument from the other person's perspective. But that one's just me...

  • 09.30.2006 9:53 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Humans are compettive creatures. I argue a lot, and I don't think it's wrong. It's healthy to want to make others think the same as you, as long as you can do it in a civil manner such as a debate. It's just who we are as humans. I don't think it should be something to get upset over.

EDIT: And Mabian, why does that bother you? If people want to support their side without giving it any though, who are you to tell them that's wrong? After all their opinion is just as good as yours, right? :P

[Edited on 10/1/2006]

  • 10.01.2006 2:11 PM PDT

I think it's healthy to argue too, but that's assuming we're all responsible about it. Don't forget that anyone from ages (whatever) to whenever can register. If people don't have the metality to handle themselves then it's always going to turn into a bloody dog fight. It's not about opinion being misinterpreted. It's about people with undeveloped minds that lurk the forums and spread their gibberish.

As for MrJames.

I can see why Mabian would be pissed because people posting opinions and then not backing it up leads to worse things when that "self-opinion" could be about something highly controversial such as "BR vs Pistol" or the "Noob Combo". Remember the undeveloped minds I was talking about? When they get involved, it doesn't become an argument anymore. No, arguments are consisted of opinion and evidence. If everyone would back up their statements then the word "ignorant" gets thrown out the door and for the better. It's a shame that people don't operate like this because some 5 year old kid is thinking of a way to bypass the profanity filter and trying to get the last laugh. Three words

Post and Run

[Edited on 10/1/2006]

  • 10.01.2006 2:29 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Mythic Member
  • gamertag: Mabian
  • user homepage:

"Whatever exists, whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. These anonymous creatures may seem little or nothing in the world. Yet the smallest crumb can devour us. Any smallest thing beneath yon rock out of men's knowing. Only nature can enslave man and only when the existence of each last entity is routed out and made to stand naked before him will he be properly suzerain of the earth."

Posted by: MrJames
EDIT: And Mabian, why does that bother you? If people want to support their side without giving it any though, who are you to tell them that's wrong? After all their opinion is just as good as yours, right? :P


Ah! I never said they were wrong to have the opinion without supporting it in some way (and something I forgot to mention is that "liking" something can sometimes be a valid reason). I said that it bothers me, and it bothers me because it is almost as bad as parading one's opinion around as truth. To simply post an opinion and nothing else does not help an argument. Oh, right, I forgot to add that part too...

It's nothing more than a personal pet peeve, and a very specific one at that. Go ahead and ignore it if you wish.

  • 10.01.2006 2:44 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Heh. My last paragraph was sarcasm. Guess it wasn't very clear. An opinion is only as good as the evidence supporting it, in 9 out of 10 scenarios. Certain cases such as matters of taste are exempt, but for the most part it's perfectly understandable to get annoyed at people saying their opinion is the right one without any evidence. If they want to say they have their opinion and you have yours it's fine, but now I'm just rambling.

My main point is that we should all be able to have an opinion and debate it, and there is nothing wrong with that. I probably stated it poorly, as I have a tendency to do :(

  • 10.01.2006 2:58 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Mythic Member
  • gamertag: Mabian
  • user homepage:

"Whatever exists, whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. These anonymous creatures may seem little or nothing in the world. Yet the smallest crumb can devour us. Any smallest thing beneath yon rock out of men's knowing. Only nature can enslave man and only when the existence of each last entity is routed out and made to stand naked before him will he be properly suzerain of the earth."

Ah, but I stated mine rather poorly as well. So let us just say we had a failure to communicate properly, and leave it at that. My statements were as broad as saying "I hate spammers because they post things we've already seen."

  • 10.01.2006 5:48 PM PDT

LoL @ Mabian and MrJames.

It's cool that you guys can handle it ok, now if only the rest of the community were as open-minded and reserved as you two we'd see a revolution. : )

[Edited on 10/2/2006]

  • 10.01.2006 8:48 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

I totally agree with your point. I am guilty of it myself (being arrogant).

[Edited on 10/1/2006]

  • 10.01.2006 8:50 PM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Posted by: Ciaran
Is M$ milking Halo?


Too early to tell. We'll see after Halo Wars and Peter Jackon's project.


Don't you mean after Halo Wars, Peter Jackson's project, the Halo movie, the novels, the on-going series of comics, the Halo portal for Microsofts mobile portal...is that all? We will have to wait a few more week, maybe a few more projects will be announced

  • 10.02.2006 2:56 AM PDT
  • gamertag:
  • user homepage:
  • last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Mabian
Then we have the members who simply state that their opinion is the truth. No need to expand on this part.


Heheh, I love those guys......

  • 10.02.2006 3:10 AM PDT